Thinker, what does repeating party line mean. I have so much respect for those who cover up for Allah, and what I posted is what I feel
Originally Posted by TKTony
wearing hijab to please Allah can only be good thing, to choose modesty and take yourself out of the public eye for Him is a beuatiful thing and requires strength. May Allah bless those who choose to cover up
My response . . . . . You're just repeating the party line!!
‘Repeating the party line’ comes from politics whereby a political party will do something or say something and issue a statement to its members to say “ . . . . . . . . . . “ if asked why they did or said that.
In this instance your reason why the Mulsimah must wear hijab isn’t based upon agreed valid Islamic text or your own research, it is (I suspect) something which you have been taught.
Will someone to show me some a verse in the Qu’ran or even an hadith from the companions that says that a woman’s head hair is the or even a principal feature of beauty?
Any tell me why a Muslimah’s eyes aren’t covered as they are a mentioned as principal feature of beauty?
And why Muslimah’s do not follow the Sunnah by wearing the style of head-cover that Muhammad approved of as was worn by his wives?
AND as a matter of interest, I would much like to know
When did that distinctive style that we see today and describe as the hijab first appear?
“And tell the believing women to lower their eyes, and guard their modesty, and that they display not their ornaments except what appears of them. And that they draw their scarves (khumurihinna) over their bosoms…” (An-Nur: 31)
The word used in this context is khumur which has been variously translated as veils or scarves; the latter is more precise for it is the plural of khimar, which has been defined as “a woman’s head covering; a piece of cloth with which a woman covers her head.” (See Ibn Manzur, Lisan al-`Arab.)
“And tell the believing women to lower their eyes, and guard their modesty, and that they display not their ornaments except what appears of them. And that they draw their scarves (khumurihinna) over their bosoms…” (An-Nur: 31)
The word used in this context is khumur which has been variously translated as veils or scarves; the latter is more precise for it is the plural of khimar, which has been defined as “a woman’s head covering; a piece of cloth with which a woman covers her head.” (See Ibn Manzur, Lisan al-`Arab.)
Thak you for the explanation and description of the covering that should be worn. A description that does not fit that of the hijab, hence I ask why Muslimah’s do not follow the Sunnah by wearing the style of head-cover that Muhammad approved of as was worn by his wives, one that can be drawn across their face and eyes when they feel the ned to protect their modesty?
you really are a show thinker. its like your sharia law thread. what a joke!!!
[al-Waaqi’ah 56:22, 23]
al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him)said:
“And (there will be) Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes”. Al-Hawra’ is a woman in whose eyes are lined with kohl, beautiful and bright. Al-‘iyn refers to beautiful and huge eyes. The beauty of eyes in the female is one of the greatest signs of beauty.
“Like unto preserved pearls” means, as if they are pure, white, shining pearls, which are covered and protected from people’s eyes, the wind and the sun. Their colour is one of the most beautiful of colours and they have no fault or blemish of any kind. This is how al-hoor al-‘iyn are: they have no faults of blemishes of any kind, rather they are beautiful in all ways.
hes referring to the women of paradise how many women of this earth have eyes like that!!! scarp that, how many women on earth look like what was described?
Any tell me why a Muslimah’s eyes aren’t covered as they are a mentioned as principal feature of beauty?
i dunno you tell me. what would happen if a person was to cover their eyes!
Last edited by Ummu Sufyaan; 04-21-2009 at 10:29 AM.
...desperate for husnul-khitaam...
please make dua that Allah grants me a good end (to my life). please make dua that Allah guides me.
you really are a show thinker. its like your sharia law thread. what a joke!!!
Joke – please tell me what I said that you find funny?
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed
hes referring to the women of paradise how many women of this earth have eyes like that!!! scarp that, how many women on earth look like what was described?
I know that. It was suggested that the reason the hijab is worn was to satisfy the requirements of verse 24:31, specifically to - guard their modesty; not display their beauty and ornaments. The question followed – “where in lslamic text is it stated that head hair is a principal feature of women’s beauty or that displaying hair is an act of immodesty. In the absence of a reply, I posted the verse describing the al-hoor al-‘iyn as, it seems logically to follow that as they are the most beautiful of women and particular reference is made of their eyes (not their hair) it seems reasonable to presume that it is eyes not hair that is the principal feature of beauty in women. So what’s funny about that? When you’ve stopped laughing perhaps you could have a go at answering my questions. . . . . . . . .
Show me some a verse in the Qu’ran or even an hadith from the companions that says that a woman’s head hair is the or even a principal feature of beauty?
Why aren’t a Muslimah’s eyes aren’t covered as they are a mentioned as principal feature of beauty?
Why Muslimah’s do not follow the Sunnah by wearing the style of head-cover that Muhammad approved of as was worn by his wives?
AND as a matter of interest, I would much like to know
When did that distinctive style that we see today worn by Muslimah’s in the west and describe as the hijab first appear?
Who invented it?
PS I know hijab can be used as a general term to describe any type of head covering but (I suggest) in common day use in the west it means a head, ears and neck covering garment.
Joke – please tell me what I said that you find funny?
your integrity perhaps?
I know that.
well actually you dont seem to at all, otherwise you would have seen right through my point, which you don't seem to want to look into.
it is referring to the eyes of the women of paradise, not earth. you even posted an interpretation of the verse, which quite clearly haven't read.
It was suggested that the reason the hijab is worn was to satisfy the requirements of verse 24:31, specifically to - guard their modesty; not display their beauty and ornaments.
The question followed – “where in lslamic text is it stated that head hair is a principal feature of women’s beauty or that displaying hair is an act of immodesty.
it doesn't actually have to because you see the very quote you have so eagerly posted confirms that that a womans hair is part of her beauty-as i have higlighted-, hence her need to cover it up.
i hope this clear to you now.
So what’s funny about that? When you’ve stopped laughing perhaps you could have a go at answering my questions
when you open your mind a little, maybe you can see that i am.
Why aren’t a Muslimah’s eyes aren’t covered as they are a mentioned as principal feature of beauty?
only after you tell me what would happen if someone was to cover their eyes.
Why Muslimah’s do not follow the Sunnah by wearing the style of head-cover that Muhammad approved of as was worn by his wives?
ignorance?
AND as a matter of interest, I would much like to know
When did that distinctive style that we see today worn by Muslimah’s in the west and describe as the hijab first appear?
Who invented it?[
im not sure, you seem to know though, perhaps you could tell us.
...desperate for husnul-khitaam...
please make dua that Allah grants me a good end (to my life). please make dua that Allah guides me.
You say that my integrity is a joke, produce the evidence or reveal yourself as scurrilous for making unfounded accusations.
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed
well actually you dont seem to at all, otherwise you would have seen right through my point, which you don't seem to want to look into. it is referring to the eyes of the women of paradise, not earth. you even posted an interpretation of the verse, which quite clearly haven't read.
So show me some evidence from Islamic text that hair is a principal feature of a woman’s beauty
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed
it doesn't actually have to because you see the very quote you have so eagerly posted confirms that that a womans hair is part of her beauty-as i have higlighted-, hence her need to cover it up.
What are you talking about – there is no mention of hair!!
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed
when you open your mind a little, maybe you can see that i am.
I think you should look to yourself before suggesting I am not open minded.
AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu
Lets not forget about Taqwa!!
Opposite genders ARE seperated.
One wont be staring(gaze!) at the oppposite genders anyway. Hence wont be looking at them let alone their eyes. Allah is Al-'Adl (The Just)
In English language words changes all the time; their words lose their meanings and maybe even take new ones. i.e In Islam modesty/beauty means a lot more than what the west like it to be! Moreover your moral standards are different than others. For yourself beauty/modesty means something different than what i think.
All these questions, are great, they are questions some of us muslims know and other we dont. Lets not forget at one time the earth was flat. Never will a mankind be smarter than the creator.
If one has taqwa, if one believes in the Allah (Subhana WaTa'ala)'s commandmants, then one surrenders.
Allah (Subhana WaTa'ala) knows whats best for us. And when humans trully accept that, these questions become irrelevant. A Muslims only goal in life is to reach Jannah. Hijab is about modesty and.....
"Al-Hayaa (modesty & bashfulness) is from Imam (belief) and Imam is in Al-Jannah (the Paradise)." [At-Tirmidhi - Saheeh]
Would you like to give up Jannah, because you wanna show your hair..........
"Of the people of Hell there are two types whom I have never seen, the one possessing whips like the tail of an Ox and they flog people with them. The second one, women who would be naked in spite of their being dressed, who are seduced (to wrong paths) and seduce others. Their hair is high like the humps (of camels). These women would not get into Al-Jannah (the Paradise) and they would not perceive its odor, although its fragrance can be perceived from such and such a distance." [Saheeh Muslim]
Whatever I have written that is true is from Allah alone while anything that is false is from myself and shaytan. Subhanaka Allahummah wa bihamdika, ash hadu an la illaha illa anta, astaghfiruka wa atuboo ilayk
Show me some a verse in the Qu’ran or even an hadith from the companions that says that a woman’s head hair is the or even a principal feature of beauty?
Read this post and your Question should be answered
Why aren’t a Muslimah’s eyes aren’t covered as they are a mentioned as principal feature of beauty?
Some dont think it is important some dont want to some dont like it who knows why we will leave that to Allah to judge them
Why Muslimah’s do not follow the Sunnah by wearing the style of head-cover that Muhammad approved of as was worn by his wives?
style was to to cover up this is not a fashion just cover up what ever a women wears as long as it is covering it is hijab if what they wear today covers them up it is hijab
AND as a matter of interest, I would much like to know
When did that distinctive style that we see today worn by Muslimah’s in the west and describe as the hijab first appear?
What does it matter it doesnt it is hijab and it covers that is what matters .
Who invented it?
dont know and or care it covers
PS I know hijab can be used as a general term to describe any type of head covering but (I suggest) in common day use in the west it means a head, ears and neck covering garment.
well it sure seems as you dont but any way i will not waste another min with you on this topic if you want look at all previous post and all you Question should be answered as it seems you keep repating your self
"The Human being is an enemy to what he is ignorant of"
In English language words changes all the time; their words lose their meanings and maybe even take new ones. i.e In Islam modesty/beauty means a lot more than what the west like it to be! Moreover your moral standards are different than others. For yourself beauty/modesty means something different than what i think.
I agree, meanings of words change and not only in the English language. But hair is hair and nobody has suggested that hair meant something different and nobody has shown me any text stating that displaying head hair is immodest or flaunting beauty. And, nobody has countered my suggestion that the best example of covering is that worn by the Prophets wives and that was NOT in the style of the modern day hijab.
I have consequrntly formed the view that wearing the hijab has got nothing to do with guarding modesty or complying with verse 24:31 but is done to distinguish the Muslim from the unbelievers. . . . . . .
Her clothing must not resemble the clothing of the unbelievers. This is a general ruling of the ‘Sharia’h which encompasses not only dress but also such things as manners, customs, religious practices and festivities, transactions, etc. Indeed, dissimilarity with unbelievers is a precedent that was established by the first generation of Islam.
‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr ibn Al-’Aas said, “The Prophet (saw) saw me wearing two saffron colored garments, so he said: “Indeed, these are the clothes of ‘Kuffar’ (unbelievers), so do not wear them.” [Sahih Muslim]
well it sure seems as you dont but any way i will not waste another min with you on this topic if you want look at all previous post and all you Question should be answered as it seems you keep repating your self
Sorry about that - couldn't you just show me where it says that displaying hair is immodest?
In this instance your reason why the Mulsimah must wear hijab isn’t based upon agreed valid Islamic text or your own research, it is (I suspect) something which you have been taught.[/QUOTE]
Thinker I am not sure about Muslimah must wear hijab, although understand why they should, but coming from an area that is very openly prejudiced against women that do wear hijab, I just really respect them. Its not something i have been taught but honestly my own opinion. I would not consider a woman who does not wear hujab to be less pious than those who do, but it is such a strong statement of faith to wear it.
"O ye who belive! Endure, outdo all others in endurance, be ready, and observe your duty to Allah, in order that you may succeed"
Bro TKTony, It IS an obligation to wear the hijab!
"...that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof..." (24:31)
Scholars from the major legal schools (madhahib) Imam Abu Bakr Jassas, Hanafi scholar: "Our scholars say that this [exemption] denotes the woman's face and hands"
Imam Abu Abdullah Qurtubi, Maliki scholar: "Since the normal case is that a womanï's face and hands are revealed by the force of habit and for worship, as this is required in salat and hajj, then it is appropriate to say that the exemption [in 24:31] applies to these"
Imam Fakhr ad-Din Razi, Shafi'i scholar: "Since the showing of the face and hands is necessary, the jurists had no choice but to agree that they are not awra"
Imam Ahmad ibn Qudama, Hanbali scholar: "[I prefer this opinion] because necessity demands that the face should be uncovered for buying and selling, and the hands should be uncovered for giving and taking"
Imam Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm, Zahiri scholar: "The part of the woman's body which has to be concealed is the whole of it except her face and her hands"
Therefore "Ordinarily appear" means ONLY face and hands......
Ask yourself if one is only allowed to show face and hands, would you be able to see the hair?
You say that my integrity is a joke, produce the evidence or reveal yourself as scurrilous for making unfounded accusations.
no need to, you've already done that your self!
So show me some evidence from Islamic text that hair is a principal feature of a woman’s beauty
i have, but yet again you don't wish to see it.
look, ill be nice and explain it one more time:
you don't need for something to be specifically mentioned, in order for that thing to be known.
i mean go read some poems for example. so many times the poet would describe something without specifically mentioning it, but by his/her descriptions of that thing, the reader knows what he/she is saying.
but im glad you have finally understood why her eyes aren't to be covered!
What are you talking about – there is no mention of hair!!
i didnt say it did! their beauty, obviously includes their hair, otherwise no need to cover it.
I think you should look to yourself before suggesting I am not open minded.
been there done that.
...desperate for husnul-khitaam...
please make dua that Allah grants me a good end (to my life). please make dua that Allah guides me.
[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][I][COLOR=SeaGreen]Peace....
Bro TKTony, It IS an obligation to wear the hijab!
Listing so called 'scholars' who say it is obligatory isn't good enough (for me) as I am sure there are scholars who would disagree.
From my own research I concluded that it is not obligatory for Muslimah to cover her hair, I have presented that argument in this thread please tell me where my argument is wrong by showing me a verse of the Qu'ran that suggests that displaying hair contravenes 24:31 or any other verse. If you don't know ask those scholars that you list who say it is obligatory to show you (me) the evidence.
Listing so called 'scholars' who say it is obligatory isn't good enough (for me) as I am sure there are scholars who would disagree.
From my own research I concluded that it is not obligatory for Muslimah to cover her hair, I have presented that argument in this thread please tell me where my argument is wrong by showing me a verse of the Qu'ran that suggests that displaying hair contravenes 24:31 or any other verse. If you don't know ask those scholars that you list who say it is obligatory to show you (me) the evidence.
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