We Will Never Unite With The Rafidah - Shaykh Ahmad Musa Jibril

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

I know you're addressing the question to Serinity, but if it was me, my answer would be:

"So what? They can feel free to call me any of that. Why would I care what a Kaafir calls me?"

But to understand that, you would need to understand the kind of mindset I have. Let me give you an example:

I'm sure you have seen lots of flies in your life. Right? Have you ever one day sat and thought, "I wonder what that fly thinks of me. What names does he call me??" I'm taking a guess here, but probably your answer will be: "No, I have not thought that." Why? Because it doesn't matter to you what that fly thinks.

So to me, those Kaafirs screaming "Terrorists! Backward! Old-Fashioned! Patriarchal! Narrow-Minded!" and whatever else, they are like flies.

I'll mention something else, as well. If there was a "Dislike" button in addition to the "Like" button, this post of mine right here would be swamped with "Dislikes". But it's a fact.

Just do what you are supposed to do. Follow Islaam. Follow the Sunnah properly. If you know that you have not done anything wrong, then if people accuse you or insult, who gives a monkey's...

in order to 'follow the Sunnah properly' (by not following gulen movement and their pacifism and alleged deviation) would I have to believe that the gulen movement is a terrorist group? or a group that has committed injustice? what is your personal opinion, brother ibn adam, with regards to allegations of terrorism by Turkish government against gulen movement? should i not follow gulen movement, as you have said in the past, because it is deviant, or because it is an oppressor, or both?

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

Don't follow any "movements" or "groups". Just stick to the original and pure "Islaam" which Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم brought, and which Sahaabah followed and spread around the world. To follow modern day movements and personalities only brings ruin. Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

"I leave behind me two things which, if you hold onto them firmly, you will never ever go astray after me: The Kitaab of Allaah, and my Sunnah."

In another Hadeeth, Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم says:

"I have left you on a white path (i.e. a path that is bright as day)."

تركتكم على المحجة البيضاء

Free yourself from all movements and from all the various personalities trying to make a name for themselves in the world. The moment a person gets drawn into a movement, or a sect, he abandons the pure Islaam. This is because, all these movements only take a portion of Islaam. You'll find a movement that has only 2% of Islaam, a movement that has maybe 10%, a movement that has 5%, a movement that has only 1%. So when a person joins this movement, then he exits the pure 100% Islaam and replaces it with this 1%. Allaah Ta`aalaa says in the Qur'aan:

أدخلوا في السلم كافة

"Enter into Islaam in entirety."

The word used here is "Kaaffah". Meaning, "completely", "entirely". Become a "complete" Muslim. Not a "Half-Muslim". Half-baked.

These movements pick and choose which elements of Islaam to follow, and they abandon the rest. There is no goodness in any of these movements, there never have been, and there never will be.

Adhere to the Qur'aan and the Sunnah and you will be fine, In Shaa Allaah.

In fact, examine any movement, any movement at all, and then read the Qur'aan, and you will see for yourself: "This movement is Definitely not following this Qur'aan."

There is no need to be a part of any "movements", akhi. Just keep the original Islaam.

what are some good, neutral "non movement" websites to learn from and obtain fatwas from...?

format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa

This thread:

are you a Gulenist?

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

If you listen to the talk I posted of Shaykh Ahmad Jibril, he says inside there - and I'm paraphrasing here - "We didn't tell anyone to go out and start killing Shi`as at random." He didn't say that. We said - and we make it very clear - that we will Never ever have unity with them. We don't want unity with them. Ask any normal man, "If someone calls your mother a prostitute, will you be friends with him?" He'll tell you, "Never ever. If someone said something like that, I'd {insert threat here}." That's a fact. He doesn't want friendship with someone who refers to his mother as a prostitute. So how can any Muslim want friendship with a Shi`a when that is what they say about the Mother of the Believers, Hadhrat `Aa'ishah رضي الله عنها? The wife of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم? It is a compounded insult, because if the wife of a man is a prostitute, then by him being married to her, he is a Dayyooth (cuckold). How can you EVER have friendship or unity with Shi`as? Never ever. We hate them. We despite them. To hate and despise them is good, because they hate and despite Allaah Ta`aalaa, and Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, and the Sahaabah.

This concept of: "Love all, hate none." Is not part of Islaam. It was invented by the likes of Gandhi. Islaam never taught that. The issue of "Al-Bughdhu fillaah" (Hating for the Sake of Allaah) is linked to Tawheed itself. It is taught in the very first lessons on Tawheed, along with al-Walaa wal-Baraa (Alliance and Disavowal). These are fundamental aspects of Islaam.

Nabi Ibraaheem عليه السلام said to the Mushrikeen when they refused to accept Tawheed:

قَدْ كَانَتْ لَكُمْ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ فِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ إِذْ قَالُوا لِقَوْمِهِمْ إِنَّا بُرَآءُ مِنْكُمْ وَمِمَّا تَعْبُدُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ كَفَرْنَا بِكُمْ وَبَدَا بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمُ الْعَدَاوَةُ وَالْبَغْضَاءُ أَبَدًا حَتَّى تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَحْدَهُ

"There is indeed an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem and those with him, when they said to their people: "Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah; we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you enmity and hatred forever until you believe in Allaah Alone..." [Soorah al-Mumtahinah, 60:4]

What is this then?? What happened to "Love all, hate none"??

"Love all, hate none" has never been something any Nabi ever propagated.

Now, the funny thing is that despite having an absolutely clear-cut Aayat like this, the modernist "Mozlems" will still pull their hair and teeth out trying to interpret it to mean something - Anything - other than what it actually means and is saying. But what's funnier than that is that no Kaafir who reads their excuses falls for it. The Kuffaar who read the apologies of these apologists mock them for it and know very well that they're talking trash. The Aayaat are crystal clear. No matter how hard they try to make Islaam into a pacifist, Gandhi religion, it is not and will never be.

والسلام

May Allah reward you good

format_quote Originally Posted by azc

Where did I say to love deviants.? Several times I've written that I dislike them. Where is your mind while reading my posts...? I simply say that we must not listen to such lectures which increase the intensity of hatred...... If you love hatred... Then keep it on as shia deviants do... I've no sympathy for them at all

format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity

I want to ask a question in regards to Hating for the Sake of Allah. I have no doubt that it is good for us, to protect us by having enmity towards it (you will never ever fall for something you have extreme enmity for)

But what about the average kafir? I hate the shias, because of their beliefs. But what about the normal kafir joe?

I mean, correct me if i am wrong:

Show enmity and hatred towards those who show hatred - do not want to listen or change.

my hatred for someone is dependent upon their level of kufr, and enmity towards Islam. So an militant kafir who wants to go to war against Islam, I hate more, than the average joe.

However, there are kafirs where I hate their stance and kufr, but as for their personality - I do not hate, nor do I love. If it goes against Islamic standards, I dislike it, but I don't hate them completely. I hate someone based on their disobedience, and kufr. As for the kufr, I hate it completely, however, the person himself? depends on how engrossed in Kufr he is.

Say Abu Talib (the uncle of The Prophet Muhammad SAW) I don't hate him, but I dislike and hate that he didn't join Islam. as opposed to Abu Lahab, whom I hate altogether, completely.

Is my approach Islamic?

Walaikum,

I think your approach is right. I was raised as a kaffir and my family with the exception of my older brother are still kaffirs. I don't hate them but I sure hate to seem them in kufr and the kufr they think they believe in

Hi, I’m a non-Muslim. I wanted to ask is it racist that Muslims hate the Bani Israel(i.e the Jews) for the sake of allah? If so, why don’t Muslims say they hate Italians for the sake of allah if most of them are kuffar? Does racism depend on the context? Most Yoruba are Muslims and some of them are followers of the Yoruba religion and the followers are called Yoruba. If a Yoruba Muslim were to say I hate the Yoruba(followers of the Yoruba religion) for the sake of allah, would that be self-hatred because they both belong to the same people, just one is a Muslim and the other doesn’t believe is ethnicity is his religion?

format_quote Originally Posted by Hope1995

Hi, I’m a non-Muslim. I wanted to ask is it racist that Muslims hate the Bani Israel(i.e the Jews) for the sake of allah? If so, why don’t Muslims say they hate Italians for the sake of allah if most of them are kuffar? Does racism depend on the context? Most Yoruba are Muslims and some of them are followers of the Yoruba religion and the followers are called Yoruba. If a Yoruba Muslim were to say I hate the Yoruba(followers of the Yoruba religion) for the sake of allah, would that be self-hatred because they both belong to the same people, just one is a Muslim and the other doesn’t believe is ethnicity is his religion?

Hating people for their misguided beliefs is not racism. If those Jews converted, the Muslims would accept them, it has nothing to do with race. Muslims just hate the actions of a people, we don't judge a people by the color of their skin or where they were born.

format_quote Originally Posted by Avis

Hating people for their misguided beliefs is not racism. If those Jews converted, the Muslims would accept them, it has nothing to do with race. Muslims just hate the actions of a people, we don't judge a people by the color of their skin or where they were born.

I wasn’t saying it was based on skin color or race. I was saying would it still be racist even if it’s not about race or skin color because you clearly say Jews for example? The reason why I ask is because the West considers it to be so except when talking about ethnic conflicts today and back than and also saying the romans hated the Greeks. I feel these feelings of the west sometimes to believe that because of the west and I’m wanting my views to change a bit and also I can see the west is ever contradictory, I don’t know what to believe. Also for the last sentence I meant to say in the last worlds they believe their ethnicity is their religion when talking about the Yorubas.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hope1995

I wasn’t saying it was based on skin color or race. I was saying would it still be racist even if it’s not about race or skin color because you clearly say Jews for example? The reason why I ask is because the West considers it to be so except when talking about ethnic conflicts today and back than and also saying the romans hated the Greeks. I feel these feelings of the west sometimes to believe that because of the west and I’m wanting my views to change a bit and also I can see the west is ever contradictory, I don’t know what to believe. Also for the last sentence I meant to say in the last worlds they believe their ethnicity is their religion when talking about the Yorubas.

You're not making sense. How can it be racist of Muslims to hate Jews for their beliefs? Who cares what Westerners think, we as Muslims should hate anyone who practices evil and we should hate their false beliefs. It doesn't make us racist in any way. If anyone says otherwise, they're just trying to put Muslims down by playing with words.

As for Jews, they like to think they're special because of their race, when in fact, the only thing that is special is how evil they are. The Anti-Semitic card is their go to in order to shut people up why they shed the truth upon their evil actions. Their race is no different to Palestinians, who are mostly descendants of Jews. Do we hate Palestinian Muslims because they come from the same lineage? No.

Again to make it clear- It is not racist to hate people for their evil actions and disbelief in the Creator and their rejection of Islam. Doesn't matter what group of people they are, doesn't matter what they say, there is nothing wrong with it. Anyone who uses the "Racist!" card is just lacks intelligence and has nothing worthwhile to say.