Re-read my posts, none of my posts have argued for anyone to take of their hijab. I have argued for truth and have suggested hypocrisy. If anything I have argued that, if you believe the interpretations of the hadith quoted here, the Muslimah should cover her face including her eyes. And I have argued that because there is no agreed Islamic text which specifically defines hair as the principal feature of beauty the hijab is not worn to cover beauty and promote modesty it is worn to comply with requirement to be different from non-believers . . . .
Her clothing must not resemble the clothing of the unbelievers. This is a general ruling of the ‘Sharia’h which encompasses not only dress but also such things as manners, customs, religious practices and festivities, transactions, etc. Indeed, dissimilarity with unbelievers is a precedent that was established by the first generation of Islam.
‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr ibn Al-’Aas said, “The Prophet (saw) saw me wearing two saffron colored garments, so he said: “Indeed, these are the clothes of ‘Kuffar’ (unbelievers), so do not wear them.” [Sahih Muslim]
This thread started with a video and a woman being interviewed giving reasons why she wore the hijab and later posts suggesting it was to comply with Sura 24:31. I have argued as above and 8 pages later NOBODY has produced anythingto counter my argument. You (all) have been brainwashed into believing that covering your hair is what is required to comply with 24:31. My argument is measured and logical, you don’t like my argument and because you can’t produce anything to counter it you get angry with me and start issuing insults calling me anti-Islamic etc.
PS. When I use the word ‘you,’ here I don’t mean you in particular I mean all of those who posted here telling me that wearing the hijab was to comply with 24:31
Peace!
Brainwashed? hmmmm. More like you are not prepared to understand what is being said.
Wearing the hijab DOES comply with 24:31. This verse is the agreed islamic text. Try actually reading the posts.
Inadition to the hadith. It does not goes against the verse. As the verse is a command. Its simply what u have to do. The hadith sets out a requirement which must be fulfilled.
An example is, if all the kuffars started wearing the hijab, would that mean all the Muslimah have to take off the hijab to comply with the Hadith? And the answer is No. Because Muslimah have to meet the 1st and foremost requirment i.e the extent of the covering ( everything except the hands and face).
Does not have to specifically mention hair..... post #92
Beauty is the reason for the hijab i.e 1st quote on post #75
Wearing the hijab DOES comply with 24:31. This verse is the agreed islamic text. Try actually reading the posts.
Some Islamic scholars have defined "ordinarily appear" as face and hands, none have suggested that hair is principal feature of beauty and that covering it is required modesty. And, there are Islamic scholars who define it differently. In my opinion the reason they define what is required as the hijab is because they know that if they defined it as the burka 90% of muslimahs living in the west wouldn’t wear it.
Islamic text also states . . . . . Ibn ‘Umar who said that the Messenger of Allaah (pbuh) said: “Be different from the mushrikeen: let your beards grow and trim your moustaches,” but what percentage of muslim men in the west adhere to that and why?
let me summarize my position, which I still think is very straightforward.
In the qur'an it is ordered that the muslim women should extend their scarves down to their bosoms. this doesn't mean their bosoms need to be covered, this means their bosoms, as well, need to be covered. thus, by a direct order from qur'an covering hair is fard. a must.
there is a big difference between sunnah and fard. not letting the beard grow is considered as "leaving a sunnah" by a considerable amount of scholars, and also one of the four madhabs.
Also, by the reasoning given in the hadiith, and the relevant verses, some scholars put the weight of the issue in "being different". and as there are already many people wearing similar beards (like, say, amish people) beard is not distinctive.
the headscarf issue, is not similar. there is a much bigger consensus on that issue, than many others. it speaks for something.
Come, let's all be fellows, make life easy on ourselves
let us love, and be loved, no one will have the world for themselves.
Some Islamic scholars have defined "ordinarily appear" as face and hands, none have suggested that hair is principal feature of beauty and that covering it is required modesty. And, there are Islamic scholars who define it differently. In my opinion the reason they define what is required as the hijab is because they know that if they defined it as the burka 90% of muslimahs living in the west wouldn’t wear it.
Islamic text also states . . . . . Ibn ‘Umar who said that the Messenger of Allaah (pbuh) said: “Be different from the mushrikeen: let your beards grow and trim your moustaches,” but what percentage of muslim men in the west adhere to that and why?
Peace!
Again, your avoiding my answer. Lets try one more time.
If i ask you to cover yourself and only showing you hands and face, would you be able to show your hair?
For a women everything is her awruh except the hands and the face.
Yes, we are all entitled to opinions, however, what research have conducted to suggest its 90%? Anyways i surely aint giving my opinion, i dont care what my heart thinks, i only care what Islam commands me to do, i am simply stating what i believe the quran and hadith says. I aint no scholar, with a lifetimes experience and knowledge.
Regarding men in the west........There is a clear distinction between Islam and Muslim......
Islam is quintessential of Life, its fantastic, its perfect, its total and complete submission to . If one implements from A to Z, its all there in the text Allah (SubhaanAllah WaTa'ala)
Muslims are imperfect and weak. They are constantly trying to surrender to Allah (SubhaanAllah WaTa'ala)
Lets not compare what any muslims do and say. Lets only focus on what Islam has to say, as well as the bestest example to mankind... The Last and Final Messenger (SalAllahu Alayhi WaSalam). Lets see the way He (SalAllahu Alayhi WaSalam) lived his life.
I only benchmark myself with Him (SalAllahu Alayhi WaSalam), i do not follow what the men in the west.
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