I watched both videos. The first one was pointless. The second one was revealing, the woman wearing the hijab said she wore it because she believed it pleased God and she also didn’t want to be judged by the way she looked. Covering your hair stops people judging you from the way you look – NO IT DOESN’T; wearing a hijab causes people to judge you by the way you look – YES IT DOES. The woman not wearing any head covering said that wearing a hijab is not mentioned in the Qu’ran (and it’s not) she was shouted down by the woman in the hijab. The woman wearing the niqab didn’t seem to sure about why she was wearing, she said that she didn’t think it was obligatory but some others do and she wearing it would make it less likely that she’d get unwanted attention from men.
I watched both videos. The first one was pointless. The second one was revealing, the woman wearing the hijab said she wore it because she believed it pleased God and she also didn’t want to be judged by the way she looked. Covering your hair stops people judging you from the way you look – NO IT DOESN’T; wearing a hijab causes people to judge you by the way you look – YES IT DOES. The woman not wearing any head covering said that wearing a hijab is not mentioned in the Qu’ran (and it’s not) she was shouted down by the woman in the hijab. The woman wearing the niqab didn’t seem to sure about why she was wearing, she said that she didn’t think it was obligatory but some others do and she wearing it would make it less likely that she’d get unwanted attention from men.
thinker less thinking more researching pls Quran does say to cover up
59. O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft*Forgiving, Most Merciful.
quran 33 59
[24:31] And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to GOD, O you believers, that you may succeed.
Dawud :: Book 32 : Hadith 4090
Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin:
When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.
Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 282:
Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba:
'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and COVERED THEIR FACES WITH THE CUT PIECES
And to please Allah is the best answer sorry you dont see that
May Allah GUIDE YOU Ameen
Last edited by أبو سليمان عمر; 04-19-2009 at 07:26 PM.
"The Human being is an enemy to what he is ignorant of"
I thought the second one was interesting. The ladies keeper their calm : ).
The women without the hijab really made me mad. My beans, she said "integrate" one million times. She basically implied that holding different opinions and beliefs creates a barrier. Obviously, but that barrier is better than conforming to whatever singular belief that we should have to wear polos and shop at Express or Banana Republic. Talk about extreme conformity.
The other word she used was "exclusive" yes different beliefs do separate people, but just the fact of separation shouldn't be a reason we should give up one's beliefs. As if she doesn't want to distinguish herself and be proud of her differing beliefs.
Last edited by transition?; 04-19-2009 at 08:19 PM.
thinker less thinking more researching pls Quran does say to cover up
59. O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft*Forgiving, Most Merciful.
quran 33 59
No it doesn't . . . . . .
Sura 24:31 And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms..." [Abdullah Yusuf Ali]
In arabic the verse is:
وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِهِنَّ
which is transliterated as
wal yudribna bikumurihinna alaa juyubihin.
Khimaar comes from the word khamr, the root meaning of which is to cover.
For example, the Muhammed said: “Khammiru aaniyatakum (cover your vessels).” Everything that covers something else is called its khimaar. In common usage khimaar has come to be used as a name for the garment with which arab woman use to drape over their shoulders and can pull it up to cover the top of their head.
Imam Abu Abdullah Qurtubi said: "Women in those days used to cover their heads with the khimar, throwing its ends upon their backs. This left the neck and the upper part of the chest bare, along with the ears, in the manner of the Christians. Then Allah commanded them to cover those parts with the khimar."
Imam Abu'l-Fida ibn Kathir said: "'Draw their khumur to cover their bosoms' means that they should wear the khimar in such a way that they cover their chests so that they will be different from the women of the jahiliyyah who did not do that but would pass in front of men with their chests uncovered and with their necks, forelocks, hair and earrings uncovered."
It seem to me that there is nothing in the verse to compel women to cover their heads and anything that makes it compulsory is a rule of man (not woman) that came later.
So show me where the word hijab is mentiond in the Qu'ran?
I watched both videos. The first one was pointless. The second one was revealing, the woman wearing the hijab said she wore it because she believed it pleased God and she also didn’t want to be judged by the way she looked. Covering your hair stops people judging you from the way you look – NO IT DOESN’T; wearing a hijab causes people to judge you by the way you look – YES IT DOES. The woman not wearing any head covering said that wearing a hijab is not mentioned in the Qu’ran (and it’s not) she was shouted down by the woman in the hijab. The woman wearing the niqab didn’t seem to sure about why she was wearing, she said that she didn’t think it was obligatory but some others do and she wearing it would make it less likely that she’d get unwanted attention from men.
I thought the video was lacking.
"private parts" loses its translation in English, but in in the ayat, private parts of a woman are meant to be more than just what most nonMuslims (and that woman, which just speaks loads of how much she's studied those ayats, which is a shame she's speaking on the behalf of Islam, morenoike her ignorance) think it is -- the reproductive area and bosom.
Sura 24:31 And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms..." [Abdullah Yusuf Ali]
In arabic the verse is:
وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِهِنَّ
which is transliterated as
wal yudribna bikumurihinna alaa juyubihin.
Khimaar comes from the word khamr, the root meaning of which is to cover.
For example, the Muhammed said: “Khammiru aaniyatakum (cover your vessels).” Everything that covers something else is called its khimaar. In common usage khimaar has come to be used as a name for the garment with which arab woman use to drape over their shoulders and can pull it up to cover the top of their head.
Imam Abu Abdullah Qurtubi said: "Women in those days used to cover their heads with the khimar, throwing its ends upon their backs. This left the neck and the upper part of the chest bare, along with the ears, in the manner of the Christians. Then Allah commanded them to cover those parts with the khimar."
Imam Abu'l-Fida ibn Kathir said: "'Draw their khumur to cover their bosoms' means that they should wear the khimar in such a way that they cover their chests so that they will be different from the women of the jahiliyyah who did not do that but would pass in front of men with their chests uncovered and with their necks, forelocks, hair and earrings uncovered."
It seem to me that there is nothing in the verse to compel women to cover their heads and anything that makes it compulsory is a rule of man (not woman) that came later.
So show me where the word hijab is mentiond in the Qu'ran?
There. It's indirectly there.
Should I seek a source of law other than God, when it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (Qur'an) fully explained? And those whom We have given them the Book know that it has been sent down from the Lord with truth, so be not of those in doubt.
Sura 24:31 And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms..." [Abdullah Yusuf Ali]
In arabic the verse is:
وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِهِنَّ
which is transliterated as
wal yudribna bikumurihinna alaa juyubihin.
Khimaar comes from the word khamr, the root meaning of which is to cover.
For example, the Muhammed said: “Khammiru aaniyatakum (cover your vessels).” Everything that covers something else is called its khimaar. In common usage khimaar has come to be used as a name for the garment with which arab woman use to drape over their shoulders and can pull it up to cover the top of their head.
Imam Abu Abdullah Qurtubi said: "Women in those days used to cover their heads with the khimar, throwing its ends upon their backs. This left the neck and the upper part of the chest bare, along with the ears, in the manner of the Christians. Then Allah commanded them to cover those parts with the khimar."
Imam Abu'l-Fida ibn Kathir said: "'Draw their khumur to cover their bosoms' means that they should wear the khimar in such a way that they cover their chests so that they will be different from the women of the jahiliyyah who did not do that but would pass in front of men with their chests uncovered and with their necks, forelocks, hair and earrings uncovered."
It seem to me that there is nothing in the verse to compel women to cover their heads and anything that makes it compulsory is a rule of man (not woman) that came later.
So show me where the word hijab is mentiond in the Qu'ran?
Hijaab in Arabic means covering or concealing. Hijaab is the name of something that is used to cover. Everything that comes between two things is hijaab.
Hijaab means everything that is used to cover something and prevent anyone from reaching it, such as curtains, door keepers and garments, etc.
Khimaar comes from the word khamr, the root meaning of which is to cover. For example, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Khammiru aaniyatakum (cover your vessels).” Everything that covers something else is called its khimaar.
But in common usage khimaar has come to be used as a name for the garment with which a woman covers her head; in some cases this does not go against the linguistic meaning of khimaar.
Some of the fuqahaa’ have defined it as that which covers the head, the temples and the neck.
The difference between the hijaab and the khimaar is that the hijaab is something which covers all of a woman’s body, whilst the khimaar in general is something with which a woman covers her head
"The Human being is an enemy to what he is ignorant of"
that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof
There will be varying opinions of what 'must appear' as this specific translation says.
Do you think hair is not part of beauty?
Should I seek a source of law other than God, when it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (Qur'an) fully explained? And those whom We have given them the Book know that it has been sent down from the Lord with truth, so be not of those in doubt.
I watched both videos. The first one was pointless. The second one was revealing, the woman wearing the hijab said she wore it because she believed it pleased God and she also didn’t want to be judged by the way she looked. Covering your hair stops people judging you from the way you look – NO IT DOESN’T; wearing a hijab causes people to judge you by the way you look – YES IT DOES. The woman not wearing any head covering said that wearing a hijab is not mentioned in the Qu’ran (and it’s not) she was shouted down by the woman in the hijab. The woman wearing the niqab didn’t seem to sure about why she was wearing, she said that she didn’t think it was obligatory but some others do and she wearing it would make it less likely that she’d get unwanted attention from men.
What video did you watch mate?!?!...because the woman in the middle had inadequate knowledge about Islam to even be on this sort of discussion she probably jumped on this opportunity as a way for her to impress the westerner by siding with them on an issue that is clear
but listen take these three women as participants in a spiritual run consisting of a track that has a certain distance if any one person reaches that distance he/she has automatically won.....so contestant A reaches the endpoint and wins,contestant B hesitantly stays behind arguing that the spectators are going to laugh at her, contestant C ran to the endpoint but also carried on further to an extra finish point where only those who persevere reach
contestant A:hijab
contestant B: no hijab
contestant C: niqaab
[Quran15:24] To Us are known those of you who hasten forward, and those who lag behind.
I think we should post on articles on what scholars have researched from hadith and Quran.. on what exactly is the awrah of a woman, rather than what we think is beauty.
I think the most beautiful part is the face, including the eyes, so I'll have to for for the burqa. what about you?
Hello.
May I quote the verse again. ... EXCEPT...
Should I seek a source of law other than God, when it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (Qur'an) fully explained? And those whom We have given them the Book know that it has been sent down from the Lord with truth, so be not of those in doubt.
I think we should post on articles on what scholars have researched from hadith and Quran.. on what exactly is the awrah of a woman, rather than what we think is beauty.
Why the face (must ordinarily) appear thereof and the hair not?
As I said there's varying opinion on that. You research it yourself if you're intent on finding out the truth. Have a think about it.
Should I seek a source of law other than God, when it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (Qur'an) fully explained? And those whom We have given them the Book know that it has been sent down from the Lord with truth, so be not of those in doubt.
There si nos cholarly consensus as to what is obligatory so I'd eb stuck.
Look for the ones with the must Daleel (proof)
AND use what Allah Has giving us to decide
daleel + brain = answer
what is proof? Quran and Sunnah (hadiths) hope this helps
"The Human being is an enemy to what he is ignorant of"
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