The Map Of UNITED STATES OF ISLAM!!!

format_quote Originally Posted by Dr.Trax

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If you are against this and the domination of the world by ISLAM ,you are also against Allah's commandments!

Don't be ridicilous. That was posted in answer to sister Jazzy and not to anything else, and was not about being for or against Islamic world domination, gosh.

edit: Ah, so you got it cleared. Elhamdulillah.

format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Zaara

Don't be ridicilous. That was posted in answer to sister Jazzy and not to anything else, and was not about being for or against Islamic world domination, gosh.

edit: Ah, so you got it cleared. Elhamdulillah.

I apologize if you don't think so!
But as I got from all your posts ,I thought that maybe you are against it!
Again sorry......don't get angry so quickly!

Just read Fishman's post. I cannot add anything more to it.

Don't you know that Allah is capable for everythng???
He is the BEST of PLANNER!

And about barney, in one of his post he spoke about nation of Finland, and I agree with him.

What do you agree with him?
That the MAP says:Finland is the enemy of ISLAM???
Can you find it on the MAP that states like this?!
Maybe you haven't even seen the MAP!
How easy he can trick you!

And if the brother wants, he can still explain why he posted it if anyone is confused.

No muslim is confused for this!Everyone gets, why I have posted this,if you are trully a Muslim...!

format_quote Originally Posted by ozdload

Have you guys ever wondered what it would be like for normal people to be suddenly brought under the umbrella of your so called World Domination . People who have for centuries practiced their own social mores are going to become criminals subject to the rigors of religious courts and other secret police of the type that watch over middle eastern countries as we speak. Women could not drive motor cars or be seen in public without tight restriction, images of Buddha would have to be machine gunned to death, people, supping alcohol would be beheaded, homosexuals could be beheaded, thieves would have their hands cut off, young women who have committed adultery ( in the eyes of some one else ) can be stoned to death,

You certainly give us something to aspire to...

Its plain and basic , u find all these rules difficult to be followed but are ready to live in an unsocial unethical society , naming it freedom. its but if u understand.

Some more thoughts:
1. Acording to Islamic prophecy, Islam will rule the world, and almost everybody will convert. Not because of force and weapons(although of course there will be wars), but because in the end times so many miracles will happen that the only people who reject it would be complete morons, what with the Dajjal, Isa (as) descending from the sky, barbarian tribes storming out from a 'gate' (I'm not really sure where it is, or even what it is), armies attacking the Muslims sinking under the ground etc. Given that kind of evidence, its hard to believe that anybody would reject Islam.

2. True, the Rashidun Caliphs did conquer a huge portion of the world (an area about the size of the Roman Empire in just thirty years). However, this was in the days of medieval war, which involved sharp metal sticks, wooden arrows and timber catapults that threw rocks. You could avoid causing unecessary suffering and oppression relatively easily. Only a few thousand people died in all the wars of the Prophet (peace be upon him), and those were mainly soldiers who had chosen to go to war themselves.
Today, however, is a world of air strikes, carpet bombing, naval guns and nuclear missiles. These can all kill countless thousands of civilians (women, kids and elderly folk included) even if they are targeted at millitary positions. In in the Iraq war, which is a rather minor war compared to something like WWII, tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands have died, mainy civilians. Wars of conquest cannot be accomplished without causing mass death and destruction any more.

World politics is also different today. In the age of the Arab Conquests, most of the world's countries were expansionistic empires, who would have done the same to the Muslims given the chance. Given that Rome and Persia both thought of conquest as grand and glorious, how could they critcise the Arabs for doing to them what they did to others to themselves?
In this day and age though, most countries want peace, not war, and don't really do anything to oppress Islam. Isn't there a verse which says to stop fighting if the enemy inclines to peace? Didn't the Prophet (peace be upon him) sign a peace treaty with his enemies?


3. The idea of a USI would be a good one though. If the Muslim countries were united in a single federation, there would be a number of advantages:

• No more inter-Islamic wars.
• Other countries would not be as able to impose their will on the Muslim world, there would be no more propping up of dictators or despots for instance.
• Muslims could work together against terrorism and ignorance rather than being divided into hundreds of different organisations with conflicting aims.
• A solution to the Israel-Palestine problem, provided that the USI wanted peace too. If Palestine, Gaza and Lebanon were part of a larger entity, then the Israelis would think twice before bombing them to bits. In return though, the USI could use its authority and power to bring non-governmental terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah under control. Another solution to the confict would be to incorporate Israel into the USI, but make the Jewish areas a 'Jewish Autonomous Zone', where Jews have special rights and protection, plus the right to emigrate their from other countries were they are persecuted.
• The USI could work together with the UN and the international community to solve social and political problems.
• the USI could use its millitary and political strength to help people who are being oppressed or ethnically-cleansed, such as Darfuris, the Burmese or the Zimbabweans.
• The USI would have more diverse natural resources, to be used to build the economy in a more sustainable way that just selling off oil to the highest bidder.

Nothing can unite people more than a common enemy.

It is fantasy to believe that the world will convert to Islam on its own accord. I say that as a Christian, yes, because I don't believe in Islamic prophecy, but also because Western society is a distinct entity that outdates Islam by many centuries. I mention that to point out what unites the Western world when it is attacked by a common enemy. Threats of an Islamic conquest aren't new.

Of course this all hinges on some united Islamic federation with intent to expand and conquer, which seems about as likely as Martian motherships attacking L.A. on Independence Day.

If the notion is some peaceful worldwide mass conversion on the basis of undeniable miracles...well, we'll see.

format_quote Originally Posted by Fishman

Some more thoughts:
1. Acording to Islamic prophecy, Islam will rule the world, and almost everybody will convert. Not because of force and weapons(although of course there will be wars), but because in the end times so many miracles will happen that the only people who reject it would be complete morons, what with the Dajjal, Isa (as) descending from the sky, barbarian tribes storming out from a 'gate' (I'm not really sure where it is, or even what it is), armies attacking the Muslims sinking under the ground etc. Given that kind of evidence, its hard to believe that anybody would reject Islam.

The barbarian tribes you're reffering to would be Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog), they will break free from Dhul Qurnain's iron wall between two mountains and will cause havoc

Surely ....a world of diversity is far more beautiful than a world of conformity?? Surely??

Our earth is so incredible because of the different religions, cultures, ways of life!

Despite the problems we have to deal with, I can't comprehend why anyone would want to rid the world of so much wonderous complexity and variation?

Does anyone agree with me?




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format_quote Originally Posted by Karina

Surely ....a world of diversity is far more beautiful than a world of conformity?? Surely??

Our earth is so incredible because of the different religions, cultures, ways of life!

Despite the problems we have to deal with, I can't comprehend why anyone would want to rid the world of so much wonderous complexity and variation?

Does anyone agree with me?




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Yes, I agree, Karina.

People are so diverse because God intended them to be so.

He also gave us the freedom to chose their way of life. If God gave us that freedom, I don't understand why humans (especially those who believe in that very God-given free will) should try to take it away from each other ...

Your post is a shining light in this thread, Karina.

format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77

The barbarian tribes you're reffering to would be Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog), they will break free from Dhul Qurnain's iron wall between two mountains and will cause havoc

I know who they are, and the story about the mountain gate. However, given that we have looked all over the world with satellites and haven't seen the place where they live, I think there must be something more to it. Maybe they are 'hidden' in some way?

Yes, I agree, Karina.

People are so diverse because God intended them to be so.

He also gave us the freedom to chose their way of life. If God gave us that freedom, I don't understand why humans (especially those who believe in that very God-given free will) should try to take it away from each other ...

Your post is a shining light in this thread, Karina.

Thank you Glo!

Everyone must agree to some extent how each religion enriches our world in terms of their traditions, dress, rituals, colours, art, buildings, architecture etc , everyone must surely have marvelled at some these things?

Without such variation we would lose all of this. And that is very sad.




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Who said under an Islamic state, other religions would be wiped out? There is no compulsion in religion. People convert to Islam in record numbers volitionally.. and in a time when the evangelists and Islamophobes are laying it on thick!

People just simply reflect and realize there is someting much more profound than the man/God with mother and a confused spirit, Buddha butter statues/ chosen people with Golden calfs/ death towers with deceased on stilts and six armed Gods in funny colors/ and blessings in the form of cow micturate!

That is really what it comes down to.. if that can be called wishful thinking.. then perhaps it is best to remove your head out of the sand because it is happening in your own backyard at record numbers!

cheers

format_quote Originally Posted by Fishman

I know who they are, and the story about the mountain gate. However, given that we have looked all over the world with satellites and haven't seen the place where they live, I think there must be something more to it. Maybe they are 'hidden' in some way?

yh I used to think about this aswell, quite interesting
but these are of the unseen, invisible to the eye and well hidden from us humans

format_quote Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine

Who said under an Islamic state, other religions would be wiped out? There is no compulsion in religion. People convert to Islam in record numbers volitionally.. and in a time when the evangelists and Islamophobes are laying it on thick!

People just simply reflect and realize there is someting much more profound than the man/God with mother and a confused spirit, Buddha butter statues/ chosen people with Golden calfs/ death towers with deceased on stilts and six armed Gods in funny colors/ and blessings in the form of cow micturate!

That is really what it comes down to.. if that can be called wishful thinking.. then perhaps it is best to remove your head out of the sand because it is happening in your own backyard at record numbers!

cheers

Yes there are people in West who convert to islam, others convert to judaism or become agnostics others who become christians again, especially that we talk about hundreds of millions of people living in the West. But we talk about few thousands who choose alternative "way of life". And still you seem to forget about the silent majority who wants to keep Europe european, America american and Australia asutralian, majority which is getting louder with every year.

They are indeed loud.. but that is as far as they can take their efforts..
all other 'conversions' are simply negligible in face of those who convert to Islam.. you may browse this forum to see various threads on record number of conversions especially last year in Germany..

cheers

format_quote Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine

Who said under an Islamic state, other religions would be wiped out? There is no compulsion in religion. People convert to Islam in record numbers volitionally.. and in a time when the evangelists and Islamophobes are laying it on thick!

People just simply reflect and realize there is someting much more profound than the man/God with mother and a confused spirit, Buddha butter statues/ chosen people with Golden calfs/ death towers with deceased on stilts and six armed Gods in funny colors/ and blessings in the form of cow micturate!

That is really what it comes down to.. if that can be called wishful thinking.. then perhaps it is best to remove your head out of the sand because it is happening in your own backyard at record numbers!

cheers

How lovely to hear from you.

For the record, I simply was following on from what Fishman said:

1. Acording to Islamic prophecy, Islam will rule the world, and almost everybody will convert.

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format_quote Originally Posted by Karina

How lovely to hear from you.

For the record, I simply was following on from what Fishman said:




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According to that prophecy.. Jesus (PBUH will descend, and will create a schism not of religion vs. religion but good vs evil.. in other words people will let go of whatever delusions they believe in on account he is right there to guide them!

When Allah wills that is indeed what will happen.. The world will change in a very impressive manner... surely if you mind can conceive that the world has changed very drastically just in the last 500 years, that it will yet again in the centuries to come? and Yet again, so in the end people shall return to paganism and religion will be removed from the world so that even atheists and agnostics can have their glory!


cheers

format_quote Originally Posted by Karina

How lovely to hear from you.

For the record, I simply was following on from what Fishman said:




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I am not saying people will be forced to convert. People will willingly convert on account of obvious miracles that only a fool would deny. Its probably the same in Christianity, only with a Rapture to take the real believers up to Heaven so they won't suffer.

As for people's different cultures, did Islam wipe out the culture of the people who converted in the past? It changed them, yes, but they still maintained their old traditions and ways of life (excluding some that were against Islam). The Muslim world is not just a single block of arabised countries. The culture of Turkey is very different to the culture of Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, and the culture of African, Russian, Chinese and Indo-Malay Muslims is different from that. Maybe in the future there will be western Muslims who value the accomplishments of Newton, Rohl Dahl and Shakespeare just as much as Ibn Khaldun, Rumi or Avveroes? Some would say there all ready are...