He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women (OP)
i dont really like posting things like this, as i dont feel its my place to but for the sake of benefit.
He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
I live in a non-Muslim country and I cannot lower my gaze because there are too many uncovered women around me.
Praise be to Allaah.
Lowering the gaze is of two types, one which a person can do and which he has no excuse for not doing, which means not repeatedly looking at women or deliberately looking at them. This is something that he can do, and it is obligatory upon him, I mean not repeatedly looking at women or deliberately looking at them, because it is within his capabilities, and it makes no difference whether he is in a country where there is a great deal of unveiling or not.
The second type is something that a person cannot avoid, and it is an accidental glance, where he sees a woman but he does not look repeatedly at her or look deliberately; rather he carries on his way. This will not harm him and he is not sinning thereby, because it is beyond his control. This, and Allaah knows best, is the reason why Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things)” [al-Noor 24:30]. In the original Arabic the literal meaning is “lower some of the gaze” which means that lowering the gaze completely is not obligatory and it is something that is beyond a person’s control, or what is required in cases of necessity, such as a doctor looking at his patient and so on, or when a man looks at the woman to whom he wants to propose marriage. End quote.
Brothers & sister don't forget the 6 fasts of Shawwal
Abu Ayyub al-Ansari(ra) narrated, the Prophet(SAW) said, "Whoever fasted Ramadan with the then connect with the (fasting) six days in Shawwal, the (reward) as he was fasting for a year." (Muslim,Abu Dawood,al-Tirmidhi, al-Nisaai & Ibn Maajah).
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
Your sentence had it coming, given that you tried to imply that men say it's impossible when they don't.
You must have read next sentence after the one I said,
I did not deny women are fitna to men. I clearly said isn’t as hard as people here make out.
I was suggesting the difficulties are exaggerated. I think it is exaggerated so much, one would think the whole deen is focused on the fitna of women!
If you are divorced and don't want to marry again, then that's your choice but just for reference: If you'd like a happy marriage, drop this men hating attitude.
What gave you the idea that I was divorced or never wanting to marry!
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
I was perfectly well in tune wit the topic, what I said is related. I think its u who shud stop jumping to conclusions n missed to understand my point.
Thanks for ur advice-joined-wit-insult. Its very beneficial...?
u got a very bitter tone, save it.
Learn Patience from Asiyah, Loyalty from Khadijah, Sincerity from Aisha and Steadfastness from Fatima.
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
I was suggesting the difficulties are exaggerated. I think it is exaggerated so much, one would think the whole deen is focused on the fitna of women!
for many brothers the MAJOR contributing factor that stopped them from accepting/practising upon the truth was the fitna of women. really i think if men could learn only one thing it should be how to lower their gaze, after this everything else is basically secondary because it becomes so easy.
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
format_quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude
I know what you meant. I'd say you were the one doing some exaggerating.
You said you had bitter experiences (implying divorce) and you'd only change for your son (implying that you'd never marry).
Nope, I not am doing any exaggeration. If there was any exaggeration is probably from my observation.
And does these bitter experiences always lead to divorce?
My son is the most important “male” in my life!
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The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
format_quote Originally Posted by tango92
for many brothers the MAJOR contributing factor that stopped them from accepting/practising upon the truth was the fitna of women. really i think if men could learn only one thing it should be how to lower their gaze, after this everything else is basically secondary because it becomes so easy.
Salam
thanks for that.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
format_quote Originally Posted by Yanoorah
I was perfectly well in tune wit the topic, what I said is related. I think its u who shud stop jumping to conclusions n missed to understand my point.
No, what you said was off.
"that doesn't make it the sisters fault, no1 cares about ur hormones excuses keep that to urself pls. "
This means: 'You guys here are giving pervy guys an excuse'. Which nobody did.
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
brother alpha dude is right. women are a fitna for men. even imam buhkari reported this from the prophet mohammad (saw) and its a sound hadith.
this is why us women are ordered to cover up from head to toe. i think we should fear Allah and honestly keep our disagreements in our pockets inshallah.
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
I rather play the violin for greater hardship Muslims come across than lowering one’s gaze! And I embraced to say some Muslim men still stare at those wearing proper hijab and even nigab. As a result, some say women should be staying indoors 24/7
Are you saying that Muslim women are told to stay home, because men stare at them?
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
format_quote Originally Posted by Yanoorah
^Sis sweet106 doesn't need ur respect to be honest she spoke the truth, it hurts? get over it 'man'. Nor did she display any attitude, why are brothers getting all heated up about the simple truth?
Its true some brothers will hit on sistas even if they are dressed properly n are not wearing any make up, that doesn't make it the sisters fault, no1 cares about ur hormones excuses keep that to urself pls.
I was once in a lift wit a brotha who kept saying 'MashaAllah MashaAllah' but trust me it was no sincere mashaAllah, it was a pervy one.
Now I cringe when I hear the word 'MashaAllah'...
this happened with me too and i said Alhamdulilah.
u shouldnt cringe when u hear the word mashallah because he probably was just proud to see a sister who was modest looking
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
format_quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude
No, what you said was off.
"that doesn't make it the sisters fault, no1 cares about ur hormones excuses keep that to urself pls. "
This means: 'You guys here are giving pervy guys an excuse'. Which nobody did.
Some people did, re'read through the thread, not necessarily for harrasssing sistas, but that they can't lower their gaze. I was just speaking generally but its still related.
People usually find beneficial medicine bitter.
1 who gives sincere advice does not flatter himself.
Learn Patience from Asiyah, Loyalty from Khadijah, Sincerity from Aisha and Steadfastness from Fatima.
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
Some people did, re'read through the thread, not necessarily for harrasssing sistas, but that they can't lower their gaze. I was just speaking generally but its still related.
Very debatable but believe as you wish.
As for your second comment, if you really think I'm trying to flatter myself, look up what husn al dhaan means.
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
format_quote Originally Posted by **muslimah**
Are you saying that Muslim women are told to stay home and because men stare at them?
I could not make it any clearer?
@Cat
I did not say women were not fitna to men!! I never said that at all. I didn’t even disagree with that! I simply had a problem with constant complaining about lowering one gaze and questioning the focus of these difficulties!
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
Re: He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
I could not make it any clearer?
@Cat
I did not say women were not fitna to men!! I never said that at all. I didn’t even disagree with that! I simply had a problem with constant complaining about lowering one gaze and questioning the focus of these difficulties!
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