He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women

**Ummu Sufyaan** · 06-25-2010

i dont really like posting things like this, as i dont feel its my place to

but for the sake of benefit.

He cannot lower his gaze because there are too many women

I live in a non-Muslim country and I cannot lower my gaze because there are too many uncovered women around me.

Praise be to Allaah.

Lowering the gaze is of two types, one which a person can do and which he has no excuse for not doing, which means not repeatedly looking at women or deliberately looking at them. This is something that he can do, and it is obligatory upon him, I mean not repeatedly looking at women or deliberately looking at them, because it is within his capabilities, and it makes no difference whether he is in a country where there is a great deal of unveiling or not.

The second type is something that a person cannot avoid, and it is an accidental glance, where he sees a woman but he does not look repeatedly at her or look deliberately; rather he carries on his way. This will not harm him and he is not sinning thereby, because it is beyond his control. This, and Allaah knows best, is the reason why Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things)” [al-Noor 24:30]. In the original Arabic the literal meaning is “lower some of the gaze” which means that lowering the gaze completely is not obligatory and it is something that is beyond a person’s control, or what is required in cases of necessity, such as a doctor looking at his patient and so on, or when a man looks at the woman to whom he wants to propose marriage. End quote.

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**Asiyah3** · 07-12-2010

Originally Posted by sweet106

I have, plenty of time.

Who are you to generalise and talk on behalf of Muslim women?

**Alpha Dude** · 07-12-2010

Originally Posted by sweet106

Because you never heard of it, it must be exaggeration on my part. great...

Obviously. Women don't half get emotional about stuff. I think emotion clouds their judgement.

oh:

Seriously though, if you've heard it with your own ears then fine. However, I hesitate to accept that it's as common as you make out.

**Rhubarb Tart** · 07-12-2010

Originally Posted by **muslimah**

Who are you to generalise and talk on behalf of Muslim women?

And who are you to say I was generalising? You need to learn to read the sentence you quote. Hence I said some. And nowhere did I mention I was talking on behalf of women. Now get off my back.

**Asiyah3** · 07-12-2010

Originally Posted by sweet106

I did not deny women are fitna to men. I clearly said isn’t as hard as people here make out. Allah (swt) didn’t leave anything impossible on this earth.

According to your post lowering the gaze is not hard at all

**Asiyah3** · 07-12-2010

Originally Posted by sweet106

And who are you to say I was generalising? You need to learn to read the sentence you quote. Hence I said some. And nowhere did I mention I was talking on behalf of women. Now get off my back.

I didn't assume anything about you or your posts. I asked you directly and your response was:

Originally Posted by sweet106

I could not make it any clearer?

**Rhubarb Tart** · 07-12-2010

Originally Posted by **muslimah**

According to your post lowering the gaze is not hard at all

So you jump from me generalising about women’s suffer and suggesting I was talking behalf of women to statements I made early saying lowering one’s gaze isn’t hard as people make out?

Your logic is inexcusable sister.

**Rhubarb Tart** · 07-12-2010

That response was toward this question:

Are you saying that Muslim women are told to stay home, because men stare at them.

And then I said:

I could not make it any clearer.

Thus whatever you read in following qoute below was correct:

I rather play the violin for greater hardship Muslims come across than lowering one’s gaze! And I embraced to say some Muslim men still stare at those wearing proper hijab and even nigab. As a result, SOME say women should be staying indoors 24/7

Notice I even capitalised and highlighted the word some. You are jumping on my neck for no absolute reason.

**Asiyah3** · 07-12-2010

Originally Posted by sweet106

So you jump from me generalising about women’s suffer and suggesting I was talking behalf of women to statements I made early saying lowering one’s gaze isn’t hard as people make out?

I'm free to comment on any of your posts.

Your logic is inexcusable sister.

A'udhubillah that I'd resort to this level. I only want us to be supportive and understanding with each other.