Hello from Albania

Welcome to the forum Elly!

Welcome to the forum, Elly.

It is indeed heart-breaking to watch followers of the same loving, forgiving and merciful God hating, attacking and killing each other ...
No wonder people lose faith in religion!

I look forward to reading more from you.

format_quote Originally Posted by EllyDicious

Hi,

My name is Elida but you can call me Elly. I am from Albania, 23 y.o, Law student.
My hobbies are singing; photography; computers.

About my religion orientation, I come from a Muslim family, but myself I'm not a real Muslim.
I believe in God but I don't think He has any religion and I wonder if He likes the fact that people have religions and also kill themselves for religious issues.

I think God will love your if you're a good human being, no matter if you're Christian/Jewish/Muslim etc. as well as even if you don't have any religion at all.

I'm here because God / religious discussion has always been attractive to me.

Hi,

I hope you get to learn from here.

Regarding your views, can you give any evidence in regards to why you think God will love any good human? I would love to believe you but I need evidence to believe in what you are saying.

I hope your stay is beneficial and learn Truth from here.

format_quote Originally Posted by EllyDicious

Thank You for the welcome everyone! :-)



Can you give any evidence in regards to why you think God will love any religious person? [I guess that's what you think since you don't believe that God loves any good human].
I guess you'd say that your evidence is Q'uran or any other holy book?
We all know those books are man-made and no one / nothing can assure us that what's written there is 100% true.

Even Bin Laden believes in God and refers to Him as "Allah". He claims to be religious while he's the most sinful man on earth for causing terrorism.

What is the point in killing people just because they don't share the same religion? I don't think God would like this.

That's why I wonder what's the point of religion, at all. You can be religious, yet you kill people, judge those who don't share the same religion, speak in the name of God as you'd know what He truly thinks ... etc.


God is just one, and if you're a good human, if you respect yourself and everyone around you, if you love life and people, if you know how to behave, if you sacrifice for your family and friends, if you are helpful to the others, if you are honest and loyal, if you are generous and have a great heart, if you are open minded, frank and sincere , if you love God and believe in Him .......then what is the point in being religious / choosing a religion??
That's why I think God loves any good human, no matter what religion they choose.

Do you seriously think that God loves only Muslims??
There can people great Christian people around the world and you think God loves them less?
I don't think so.

Well you have brought many points. Lets look at them one by one.

"Can you give any evidence in regards to why you think God will love any religious person? [I guess that's what you think since you don't believe that God loves any good human].
I guess you'd say that your evidence is Q'uran or any other holy book?
We all know those books are man-made and no one / nothing can assure us that what's written there is 100% true."

Speak for yourself. I know that Quran is not man-made. If you think so then create a book which single handedly takes a language, Albanian in this case perhaps, to the heights of literary perfection never attained before in history by any grammarian or linguist of the language of your choice, while being illiterate and with no resources to edit your work.



"Even Bin Laden believes in God and refers to Him as "Allah". He claims to be religious while he's the most sinful man on earth for causing terrorism."


Who gave you the right to judge someone (Bin Laden in this case) sinful and someone else pious? Are you pious just because you dont kill other humans? Are you the one playing God now?



"God is just one, and if you're a good human, if you respect yourself and everyone around you, if you love life and people, if you know how to behave, if you sacrifice for your family and friends, if you are helpful to the others, if you are honest and loyal, if you are generous and have a great heart, if you are open minded, frank and sincere , if you love God and believe in Him .......then what is the point in being religious / choosing a religion??
That's why I think God loves any good human, no matter what religion they choose."

All those characteristics, which you have mentioned, they are meaningless to me. They are not objective. They are just those characteristics which perhaps you like, why should I value those things which you like? Hence, those characteristics (the bolded part) are not necessarily good at a universal scale. So are you saying that a person who follows what you think is good, is a good person? What if a human thinks that lying is good, do you think he is a bad person? Why would you think so? Are you playing God again?


"Do you seriously think that God loves only Muslims??
There can people great Christian people around the world and you think God loves them less?
I don't think so."

I could not care more what you think and what you dont think. Islamic God (Allah) loves those humans who follow His command and love Him.

Hope you get to learn more form these forums.

Welcome Elida Hope you'll learn lots here insha'llah.

I believe in God but I don't think He has any religion

Do you believe in paradise and hell? If so, why do you think He then created us if there is no religion?

Allaah has created man in a world of temptation, trials, and risks. What kind of God is that who would create his beings and then abandon them without granting them guidance, without showing them the right path not caring about what happens to them?

and I wonder if He likes the fact that people have religions and also kill themselves for religious issues.

Killing themselves is strictly prohibited. Don't blame the law, blame the people who break the law.

I think God will love your if you're a good human being, no matter if you're Christian/Jewish/Muslim etc. as well as even if you don't have any religion at all.

What makes you a good human? Rejecting, being ungrateful and denying your Creator's existance? The One Who heals you when you are sick, the One Who feeds you when you are hungry and gives you drink when you are thirsty.

Can you give any evidence in regards to why you think God will love any religious person? [I guess that's what you think since you don't believe that God loves any good human].

Are you comparing the one who gives thanks to the Provider after something good befalls him or merely after enjoying a spoonful of food or a sup of water and bears calamities and distress patiently seeking Allah's reward or spends the night seeking Allah's pleasure while everybody else is sleeping or the one who fasts bearing hunger and thirst and giving up his food and drink for the sake of the Provider or the one who gives charity to the poor and needy and who glorifies His lord day and night to the one who takes this all for granted and disobeys and denies His Lord's existance?

We all know those books are man-made and no one / nothing can assure us that what's written there is 100% true.

As it has been said to you, talk for yourself only. We muslims all know that those books are revelations from Allah. (I'm might not be so good in explaining, so I copied the below...)

"Man is created and subjugated, and he has to know his Creator and what He wants of him, and why he was created. Man cannot come to know that independently. He has no way of finding that out except through knowing the Prophets and Messengers, and the guidance and light which they brought.

Source: http://islam-qa.com/en/ref/13957/"

Even Bin Laden believes in God and refers to Him as "Allah". He claims to be religious while he's the most sinful man on earth for causing terrorism.

God is the best of Judges. He is the most sinful man on Earth for causing terrorism? That's some statement! Again, don't blame the law, blame the people who break the law.

What is the point in killing people just because they don't share the same religion? I don't think God would like this.

And where has it been claimed otherwise?

Allah Almighty says:

“There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taaghoot (false gods) and believes in Allaah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break” [al-Baqarah 2:256]

Allaah has created man and given him reason, and He has sent down to him Revelation and sent to him Messengers to call him to the truth and warn him against falsehood. Then He has left him to make his own choice.

“And say: ‘The truth is from your Lord.’ Then whosoever wills, let him believe; and whosoever wills, let him disbelieve

[al-Kahf 18:29]

May Allah guide you and us.

Peace,

You just guess it or that's what YOU LIKE/

Islam has taught us to follow reason and not our own desires and likings.

"37. Or have you a Book through which you learn.

38. That you shall have all that you choose?

39. Or you have oaths from Us, reaching to the Day of Resurrection that yours will be what you judge." [Al-Qalam]

have been taught to think.

My parents rarely kept me lectures or discussed religion with me. I started exploring a while ago after I grew up a bit older. I still have a lot to learn

It's funny though how you say "Islamic God". You make is sound like there are 5-6 types of Gods.
While I think God [not necessarily Islamic] loves any human, even those who may not follow him. I guess he loves even the atheists.

To my undrestanding, he said Islamic God assuming you're not a native Arabic speaker and referring it to the Arabic word Allah.

Also, how do you know God is Islamic and that he loves all the humans who follow him? Because Q'uran says so?

see my previous post.

maybe you should try to look into the proofs of islam, like the miracles of the quran etc. the quran is present today you just have to read the relevant passages.

proof is there for those who sincerely seek it even whilst being a skeptic. i dunno, i used to be alot like you at one time but after certain events in life and gaining some maturity and using my brain Allah guided me to conviction. and i never believed just because my parents indoctrinated me, for most of my teenage yrs i was thinking along the lines of an agnost.

after all you cant see Allah swt right? yet looking at the world around you and your own soul, youll realise its impossible for Allah not to exist. then ask if Allah exists then has he created the heavens in sport or is there some purpose your missing?

format_quote Originally Posted by EllyDicious

Even Bin Laden believes in God and refers to Him as "Allah". He claims to be religious while he's the most sinful man on earth for causing terrorism.

Are you god that can judge someone to 'the most sinful man on earth' and not religious? There is no proof that bin laden has caused any terrorism.

From what I've experienced albanians are the worst muslims I've ever met, probably more sinful than the biggest terrorist in the world - george bush