Diary of a Badman.

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

YES, I agree they don't have role models. So they jump onto any monkey business they find that is appealing.

I see your point, really I do. But (there's always a but), I honestly think the problem is not with the monkey business they find appealing, the problem is with the people in the children's lives not teaching them a better way.

Nope. I never said that. I was referring to the ego as the wolf bro. Not Humza. Sorry for not being clear on that.

No problem.

I don't know if I would have been allowed to be honest.

Same here. Although you still would have at least known a kid who'd uploaded YouTube videos.

But hey, you can't deny the fact that today most kids want to be "recognised" and hunger after all the pop culture they are exposed to. If they can somehow get a chance to showcase themselves (youtube) then they will - but do they recognise the danger in this?

I agree. The greater concern here, to me, is this 'Instant Celebrity' culture as a whole. Kids are exposed to things like X-Factor and Britain's Got Talent, which contributes to this sense of unhealthy competition and potentially ruins children's personalities by giving them a false sense of entitlement. In that sense, YouTube is one part of the larger problem.

Let's take a look at the teen girl in the video, Indecently exposing a bit more than a shoulder and acting like a sick fan to boot. Do you think she cares what I think? or what her peer group thinks?

I'm going to sound like a terrible person, but honestly, I've seen worse in real life. I hope the people in their lives step in to guide them.

The underlying factor remains, that it was Humza who "inspired" these kids to their nonsense. He needs to know what kind of influence he holds over them, and tone down his show with less stupidity and more reality, with a longer, more in depth message to boot.

This is exactly the kind of constructive criticism you need to share with Humza.

He'll get the respect that way and maybe even create a new method of delivery, as opposed to his clownish one that sponsors homosexual, violent, sexist and zenophobic attitudes primarily - before his 30 second thought of the day... come to think of it - there are less and less of those "thoughts of the day" type moments on his videos now.

Did you see the facebook episode? Utterly stupid with no message in it at all - just curses and disses.

Like I said, it's not really to my taste (though I liked that one where his friend was obsessed with a chicken burger), so I wouldn't know about the content of his latest videos.

format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin

Same here. Although you still would have at least known a kid who'd uploaded YouTube videos.

Granted. I myself make youtube videos (facepalm pending) but nnot of that nature. Thank Allah.

I was going to quote post each individual point you bought up, but I'll just cut to the chase and say I agree with all of your last post.

Insha-Allah, If I get the chance to meet Humza, I will try to present him these options. Ameen.

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

I highly doubt it has anything to do with personality tastes - this guy has made a mockery out of Islam. I don't see him as a good influence at all. let me prove it.

Attacking his imaan? he did that all by himself when he waxed lyrical about this:

"On facebook I will poke your mum"
"I made an app about your aunties mustache"
"expect a spinning bird kick on your mums chin"

Sure - this qualifies for Imaan in your book right bro? COme on, surely even you can see that this guy is a hypocritical sod. Makes a video full of nonsense and at the end he sometimes says a nice word... and that is dawah? No... that so isn't dawah. That is just heedlessness.

Scimi

Dude, that's not making a 'mockery out of Islam', that's making fun of people that 'poke' ppl on FB, women with mustaches (nothing religious) and the same with the last one. I don't think you actually understand the video - he's not playing himself in the video, he's playing a character and is using that character's story as he develops into a more mature person.

Don't take things out of proportion in your zealousness, even though it is well intentioned. Is the video the best out there? No. Is it something I'd want kids watching? Probably not. Did I like them? Not too much. But is he mocking the religion and the Prophet (saw)? Obviously not. Is there some level of good in there, small lessons? Yes.

Be just in your criticism.

I don't have a problem with you criticizing the content. Feel free, and you might be right for a lot of it. But I have a problem when people fail to distinguish criticizing content and criticizing a person's relationship with God. No one has the right to do that.

This is where you and I differ then.

The aplogists will always split hairs over the issue - granted.

Did you even see that video which I referred to? He did in no way mention any nice last final word... he just walked off like a clown badman.

I fail to see how 14 mins of foolishness and 30 seconds of advice will somehow change youngsters for the better. Has it worked? Just look art the fanboy vids for proof, and it spells itself out really.

The fact remains that people on this very thread have claimed he has done some good for the youth - I still have to see the evidence. I've provided mine - but everyone else just provides opinion.

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

This is where you and I differ then.

The aplogists will always split hairs over the issue - granted.

Did you even see that video which I referred to? He did in no way mention any nice last final word... he just walked off like a clown badman.

I fail to see how 14 mins of foolishness and 30 seconds of advice will somehow change youngsters for the better. Has it worked? Just look art the fanboy vids for proof, and it spells itself out really.

The fact remains that people on this very thread have claimed he has done some good for the youth - I still have to see the evidence. I've provided mine - but everyone else just provides opinion.

Scimi

It might benefit someone - because not everyone's hearts are the same. It's important to realize that people are not all alike and they are affected by different things. What benefits you will not benefit another and vice versa.

Secondly, we're really good at criticizing people who are actually doing something, no matter what it is. I don't take that kind of criticism seriously when I hear it until the one criticizing is himself providing a better alternative than his object of criticism.

I am aiming to provide an avenue to a better alternative. I PMd him on youtube asking to meet up with him to discuss this. Awaiting a response.

Scimi

Jazak Allah for that eh?

Scimi

this was the guy's dream, i don't think it will b easy scimi =)
scroll to 5:30 if it's too long, you may understand what i mean.



the way i see it, he's just a lad who's grown up in the western conditioning process and acts like that, but does have a soft spot for Islam and in real life respects Muslims, but he is DAM* FUNNY i'll give him that - though he does sometimes get a bit stupid when joking about sensitive issues.
still, he's better than Ali G who seems to come out with more and more neo-con propaganda by the day

Oh gosh, this IS gonna be harder than I thought. The boy loves the attention a bit too much (facepalm)

Gonna have to go back to basics with him lol

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000

this was the guy's dream, i don't think it will b easy scimi =)
scroll to 5:30 if it's too long, you may understand what i mean.



the way i see it, he's just a lad who's grown up in the western conditioning process and acts like that, but does have a soft spot for Islam and in real life respects Muslims, but he is DAM* FUNNY i'll give him that - though he does sometimes get a bit stupid when joking about sensitive issues.
still, he's better than Ali G who seems to come out with more and more neo-con propaganda by the day

seeing that second half of the video made me sick to my stomach.


why? because he is dragging the muslim youth into a celebrity sculpted world. He is creating dangerous aspirations and leading young muslims towards a downward spiral.


may Allah guide this "BAD" man, he truelly is bad naudhubillaah

Ameen to the dua above, n i thinking we shouldnt waste tyme watching these kind of things, we should avoid dng things tht r laghh.

^ nicely said sis JazakAllah

I wonder what gives the people here the right to self righteously judge another Muslim...great job guys, you've just given him some of your good deeds in your arrogance.

The worst part is that you don't realize that when you're looking down on him and feeling that you're a better person by not watching his "bad" videos because he's a "bad" Muslim - that feeling is worse than anything he's doing even if you're masking it and justifying it to yourself by religiosity.

format_quote Originally Posted by Muraad

I wonder what gives the people here the right to self righteously judge another Muslim...great job guys, you've just given him some of your good deeds in your arrogance.

The worst part is that you don't realize that when you're looking down on him and feeling that you're a better person by not watching his "bad" videos because he's a "bad" Muslim - that feeling is worse than anything he's doing.

this is such an empty post. we have seen his actions and called him on it. If you saw my sins and called me on it I would take it into account. Infact many MANY MANY MANY MANY times I have committed great sins and the people around me have called me on it. So what? Does that make those people self righteous/judgemental? How comes i didnt see it that way. Does that make ME A BAD MUSLIM? YES

it made ME BAD to do the bad that THEY CALLED ME ON.

if they dont call me on it, maybe more around me will fall into the same problems.

format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

this is such an empty post. we have seen his actions and called him on it. If you saw my sins and called me on it I would take it into account. Infact many MANY MANY MANY MANY times I have committed great sins and the people around me have called me on it. So what? Does that make those people self righteous/judgemental? Does that make ME A BAD MUSLIM? YES

it made ME BAD to do the bad that THEY CALLED ME ON.

if they dont call me on it, maybe more around me will fall into the same problems.

No you haven't called him on it. He's not here, this is an internet forum and something he will probably never read. This is talking behind his back (ie. backbiting) and putting down another Muslim arrogantly without having even spoken to him.

Had you in fact wanted to call him out on it, you (by extension everyone on this thread) would have contacted him and talked to him and first sought clarificiation whether your understanding of his videos was even the correct, intentional understanding.

What you're doing here is feeling a sense of pesudo-religiosity and getting an Imaan high by criticizing a person behind his back because it doesn't fit your religious perspectives. It's a feeling of false forbidding the evil and enjoining the good even if it is sincere, as I am sure it is. Get over yourselves and your high horses - you dont have the right to judge another Muslim at all. Say something about the content of the videos, that's ok but you have no right to look down on another Muslim.

If members want to guide other Muslims away from sin, the best person to talk to is the Muslim that needs to be guided. There's no need to conduct these sorts of things in public Internet forums which the Muslim in question may not even visit.

Also, to be honest, everyone hating on these videos in this thread is actually drawing more attention to them. And as this thread has shown, whether you like the videos or hate them, you accept that they are not intended as 'Islamic' videos in the slightest. So, on reflection, it's a little strange that this has been posted in the Islamic Multimedia section.

In light of all this, maybe we've drawn enough attention to Diary of a Badman. It's time to move on.

Thread closed.

^

if you knew me at all, you would know that I never ever have thought of myself as a religious man, EVER.

That said, I have no intention at all to ever speak to this man. If i see him in the street I will salaam him with a smile because I know he is a muslim.


However his evil has presented itself in the aforementioned video on this thread which I had quoted and I felt compelled to reply to that BECAUSE I have watched his videos and laughed at them.


I hope you understand better where I came from, what I felt, and why I believe it was important to establish that his aspirations may lead others to evil.


assalamu alaikum my brother