btw sheikh kishk wore sunglasses because he was visually impaired.. As I heard some nasty comments made about him and his blindness on youtube..
anyhow the first post is basically about this incident:
There was a time in our History, that once it so happened, that in a Roman City, one Muslim sister was attacked. Unlike the far graver atrocities that are reported today, only to fall on deaf years of our rulers, this news of attack reached the then ruler of the Caliphate. When the Caliph, Mutasim Billah heard about the cry of the women, calling "Ya Mutasim", he was stunned. He immediately ordered a meeting, for which an emergency Adhan (Sixth Adhan) was given in the Masjid, and the relevant personals gathered. They inquired the Caliph, "What is the matter?", to which he replied, "a report has reached me that one Muslim sister was abused in a Roman city." He proceeded, "Wallahi, I will send an army that is so big that when it reaches them it will still be leaving our bases. And tell me the strongest city of these Romans and I will send the army to that city." This was the decisive response of the Khalifah, when the honor of one of our sisters/mothers was touched. It is noteworthy to note the swift and decisive response of the Caliphate, with regards to protection of human rights. The Caliph did not send a team of lawyers to take up the issue in the courts of Romans, nor did he dispatched State diplomats to plea and request the 'safety' of the victim. The Islamic state did not delay the matter to first gauge public sentiments. Neither did the Muslim rulers exploit the issue for their own personal gain. This ability of the Islamic state was not merely confined to the 'character' of the then Ruler, but stemmed from legal framework of the Caliphate, i.e. the Shariah Law. Which obliged rulers to take notice, authorized the Caliph to make quick decisions, and operate a robust foreign policy, in which the State, ventured to rescue the women, by taking on a prominent power i.e. the Romans. Such decisive maneuvers are impossible within the confinements of the nation state models and democratic (or dictatorial) mode of governance found in the divided Muslim world today. A Caliphate can change this for the better, and our past, is testimonial to this. by Engr. Sharique Naeem ( [email protected])
another fantastic moment from Islamic history- this time from harun Ar'Rchid to another Roman dog:
When the Byzantine empress Irene was deposed, Nikephoros I became emperor and refused to pay tribute to Harun, saying that Irene should have been receiving the tribute the whole time. News of this angered Harun, who wrote a message on the back of the Roman emperor's letter and said "In the name of God the most merciful, From Amir al-Mu'minin Harun al-Rashid, commander of the faithful, to Nikephoros, dog of the Romans. Thou shalt not hear, thou shalt behold my reply". After campaigns in Asia Minor, Nikephoros was forced to conclude a treaty, with humiliating terms.[7][8]
Allah made everyone different thats what makes them special,so no matter what ppl say just remember you're SPECIAL!! "You are with the one you love"
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btw sheikh kishk wore sunglasses because he was visually impaired.. As I heard some nasty comments made about him and his blindness on youtube..
anyhow the first post is basically about this incident:
There was a time in our History, that once it so happened, that in a Roman City, one Muslim sister was attacked. Unlike the far graver atrocities that are reported today, only to fall on deaf years of our rulers, this news of attack reached the then ruler of the Caliphate. When the Caliph, Mutasim Billah heard about the cry of the women, calling "Ya Mutasim", he was stunned. He immediately ordered a meeting, for which an emergency Adhan (Sixth Adhan) was given in the Masjid, and the relevant personals gathered. They inquired the Caliph, "What is the matter?", to which he replied, "a report has reached me that one Muslim sister was abused in a Roman city." He proceeded, "Wallahi, I will send an army that is so big that when it reaches them it will still be leaving our bases. And tell me the strongest city of these Romans and I will send the army to that city." This was the decisive response of the Khalifah, when the honor of one of our sisters/mothers was touched. It is noteworthy to note the swift and decisive response of the Caliphate, with regards to protection of human rights. The Caliph did not send a team of lawyers to take up the issue in the courts of Romans, nor did he dispatched State diplomats to plea and request the 'safety' of the victim. The Islamic state did not delay the matter to first gauge public sentiments. Neither did the Muslim rulers exploit the issue for their own personal gain. This ability of the Islamic state was not merely confined to the 'character' of the then Ruler, but stemmed from legal framework of the Caliphate, i.e. the Shariah Law. Which obliged rulers to take notice, authorized the Caliph to make quick decisions, and operate a robust foreign policy, in which the State, ventured to rescue the women, by taking on a prominent power i.e. the Romans. Such decisive maneuvers are impossible within the confinements of the nation state models and democratic (or dictatorial) mode of governance found in the divided Muslim world today. A Caliphate can change this for the better, and our past, is testimonial to this. by Engr. Sharique Naeem ( [email protected])
If it really happened that way, that was not a proper response. A single Muslim was abused under unclear circumstances, but instead of even giving the Byzantine authorities a chance to rectify what was done, the Caliph decided to start a war between states. That's not making justice, that's smacking around others just to show who's boss.
If it really happened that way, that was not a proper response. A single Muslim was abused under unclear circumstances, but instead of even giving the Byzantine authorities a chance to rectify what was done, the Caliph decided to start a war between states. That's not making justice, that's smacking around others just to show who's boss.
That's right, and we shall show them who is boss once again in shaa Allah! by then you can change your way of life to kaffir and cower with them!
best,
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Help me to escape from this existence
I yearn for an answer... can you help me?
I'm drowning in a sea of abused visions and shattered dreams
In somnolent illusion... I'm paralyzed
Not sure I understand what this has to do with me being American, the thread subject, caliphates or history. I find you very incoherent (either drugs or English isn't your first language) and the other guy is a tool I just hope he's getting paid for it.
That being said, I can't generate enough interest to deal with either of you and I suspect you'll have better luck with a paid therapist.
That's right, and we shall show them who is boss once again in shaa Allah! by then you can change your way of life to kaffir and cower with them!
best,
So because one kaffir somewhere acting entirely on his own abused a Muslim, we should invade an entire country and kill lots of kaffirs?
Good of you to admit to your power fantasies. Do you get kicks from imagining the leaders of the kaffir humiliating themselves before you and begging you for mercy? Would you subject them to random drone attacks too just to remind them of how subjugated they are?
So because one kaffir somewhere acting entirely on his own abused a Muslim, we should invade an entire country and kill lots of kaffirs?
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Good of you to admit to your power fantasies. Do you get kicks from imagining the leaders of the kaffir humiliating themselves before you and begging you for mercy? Would you subject them to random drone attacks too just to remind them of how subjugated they are?
Rather I am enjoying that you demonstrate your ignorance and so openly! You evidently have no clue what happened in either incidents or why, and I hazard say of the entire Islamic history and thusly I am confused as to why you write about things you don't understand or why you choose Islam as a way of life? Rather than research you go off on your usual sickening sanctimonious self-righteous tirades. At any rate I don't care enough for you to amend your ways, do yourself the favor of being a kaffir as there's no point whatsoever to subscribe to a religion or a people whose convictions are so obviously at odds with yours- oh and by the way she was held as a POW. Wish Sister Afifa and others like her had someone like al'mo3tasim to listen, unfortunately they only have the likes of you!
Last edited by جوري; 10-13-2012 at 02:30 PM.
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
As for "what happened" in the original incident, I'm just going by what you copypasted into the OP. If something of relevance was left out, the fault for that lies with you.
The OP states quite clearly that the Caliph did not bother about finding out the facts, of finding out whether the abuse had been perpetrated by a single individual acting or his own or as a part of official Byzantine state policy. He just prejudged the Byzantine state to be guilty of what had happened and decided to invade.
I doubt your attitude is very representative of the Ummah either, but if it is, maybe it would be for the best that we'd remain powerless.
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