and while the song sort of advocates shaitan (o serpent and lion, i invoke thee... oh snake, thou art god, coiled underneath my throne, with thee, i reunite) it seems to be a bit different. For me the serpent of the bible actually promotes wisdom and understanding against a jealous god, which would make sense if Allah (swt) gave up on them.
:eek: I'm kinda glad I didn't see it then (would have thrown up..since I'm eating right now )
I opened it but didn't have my earphones on me so didn't listen to it.
Btw- what gave you the idea that I'll enjoy it? x]
19 year old white male interested in Islam. However, I completely reject Christ as the son of god.
furthermore, i lean more towards paganism. I am just here to learn. And yes, i LOVE black metal - and no, I promise I am not a troll.
Many blessings,
Rick
Hello Rick you are most welcome here and you may ask us any questions you like and we will try our best to answer but remember we are lay people so we can only do the best we can with the limited knowledge we have.
Islam is total submission to the will on one God and all of the Prophets and messenger came with the same message and that is to spread and implement the worship of ONLY one God. Paganism is totally the opposite of oneness to God because it is the worship of more than one God.
In the Prophet Muhammed (Pbuh) lived among many pagans and many of those pagans after coming across the Prophet Muhammed (Pbuh) knew that he was conveying the truth. His character was so superiour that no one was like him and the message he spread made complete sense. Many of those pagans eventually became the greatest companions of the Prophet(Pbuh) and the greatest people of Islam.
Allah sent down Prophets and messengers to spread his message and these prophets and messengers were a mercy to mankind and the people they were sent to. The Prophet Muhammed(Pbuh) was sent to the whole of mankind not just his people.
Whatever laws Allah has established they are only for the benefit of mankind. We live in societies where we have laws and regulations therefore we are not completly free to do what we want but we have to remain within the boundaries of the laws and regulations of the society we live in. Samway the rules of Islam are generally the same except they also cover laws for the benefit of our spirituality as well as our physical and mental well being. For example the prohibition of alcohol and drugs which are the biggest cost to any society in regards to its resources and cause chaos and a depletion of recources.
The prohition of fornication and adultry which are the causes of many vices and diseases as well as the break ups of marriages and much more. Also the prohibition of usury which has had detrimenal effects to the income of countless people throughout the world and is the cause of the collapse of economies and the worldwide credit crisis.
Islam also focuses on bettering us as individual like prohibiting us from backbiting, slander, lying, cheating.
It enjoins that we are the best towards others and adopt a superiour form of manners and etiquttes as well as keeping ties of kinship and being the best towards our marriage partners and knowing their rights and our rights.
It enjoins that we be the best towards ur parents and that we don't even say "uff" to them. It enjoing that we control our anger and that we gain a closeness to Allah and a direct connection rather than through a priest or mediator.
It enjoins that we help our brothers and sisters and give much charity and that we give 2.5 % of wealth each year to the poor and if everyone enjoined this then there would be n poverty in this world. It says that we should enjoin good and forbid evil.
Everything Islam enjoins is the best for mankind in every way shape and form.
We welcome any questions you may have and we are delighted that you have taken an interest in Islam as it shows that Allah has lead you here and he is wanting to guide you but you should have an open mind and let the truth seep into permeate and infiltrate into your heart.
“He is Allah besides Whom there is no other god, knowing the unseen and the visible. He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful! He is Allah, besides Whom there is no other god, the Sovereign, the Holy, (the Source of) Peace, the Secure, the Preserver, the Powerful, the Irresistible, the Grandiose. Glory be to Allah ahead of anything they may associate (with Him)! He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Shaper. His are the Finest Names. Everything in Heaven and Earth celebrates Him. He is the Powerful, the Wise.” (Qu’ran 59:22-24)
“Say: ‘He is Allah the One. The Eternally besought of all. He begets not nor is He begotten and there is none comparable unto Him.’” (Qu’ran 112: 1-4)
the video screams satanic behavior at its worst......if any music genre was beloved to satan it would be the black metal genre
Wow, that sure is quite the attitude to have... All band members are Thelemites, and have a love for God - which for them is love & knowledge. They may be occultists, but really calling them "satanists" is not at all correct.
In fact, this is the attitude that I find christians have the most. I do not think i would find it here, but, of course... It depends on person? Isnt islam about love?
Whether or not you agree with the music, you can at least be tolerant of where I am at right now - and there was a warning attached.
Secondly, to Funky : I did say you'd enjoy it, but maybe "enjoy" was not the right word... Alright, in any case, I am sorry & apologize. But to Abdullahii - I have nothing to apologize for - I gave a warning, he wished to view it. Not everyone here is Muslim, and of course, I gave due warning - Something they also do in Malaysia.
AGAIN, to everyone here: I will refrain from posting such material without further knowledge, and I apologize for that.
Hello Rick you are most welcome here and you may ask us any questions you like and we will try our best to answer but remember we are lay people so we can only do the best we can with the limited knowledge we have.
thank you, and understood.
Islam is total submission to the will on one God and all of the Prophets and messenger came with the same message and that is to spread and implement the worship of ONLY one God. Paganism is totally the opposite of oneness to God because it is the worship of more than one God.
I believe in One God with many gods that are manifestations of this - akin to Hinduism, if you will. Of course, the idea is that are these gods worthy of worship? I wonder myself sometimes.
In the Prophet Muhammed (Pbuh) lived among many pagans and many of those pagans after coming across the Prophet Muhammed (Pbuh) knew that he was conveying the truth. His character was so superiour that no one was like him and the message he spread made complete sense. Many of those pagans eventually became the greatest companions of the Prophet(Pbuh) and the greatest people of Islam.
Good to understand, that must mean that Paganism has some merit for them to recognize truth, as say, compared to christians. the fact that pagans can comprehend the truth that muhammed was saying says something about pagans.
Allah sent down Prophets and messengers to spread his message and these prophets and messengers were a mercy to mankind and the people they were sent to. The Prophet Muhammed(Pbuh) was sent to the whole of mankind not just his people.
Agreed, and this is a liberal attitude that i support for any religion.
Whatever laws Allah has established they are only for the benefit of mankind. We live in societies where we have laws and regulations therefore we are not completly free to do what we want but we have to remain within the boundaries of the laws and regulations of the society we live in. Samway the rules of Islam are generally the same except they also cover laws for the benefit of our spirituality as well as our physical and mental well being. For example the prohibition of alcohol and drugs which are the biggest cost to any society in regards to its resources and cause chaos and a depletion of recources.
Agreed on this also, I do not smoke or drink. However, some laws are a little nonsense-ous if you ask me - such as not drawing portraits. Portraits are art, and we are not creating them to draw life into them. If god created something, we should be able to bask in his creation to see it's magnificence, and all the emotions thereof.
The prohition of fornication and adultry which are the causes of many vices and diseases as well as the break ups of marriages and much more. Also the prohibition of usury which has had detrimenal effects to the income of countless people throughout the world and is the cause of the collapse of economies and the worldwide credit crisis.
Understood, and sensible.
Islam also focuses on bettering us as individual like prohibiting us from backbiting, slander, lying, cheating.
Also good, no complaints.
It enjoins that we are the best towards others and adopt a superiour form of manners and etiquttes as well as keeping ties of kinship and being the best towards our marriage partners and knowing their rights and our rights.
Understood.
It enjoins that we be the best towards ur parents and that we don't even say "uff" to them. It enjoing that we control our anger and that we gain a closeness to Allah and a direct connection rather than through a priest or mediator.
Exactly something I love greatly.
It enjoins that we help our brothers and sisters and give much charity and that we give 2.5 % of wealth each year to the poor and if everyone enjoined this then there would be n poverty in this world. It says that we should enjoin good and forbid evil.
Also worthy of merit.
Everything Islam enjoins is the best for mankind in every way shape and form.
What about the portrait ideal? That is one I cannot understand, along with a few others I cannot recall.
We welcome any questions you may have and we are delighted that you have taken an interest in Islam as it shows that Allah has lead you here and he is wanting to guide you but you should have an open mind and let the truth seep into permeate and infiltrate into your heart.
“He is Allah besides Whom there is no other god, knowing the unseen and the visible. He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful! He is Allah, besides Whom there is no other god, the Sovereign, the Holy, (the Source of) Peace, the Secure, the Preserver, the Powerful, the Irresistible, the Grandiose. Glory be to Allah ahead of anything they may associate (with Him)! He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Shaper. His are the Finest Names. Everything in Heaven and Earth celebrates Him. He is the Powerful, the Wise.” (Qu’ran 59:22-24)
“Say: ‘He is Allah the One. The Eternally besought of all. He begets not nor is He begotten and there is none comparable unto Him.’” (Qu’ran 112: 1-4)
My replies above are in bold, and thank you again.
I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to offend you or anything And you don't have to apologize
You did not offend me as much as the above user did. If "Satan" represents free thought and understanding, and knowledge, there you go. For me, that is what Satan represents.
Conversely, you could also say that Satan is a tempter to do evil. In which sense, i see Satan as more of a personification of our own carnal nature, and our own jihad within ourselves. IN that metaphorical sense of Satan, I agree with.
However, Satan as portrayed in the Bible in Genesis (Judaism) is something altogether different from the current Christian view as an actual being.
If Islam accepts Satan as a metaphor, I have no issue.
I'm sorry even if I offended you a little. I really didn't mean to.
PS, Don't take anything he says to heart. He is never really..um..''serious'' :X
It's quite fine, don't be. However, the accusations he makes are pretty common, without understand the general idea of Satan in black metal is not that of immorality and debauchery, but that of light, wisdom and truth, independent of social norms.
Hello again Rick and thank you for reading and replying.
The devil is known as Shaytaan or Iblees.
Iblees is a Jinn. Jinn are a different species of creation. They are made out of fire-energy (and man is created out of clay).
Because of this Jinn are able to move through solids and even enter and take control of human minds.
How did Iblees end up the condemned and hated creature that he is today?
Before the creation of Adam, Iblees lived in Heaven with the Angels. He was very pious and there was no place on Earth where he had not prostrated to Allah Talah.
Almighty Allah then created Adam and asked Angels and Iblis to prostrate before him. (Showing mankind’s superiority over all other creation, including Jinn.) All the Angels bowed to Adam but Iblees refused, saying that he was made of fire, whilst Adam was only made of clay.
His arrogance and pride angered Allah Ta’alah who banished him from Jannah. But Iblees was not content to leave alone. He was determined to destroy Adam, whom he blamed for his fall.
Iblees asked Allah to extend his life until the day of Qiyamah and then vowed to try and mislead as many of Adam’s progeny as he could. Iblees was determined that was not going to burn in the fire of Hell alone. Iblees then became known as Shaytaan which means devil.
Almighty Allah agreed to Shaytaan’s request, but also told him that He would grant forgiveness to anyone who sincerely asked for it.
Shaytaan is always waiting to mislead mankind and lead him astray and far away from the love and mercy of Allah. As Muslims, we should always be aware of, and on the look-out for Shaytaan’s deception because he is truly the master of deception.
Almighty Allah has honored humans and endowed them with two important gifts:
The first is the ability to differentiate between right and wrong, and that is attained by the very clean human instinct and then furthered by the dos and the don'ts as explained by Shariah.
The second gift that was given to humans by their Creator is the free will to choose between what is good and what is bad. Of course, this choice is not a blind one; rather, it is based on the Divinely-endowed will and the nature that is able to differentiate between right and wrong.
Bearing all this in mind, none can ask to be excused on the Day of Judgment because they had no knowledge of what is right and what is wrong or did not have the free will.
The simple reason for this is, as explained before, that people do have the ability to discern what is correct and what is not, and are endowed with responsible will that enables them to take full responsibility of all their words and deeds.
This very notion of being able to differentiate between what is right and what is wrong puts humans in a delicate test to explore and show their real obedience to their Creator.
Therefore, people who make the effort, struggle against their will and directs it towards Allah are better than angels in that sense.
This is because angels do not have this free will. They are there for specific purposes and to do specific jobs like carrying the messages of Allah to the messengers of Allah, protecting human beings and recording their deeds.
Because they have no free will, and they are just cut for obedience, angels will not be reckoned on the Day of Judgment, because there is no point of doing that to them.
Of course, this is then completely different from human beings who, on the Day of Judgment, will be taken to task for their deeds and punished or rewarded according to their choices.
Some people may question: if angels were created to obey and have no free will, how come then that Satan said: "No" when he was commanded to prostrate, amongst all other angels, to Adam? Is not that considered to be disobedience and thus it gives an indication of some kind of choice?
The simple answer to all this is no, simply because Satan was never one of the angels and never will be.
So, if that is the case, what is the whole story behind the Satan's being mentioned in the same context and what brought him to the scene? To answer this question, we need to refer to the Quran itself and the books of exegesis.
The Quran tells us in another place that Satan was one of the jinn and he disobeyed the command of his Lord.
Almighty Allah says:
[And (remember) when we said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam. And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He was one of the jinn, so he rebelled against his Lord’s command.] (Al-Kahf 18:51)
In his commentary on this verse, Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall, one of the most well-known translators of the meanings of the Quran, wrote: "The fact that Iblis or Satan is one of the Jinn and not of the angels, though he was among the latter, explains his disobedience, since Jinn, like men, can choose their path of conduct." (Pickthall, The Holy Quran, pg. 186)
With this in mind, we can understand what our scholars tell us that Iblis (a name of Satan) was actually one of the jinn, and was so obedient to Allah that He raised him, for wisdom and a purpose, to higher ranks and he was living in the heavens, worshipping with the angels.
When he was commanded to prostrate to Adam, he was there in his place amongst the angels, but because of his nature, he was still endowed with the free will to choose.
His presence there was definitely for a purpose. Probably, it was a test and Almighty Allah knew that Satan was going to do this.
Either way, Satan was not one of the angels and therefore, the characteristics of the angels do not apply on him.
One final thing remains. Humans have an eternal enmity with Satan and know that Satan is sparing no efforts all the time to misguide and mislead them. Therefore, they should be very cautious and alert, never to fall in the snares of Satan.
Islam teaches that the way out is to resort to Allah all the time and pray to Him for guidance and protection. Muslims are taught by the Quran to seek refuge in Allah from the accursed Satan and say: "I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed Satan."
May God protect us all from Satan and forgive our sins and mistakes.
I agree this is the case, but can the story be a metaphor for our own inner unwillingness to submit to Allah(swt) ?
For me, I see it all in metaphorical terms, which are still meaningful. Calling Satan "the whisperer" is indeed what he is - the bad side of us tempting us. Shadow and Light within.
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Alright, continuing on, about the rules: I guess i could slowly adopt, but it will take a whole lot of time, especially the whole pictures deal. I think i would be a little more liberal (my political views are socialist, and helping out everyone for the good of everyone else) and so on.
In any case, I plan on taking my time. I really, sincerely do. This is a question I will solve and work out.
I'm a hippy liberal tree hugger who's also an uber traditionalist muslim There are two stereotypical muslim converts - those who try to take on too much too quickly, and those who question everything that is pretty much a given in islam. inshaAllah (God willing), if you take the time to study ahead of time, and ask the Divine to guide you towards what is best for you and what His will is for you, if you do decide to convert, you'll find a happy middle path. Don't go into thinking that you're x, y and z and that's never going to change. Be open to where the Almighty is directing you, and take the path that you're sent.
I believe they currently only take credit or debit cards. Click on their contact us button and email to see if there's something else they could do. It never hurts to ask.
I'm a hippy liberal tree hugger who's also an uber traditionalist muslim There are two stereotypical muslim converts - those who try to take on too much too quickly, and those who question everything that is pretty much a given in islam. inshaAllah (God willing), if you take the time to study ahead of time, and ask the Divine to guide you towards what is best for you and what His will is for you, if you do decide to convert, you'll find a happy middle path. Don't go into thinking that you're x, y and z and that's never going to change. Be open to where the Almighty is directing you, and take the path that you're sent.
My only issue is giving up my black metal. thats about it. Otherwise, i'm sure I could cope. I'm just not sure if islam is correct.
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There are two stereotypical muslim converts - those who try to take on too much too quickly, and those who question everything that is pretty much a given in islam. inshaAllah (God willing), if you take the time to study ahead of time, and ask the Divine to guide you towards what is best for you and what His will is for you, if you do decide to convert, you'll find a happy middle path. Don't go into thinking that you're x, y and z and that's never going to change. Be open to where the Almighty is directing you, and take the path that you're sent.
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