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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    You do know this guy is a sufi who thinks the kuffar can be shaheed?

    He speaks about how traditional islam books are being modified due to the oil money in Saudi Arabia from the wahabi sect. Which is funny because it's being changed not only over there but over here too by modern shaykhs like him.
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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    He also says there is no need to have a Khilafah. So how is the Shariah and the hudud ever going to be implemented without it? People like him are allowed to flourish in Darul Kufr. He's as harmless as a dove to the kuffar.
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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    Yes this "sheikh" is an idiot. He teaches people in his school to sit swerving saying Allah for hours. Allah al mosta3an

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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmed.younes View Post
    Yes this "sheikh" is an idiot. He teaches people in his school to sit swerving saying Allah for hours. Allah al mosta3an
    His followers can also think of your shaykh as idiot...!

    Can't you come out of this sectarian hatred...?

    How can ''Saying Allah'' be wrong...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    He also says there is no need to have a Khilafah. So how is the Shariah and the hudud ever going to be implemented without it? People like him are allowed to flourish in Darul Kufr. He's as harmless as a dove to the kuffar.
    Where is khilafah in any Muslim country except dictatorship or kingship....?
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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    Because it is against the sunnah of the prophet phub. It is an innovation and a bida', and it is leading others astray.
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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmed.younes View Post
    Because it is against the sunnah of the prophet phub. It is an innovation and a bida', and it is leading others astray.
    No, first, you need to learn what bida is...?
    Don't follow scholars blindly
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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    On the contrary, you need to stop being a sheep, and research yourself instead of following mainstream "Sheikhs" What is your aqeedah? Are you a sufi? Go spread your made up beleifs elsewhere, nobody has time for you. Is this what you have been doing all the meanwhile, 3000 posts? Get a life
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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmed.younes View Post
    Because it is against the sunnah of the prophet phub. It is an innovation and a bida', and it is leading others astray.
    Quote Originally Posted by ahmed.younes View Post
    On the contrary, you need to stop being a sheep, and research yourself instead of following mainstream "Sheikhs" What is your aqeedah? Are you a sufi? Go spread your made up beleifs elsewhere, nobody has time for you. Is this what you have been doing all the meanwhile, 3000 posts? Get a life
    Don't talk foolish.

    I'm not a sufi though, nor follow any scholar.

    You appear to be a brainwashed.

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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    @azc , before attacking others you should do some research bro. Hamza is a sufi and his own students went to shk estes for clarification of these bidah practices he was having them do. Have a read here of what estes had to say about it:

    https://islam.worldofislam.info/inde...id-he-go-wrong


    And scholars are inheritors of the Prophet . Unless you are a scholar yourself, you have to follow the scholars. Not blindly of course, but nonetheless, you have to follow them when they are teaching the correct manhaj. You wouldn't become a doctor or engineer all by yourself, you have to go learn from them who have the knowledge. Same goes with the deen. Going alone trying to understand the deen will only lead you astray.
    Last edited by Zzz_; 02-10-2018 at 05:35 PM.
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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

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    Where is khilafah in any Muslim country except dictatorship or kingship....?
    I said, he denies that is fard anymore. Just because there isn't one doesn't mean it is no longer obligatory. And since it is a fard kifayah, the whole ummah bears the sin of it not being established.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zzz_ View Post
    @azc , before attacking others you should do some research bro. Hamza is a sufi and his own students went to shk estes for clarification of these bidah practices he was having them do. Have a read here of what estes had to say about it:

    https://islam.worldofislam.info/inde...id-he-go-wrong


    And scholars are inheritors of the Prophet . Unless you are a scholar yourself, you have to follow the scholars. Not blindly of course, but nonetheless, you have to follow them when they are teaching the correct manhaj. You wouldn't become a doctor or engineer all by yourself, you have to go learn from them who have the knowledge. Same goes with the deen. Going alone trying to understand the deen will only lead you astray.
    I never attack.

    I'm against to call any scholar as idiot, even he belongs to other sect.

    If you dislike any scholar for his aqida or opinion, abstain from him but using insulting comments can't be appreciated.

    I don't follow scholars though but I respect them all regardless of their ideology/sect for their knowledge of Quran and hadith.

    Following a specific sect makes you a fanatic Muslim and you begin to hate other sect and their scholars.

    Who is sh hamza yusuf, I'm not interested to know in detail, nor I try to know. Their act whether good or bad will be decided on judgement day.

    No scholar is perfect. All are fallible. So I take what is good and leave what is bad.

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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    you have a skewed way of looking at things and it will not help you in staying on the right path. How can you take good and leave bad when you don't know know what is good and what is bad? You need knowledge first to recognized the good from the bad. But if you go to any scholar to take the "good" then you will be only misguiding yourself. Their "good" may not be what the Quran and Sunnah considers good. For example, Muta'ah marriage is acceptable in Shia. If their scholar claims it as a good and islamic way to stay away from zina till you are ready for permanent marriage, being ignorant of Islam you will accept that "good" if you follow that way.

    Prophet said all sects will go to hellfire except one. Whether you like it or not, only one sect has the right aqeedah and all the rest are misguided. If you don't want to be in the right camp and want to accept "good" from all the camps then you only jeopardize your own aqeedah and akhira.

    And if a scholar from another sect, such as sufi, claims he can become one with Allah or even know more than Allah does (nouzbillah), then how in the world would Allah not hate him? Do you think Allah loves such a mushrik? We love and hate what Allah and His Messenger loves and hates. If you want to dilly dally about who to love and hate, then that's your prerogative.
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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    Can we stop with all the hate please? The prophet saw wouldnt like to see all this :/ lets all be a bit kinder
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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    Quote Originally Posted by Zzz_ View Post
    @azc , before attacking others you should do some research bro. Hamza is a sufi and his own students went to shk estes for clarification of these bidah practices he was having them do. Have a read here of what estes had to say about it:

    https://islam.worldofislam.info/inde...id-he-go-wrong


    And scholars are inheritors of the Prophet . Unless you are a scholar yourself, you have to follow the scholars. Not blindly of course, but nonetheless, you have to follow them when they are teaching the correct manhaj. You wouldn't become a doctor or engineer all by yourself, you have to go learn from them who have the knowledge. Same goes with the deen. Going alone trying to understand the deen will only lead you astray.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zzz_ View Post
    you have a skewed way of looking at things and it will not help you in staying on the right path. How can you take good and leave bad when you don't know know what is good and what is bad? You need knowledge first to recognized the good from the bad. But if you go to any scholar to take the "good" then you will be only misguiding yourself. Their "good" may not be what the Quran and Sunnah considers good. For example, Muta'ah marriage is acceptable in Shia. If their scholar claims it as a good and islamic way to stay away from zina till you are ready for permanent marriage, being ignorant of Islam you will accept that "good" if you follow that way.

    Prophet said all sects will go to hellfire except one. Whether you like it or not, only one sect has the right aqeedah and all the rest are misguided. If you don't want to be in the right camp and want to accept "good" from all the camps then you only jeopardize your own aqeedah and akhira.

    And if a scholar from another sect, such as sufi, claims he can become one with Allah or even know more than Allah does (nouzbillah), then how in the world would Allah not hate him? Do you think Allah loves such a mushrik? We love and hate what Allah and His Messenger loves and hates. If you want to dilly dally about who to love and hate, then that's your prerogative.
    Who divides this ummah into sects...?

    None other than scholars.

    ''My scholars are good and all are bad''... Only the brainwashed followers raise this slogan.

    All swt has given us reasoning power to see what is good and what is bad...

    If you find it hard, then do as you wish. Life is yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1 View Post
    Can we stop with all the hate please? The prophet saw wouldnt like to see all this :/ lets all be a bit kinder
    Good post. your thinking is praiseworthy

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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Who divides this ummah into sects...?

    None other than scholars.

    ''My scholars are good and all are bad''... Only the brainwashed followers raise this slogan.

    All swt has given us reasoning power to see what is good and what is bad...

    If you find it hard, then do as you wish. Life is yours.

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    Good post. your thinking is praiseworthy
    Thank you but i really dont deserve the praise. Just annoys me to see us all fighting
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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1 View Post
    Just annoys me to see us all fighting
    except there's a difference between a debate/discussion and hating and attacking someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zzz_ View Post
    except there's a difference between a debate/discussion and hating and attacking someone.
    who is hating and attacking you..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    I said, he denies that is fard anymore. Just because there isn't one doesn't mean it is no longer obligatory. And since it is a fard kifayah, the whole ummah bears the sin of it not being established.
    Let him say what he says,If you think it's obligatory then you should try to establish it somewhere in a Muslim country.
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    Let him say what he says,If you think it's obligatory then you should try to establish it somewhere in a Muslim country.
    This statement just sums up the extent of your ignorance about the Deen.

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    Re: How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    This statement just sums up the extent of your ignorance about the Deen.
    ''Ya ayyuhallzina amanu lima taquluna ma la taf'alun''
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