Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
You do know this guy is a sufi who thinks the kuffar can be shaheed?
He speaks about how traditional islam books are being modified due to the oil money in Saudi Arabia from the wahabi sect. Which is funny because it's being changed not only over there but over here too by modern shaykhs like him.
Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
He also says there is no need to have a Khilafah. So how is the Shariah and the hudud ever going to be implemented without it? People like him are allowed to flourish in Darul Kufr. He's as harmless as a dove to the kuffar.
Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
format_quote Originally Posted by ahmed.younes
Yes this "sheikh" is an idiot. He teaches people in his school to sit swerving saying Allah for hours. Allah al mosta3an
His followers can also think of your shaykh as idiot...!
Can't you come out of this sectarian hatred...?
How can ''Saying Allah'' be wrong...?
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format_quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd
He also says there is no need to have a Khilafah. So how is the Shariah and the hudud ever going to be implemented without it? People like him are allowed to flourish in Darul Kufr. He's as harmless as a dove to the kuffar.
Where is khilafah in any Muslim country except dictatorship or kingship....?
Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
On the contrary, you need to stop being a sheep, and research yourself instead of following mainstream "Sheikhs" What is your aqeedah? Are you a sufi? Go spread your made up beleifs elsewhere, nobody has time for you. Is this what you have been doing all the meanwhile, 3000 posts? Get a life
Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
format_quote Originally Posted by ahmed.younes
Because it is against the sunnah of the prophet phub. It is an innovation and a bida', and it is leading others astray.
format_quote Originally Posted by ahmed.younes
On the contrary, you need to stop being a sheep, and research yourself instead of following mainstream "Sheikhs" What is your aqeedah? Are you a sufi? Go spread your made up beleifs elsewhere, nobody has time for you. Is this what you have been doing all the meanwhile, 3000 posts? Get a life
Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
@azc , before attacking others you should do some research bro. Hamza is a sufi and his own students went to shk estes for clarification of these bidah practices he was having them do. Have a read here of what estes had to say about it:
And scholars are inheritors of the Prophet . Unless you are a scholar yourself, you have to follow the scholars. Not blindly of course, but nonetheless, you have to follow them when they are teaching the correct manhaj. You wouldn't become a doctor or engineer all by yourself, you have to go learn from them who have the knowledge. Same goes with the deen. Going alone trying to understand the deen will only lead you astray.
Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
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Where is khilafah in any Muslim country except dictatorship or kingship....?
I said, he denies that is fard anymore. Just because there isn't one doesn't mean it is no longer obligatory. And since it is a fard kifayah, the whole ummah bears the sin of it not being established.
Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
format_quote Originally Posted by Zzz_
@azc , before attacking others you should do some research bro. Hamza is a sufi and his own students went to shk estes for clarification of these bidah practices he was having them do. Have a read here of what estes had to say about it:
And scholars are inheritors of the Prophet . Unless you are a scholar yourself, you have to follow the scholars. Not blindly of course, but nonetheless, you have to follow them when they are teaching the correct manhaj. You wouldn't become a doctor or engineer all by yourself, you have to go learn from them who have the knowledge. Same goes with the deen. Going alone trying to understand the deen will only lead you astray.
I never attack.
I'm against to call any scholar as idiot, even he belongs to other sect.
If you dislike any scholar for his aqida or opinion, abstain from him but using insulting comments can't be appreciated.
I don't follow scholars though but I respect them all regardless of their ideology/sect for their knowledge of Quran and hadith.
Following a specific sect makes you a fanatic Muslim and you begin to hate other sect and their scholars.
Who is sh hamza yusuf, I'm not interested to know in detail, nor I try to know. Their act whether good or bad will be decided on judgement day.
No scholar is perfect. All are fallible. So I take what is good and leave what is bad.
Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
you have a skewed way of looking at things and it will not help you in staying on the right path. How can you take good and leave bad when you don't know know what is good and what is bad? You need knowledge first to recognized the good from the bad. But if you go to any scholar to take the "good" then you will be only misguiding yourself. Their "good" may not be what the Quran and Sunnah considers good. For example, Muta'ah marriage is acceptable in Shia. If their scholar claims it as a good and islamic way to stay away from zina till you are ready for permanent marriage, being ignorant of Islam you will accept that "good" if you follow that way.
Prophet said all sects will go to hellfire except one. Whether you like it or not, only one sect has the right aqeedah and all the rest are misguided. If you don't want to be in the right camp and want to accept "good" from all the camps then you only jeopardize your own aqeedah and akhira.
And if a scholar from another sect, such as sufi, claims he can become one with Allah or even know more than Allah does (nouzbillah), then how in the world would Allah not hate him? Do you think Allah loves such a mushrik? We love and hate what Allah and His Messenger loves and hates. If you want to dilly dally about who to love and hate, then that's your prerogative.
Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
format_quote Originally Posted by Zzz_
@azc , before attacking others you should do some research bro. Hamza is a sufi and his own students went to shk estes for clarification of these bidah practices he was having them do. Have a read here of what estes had to say about it:
And scholars are inheritors of the Prophet . Unless you are a scholar yourself, you have to follow the scholars. Not blindly of course, but nonetheless, you have to follow them when they are teaching the correct manhaj. You wouldn't become a doctor or engineer all by yourself, you have to go learn from them who have the knowledge. Same goes with the deen. Going alone trying to understand the deen will only lead you astray.
format_quote Originally Posted by Zzz_
you have a skewed way of looking at things and it will not help you in staying on the right path. How can you take good and leave bad when you don't know know what is good and what is bad? You need knowledge first to recognized the good from the bad. But if you go to any scholar to take the "good" then you will be only misguiding yourself. Their "good" may not be what the Quran and Sunnah considers good. For example, Muta'ah marriage is acceptable in Shia. If their scholar claims it as a good and islamic way to stay away from zina till you are ready for permanent marriage, being ignorant of Islam you will accept that "good" if you follow that way.
Prophet said all sects will go to hellfire except one. Whether you like it or not, only one sect has the right aqeedah and all the rest are misguided. If you don't want to be in the right camp and want to accept "good" from all the camps then you only jeopardize your own aqeedah and akhira.
And if a scholar from another sect, such as sufi, claims he can become one with Allah or even know more than Allah does (nouzbillah), then how in the world would Allah not hate him? Do you think Allah loves such a mushrik? We love and hate what Allah and His Messenger loves and hates. If you want to dilly dally about who to love and hate, then that's your prerogative.
Who divides this ummah into sects...?
None other than scholars.
''My scholars are good and all are bad''... Only the brainwashed followers raise this slogan.
All swt has given us reasoning power to see what is good and what is bad...
If you find it hard, then do as you wish. Life is yours.
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format_quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1
Can we stop with all the hate please? The prophet saw wouldnt like to see all this :/ lets all be a bit kinder
Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
format_quote Originally Posted by Zzz_
except there's a difference between a debate/discussion and hating and attacking someone.
who is hating and attacking you..?
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format_quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd
I said, he denies that is fard anymore. Just because there isn't one doesn't mean it is no longer obligatory. And since it is a fard kifayah, the whole ummah bears the sin of it not being established.
Let him say what he says,If you think it's obligatory then you should try to establish it somewhere in a Muslim country.
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