Why A Muslim Should Forgive Others?

format_quote Originally Posted by hend.abuauf

I speak both Fus-ha and 'Ameyyah

Maashaa'Allaah. Which dialect of `Aamiyyah do you speak?

Egyptian

I speak Fus-haa fluently, Alhamdulillaah, but `Aamiyyah of Shaam (Levantine Dialect) I can only speak and understand partially.

If you had the time, it would be good and beneficial if you made a thread wherein you teach a bit of the Egyptian Arabic everyday. I'm sure there are members who would like to learn.

Greetings and peace be with you hend.abuauf;

Welcome to the forum, and thank you so much for sharing about the importance to forgive. In my later life, I have come to understand.....

It is best to try and forgive, even if the other person does not say sorry.
The person who does the forgiving, benefits as much, if not more than the person who has been forgiven.
It is the same to forgive someone if they have stolen £10, or if they are responsible for the death of a loved one.
If we are able to forgive from the heart and let go, we can find a profound sense of peace.

I have come into contact with two people, both in the process of committing suicide, it was being able to help them forgive some horrible things, that helped them both find the will to live. Both these people did not have a faith.

In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God.

Eric

format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H

If we are able to forgive from the heart and let go, we can find a profound sense of peace.

Not always, I'd say. Sometimes forgiving may encourage more wrongdoing or crimes.

And I don't think forgiving someone stealing 10$ is the same as forgiving someone for killing a loved one.

I think there are limits to forgiving. Or at least, there are ways of doing it. Sometimes forgiving can be a good thing, other times it will be a bad thing.

And Allah knows best.

format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity

I think there are limits to forgiving. Or at least, there are ways of doing it. Sometimes forgiving can be a good thing, other times it will be a bad thing.

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Of course there are limits for forgiveness, this doesn't mean that we shouldn't encourage forgiveness

It is useful to bear in mind the difference between forgiveness (as in ihsaan), and acceptance of oppression, the nation just preceding the ummah of Muhammad pbuh were duped into accepting lies and oppression due to their distance from the teaching in the book and their lazyness in being content with roman government sponsored synagogue/church sermons.

Looking carefully will show that the picture provided by the roman church is very different from the picture that appears when reading the book, there is a clear seeking of justice and goodwill in the fase of falsehood and oppression visible to a careful reader:


1After this, Jesus went around in Galilee. He did not want*to go about in Judea because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him.*
2But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near,*3Jesus’ brothers said to him, “Leave Galilee and go to Judea, so that your disciples there may see the works you do.*4No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.”
*5For even his own brothers did not believe in him.
6Therefore Jesus told them,*“My time is not yet here; for you any time will do.*7The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that its works are evil.*8You go to the festival. I am not*going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.”*9After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee.10However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.

11Now at the festival the Jewish leaders were watching for Jesus and asking, “Where is he?”
12Among the crowds there was widespread whispering about him.
Some said, “He is a good man.”Others replied, “No, he deceives the people.”*
13But no one would say anything publicly about him for fear of the leaders.

Jesus Teaches at the Festival

14Not until halfway through the festival did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach.
15The Jews there were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having been taught?”
16Jesus answered,*“My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.17Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.18Whoever speaks on their own does so to gain personal glory, but he who seeks the glory of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.19Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law.
Why are you trying to kill me?”
20“You are demon-possessed,” the crowd answered. “Who is trying to kill you?”
21Jesus said to them,*“I did one miracle, and you are all amazed.22Yet, because Moses gave you circumcision (though actually it did not come from Moses, but from the patriarchs), you circumcise a boy on the Sabbath.23Now if a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing a man’s whole body on the Sabbath?*
24Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.”

Division Over Who Jesus Is

25At that point some of the people of Jerusalem began to ask, “Isn’t this the man they are trying to kill?*
26Here he is, speaking publicly, and they are not saying a word to him. Have the authorities really concluded that he is the Messiah?*
27But we know where this man is from; when the Messiah comes, no one will know where he is from.”
28Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out,*“Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own authority, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him,29but I know him because I am from him and he sent me.”
30At this they tried to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him, because his hour had not yet come.*31Still, many in the crowd believed in him. They said, “When the Messiah comes, will he perform more signs than this man?”
32The Pharisees heard the crowd whispering such things about him. Then the chief priests and the Pharisees sent temple guards to arrest him.
33Jesus said,*“I am with you for only a short time, and then I am going to the one who sent me.34You will look for me, but you will not find me; and where I am, you cannot come.”35The Jews said to one another, “Where does this man intend to go that we cannot find him? Will he go where our people live scattered among the Greeks, and teach the Greeks?*36What did he mean when he said,*‘You will look for me, but you will not find me,’*and*‘Where I am, you cannot come’?”
37On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice,*“Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink.*38Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”39By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
40On hearing his words, some of the people said,
“Surely this man is the Prophet.”
41Others said, “He is the Messiah.”
Still others asked, “How can the Messiah come from Galilee?42Does not Scripture say that the Messiah will come from David’s descendants and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?”
43Thus the people were divided because of Jesus.*44Some wanted to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him.

Unbelief of the Jewish Leaders
45Finally the temple guards went back to the chief priests and the Pharisees, who asked them, “Why didn’t you bring him in?”
46“No one ever spoke the way this man does,” the guards replied.
47“You mean he has deceived you also?” the Pharisees retorted.48“Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed in him?*49No! But this mob that knows nothing of the law—there is a curse on them.”

50Nicodemus, who had gone to Jesus earlier and who was one of their own number, asked,*

51“Does our law condemn a man without first hearing him to find out what he has been doing?”

52They replied, “Are you from Galilee, too? Look into it, and you will find that a prophet does not come out of Galilee.”

[The earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53—8:11. A few manuscripts include these verses, wholly or in part, after John 7:36, John 21:25, Luke 21:38 or Luke 24:53.]

53Then they all went home,


The above doesn't sound anything like the "ooooh, it's destinyyyy, i enjoy being treated worse than an animal and teach people to accept oppression" story one bit.




So let's steer safe from falling into the quagmires of oppression and self deception the previous nations fell into and let us be wise and read the final book of Allah and follow the path of His final Messenger, because the Roman kuffar are still playing the same falsehood games it appears and i pray for justice.

Narrated Jarir bin `Abdullah:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Allah will not be merciful to those who are not merciful to mankind."

[Sahih al-Bukhari 7376]

format_quote Originally Posted by Akhi_Umar

Narrated Jarir bin `Abdullah:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Allah will not be merciful to those who are not merciful to mankind."

[Sahih al-Bukhari 7376]

I agree 100%, and know for certain that Allah is just.
Let us be careful of laying tortuous burdens on people and oppressing them, because Allah will do the same to oppressors, and and let's definitely not blame the wrath of Allah on people, and the oppression of people on Allah.

Greetings and peace be with you Abz2000;

Like the cartoons of the prophet pbuh, I found this video distasteful.

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H

Greetings and peace be with you Abz2000;



Like the cartoons of the prophet pbuh, I found this video distasteful.

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

I clarified that the version of events pushed in it is inaccurate, although it reeks of the oppression pacifist story found with the roman church.
The chip in my skull is distasteful and oppressive and also the one in my son's (He's not God's grandson btw). I had to walk very very slowly home with him today because his head hurt with every heavy step.
The story is therefore very relevant to the post and topic in hand and i have more right to protest or forgive what is distasteful about MYSELF than someone who pretends to worship me.

Blessings and peace be with you Abz2000;

Eric

Greetings ad peace be with you Serinity;

Not always, I'd say. Sometimes forgiving may encourage more wrongdoing or crimes.

You can forgive someone a past wrongdoing, that does not make you into a doormat, you don't have to live with continued violence. People have the right to be angry, sadly in life there are so many times we cannot get justice for the things that are done to us and our loved ones. If we cannot get justice and we hold onto anger it eats away at us, we often take out our anger on those closest to us.

When we forgive, we give up the right to think with clenched fists, hoping the other person suffers. The chances are we are not perfect, we need to be forgiven for things we have done, we pray for forgiveness, but this makes more sense if we can first forgive others.

And I don't think forgiving someone stealing 10$ is the same as forgiving someone for killing a loved one.

I believe that forgiveness is the same in both cases, the difference is the grief you suffer. I could not imagine the grief I would suffer, if my son died of cancer or some other natural cause. If I lost £10, I would be annoyed, but I would get over it.

But if I found out a coworker had stolen £10 from me, there is a mixture of feelings, both anger and loss. Now it almost seems that the anger of theft becomes more important than the grief I would have suffered if I had just lost the money. It would be the same mixture of feelings for the loss of my son, whether it was natural causes or criminal blame.

I have experienced forgiveness twice, in circumstances that made the difference between death and life. One lady was in the process of committing suicide, after the death of a loved one. I spent a couple of hours with her talking about forgiveness. I said death is not the problem, we all die at some point, but it is not in your nature to die a bitter, twisted and angry person, even if you continue taking the pills, search in your heart for a way to forgive this person. She chose life and forgave the person.

I think there are limits to forgiving. Or at least, there are ways of doing it. Sometimes forgiving can be a good thing, other times it will be a bad thing.

I believe I was unfairly sacked from a job I had been doing for ten years. I never had a day of sick, I did a lot of the jobs other people were afraid to do, caring for people with challenging behaviour and learning disabilities.

Even to this day I think it was unfair, but I feel it is better to forgive and strive to overcome any anger I have for them. So, to help me overcome my anger, I have done about fifteen hundred hours of voluntary work for the people who sacked me. I shall be going back again on Friday to do another five, and in November I will voluntarily take a couple of the guys on holiday for a week. At minimum wages I have probably given them about £10,000 of my time. Every now and then, I come into contact with the people responsible for my sacking.

People say I am mad, I should have sued for compensation, and I agree with them. But I cannot explain the profound sense of peace that I feel, it is beyond money. At the old age of 62, I found another job, the day after being sacked.

About six months after being sacked, another branch of the company that sacked me, asked me to come and work for them part time. So now I have been working for about five years for the people who sacked me, crazy. I don’t understand life at all, I should have retired a couple of years ago.

My belief is, that the person who is able to forgive, gains more than the transgressor who is forgiven. I believe it is important to forgive, even if the other person does not say sorry.

Holding onto anger eats away at you. Anger is like picking up a burning coal, with the intention of throwing it at the person who angers you, and the person who gets burned the most is you. The longer you hold onto the burning coal of anger the hotter it becomes.

And Allah knows best.

Amen.

In the spirit of praying to a merciful God.

Eric

You humble me with your benevolence sir, It is indeed a story of magnanimity and i sure wish that we were on the same page in terms of what God requires of us, here are a few verses that might help in re-considering and uniting upon the truth:





102.*Do the rejecters of God think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment.
103.*Say: "Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds?
104.*"Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works?"
105.*They are those who deny the Signs of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of Judgment, give them any weight.
106.*That is their reward, Hell, because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest.
107.*As to those who believe and work righteous deeds, they have, for their entertainment, the Gardens of Paradise,
108.*Wherein they shall dwell (for aye): no change will they wish for from them.
109.*Say: "If the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid."
110.*Say: "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your god is one god. whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.




From Quran, Al Kahf, The Cave, Ch 18


And after reading the verse about jest, i'm deleting the video, since we are God's servants and maybe He doesn't want us to laugh at or make a mockery of God's signs. (Although it is difficult not to laugh at such witty clips, and i didn't see it that way until i re-read the verses i was posting), may Allah guide and reward you for pointing it out.

format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H

Greetings ad peace be with you Serinity;

You can forgive someone a past wrongdoing, that does not make you into a doormat, you don't have to live with continued violence. People have the right to be angry, sadly in life there are so many times we cannot get justice for the things that are done to us and our loved ones. If we cannot get justice and we hold onto anger it eats away at us, we often take out our anger on those closest to us.

When we forgive, we give up the right to think with clenched fists, hoping the other person suffers. The chances are we are not perfect, we need to be forgiven for things we have done, we pray for forgiveness, but this makes more sense if we can first forgive others.



I believe that forgiveness is the same in both cases, the difference is the grief you suffer. I could not imagine the grief I would suffer, if my son died of cancer or some other natural cause. If I lost £10, I would be annoyed, but I would get over it.

But if I found out a coworker had stolen £10 from me, there is a mixture of feelings, both anger and loss. Now it almost seems that the anger of theft becomes more important than the grief I would have suffered if I had just lost the money. It would be the same mixture of feelings for the loss of my son, whether it was natural causes or criminal blame.

I have experienced forgiveness twice, in circumstances that made the difference between death and life. One lady was in the process of committing suicide, after the death of a loved one. I spent a couple of hours with her talking about forgiveness. I said death is not the problem, we all die at some point, but it is not in your nature to die a bitter, twisted and angry person, even if you continue taking the pills, search in your heart for a way to forgive this person. She chose life and forgave the person.



I believe I was unfairly sacked from a job I had been doing for ten years. I never had a day of sick, I did a lot of the jobs other people were afraid to do, caring for people with challenging behaviour and learning disabilities.

Even to this day I think it was unfair, but I feel it is better to forgive and strive to overcome any anger I have for them. So, to help me overcome my anger, I have done about fifteen hundred hours of voluntary work for the people who sacked me. I shall be going back again on Friday to do another five, and in November I will voluntarily take a couple of the guys on holiday for a week. At minimum wages I have probably given them about £10,000 of my time. Every now and then, I come into contact with the people responsible for my sacking.

People say I am mad, I should have sued for compensation, and I agree with them. But I cannot explain the profound sense of peace that I feel, it is beyond money. At the old age of 62, I found another job, the day after being sacked.

About six months after being sacked, another branch of the company that sacked me, asked me to come and work for them part time. So now I have been working for about five years for the people who sacked me, crazy. I don’t understand life at all, I should have retired a couple of years ago.

My belief is, that the person who is able to forgive, gains more than the transgressor who is forgiven. I believe it is important to forgive, even if the other person does not say sorry.

Holding onto anger eats away at you. Anger is like picking up a burning coal, with the intention of throwing it at the person who angers you, and the person who gets burned the most is you. The longer you hold onto the burning coal of anger the hotter it becomes.



Amen.

In the spirit of praying to a merciful God.

Eric

I don't have as much experience as you. So Idk when to forgive and when not to forgive.

I just forgive cuz I find it meaningless to start bickering over little things. I think it is important to forgive, in order that Allah may forgive. Like, if you can't forgive others' little mistakes, then how can we/you expect Allah to forgive.

I guess it comes with experience.. Right?

I have come to know that in this world there is no full justice. True and full Justice will be served on the day of Judgment.

Say Hitler, he killed 6 million Jews. If we killed him once, it wouldn't be enough as retribution for what he did.

I don't like the feeling of constant revenge.. I don't like revenge.

I may be wrong tho, in which case I ask Allah to forgive me. Ameen.

And Allah knows best.

Greetings and peace be with you Abz2000;

You humble me with your benevolence sir, It is indeed a story of magnanimity and i sure wish that we were on the same page in terms of what God requires of us, here are a few verses that might help in re-considering and uniting upon the truth.



102.*Do the rejecters of God think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment.
103.*Say: "Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds?
104.*"Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works?"
105.*They are those who deny the Signs of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of Judgment, give them any weight.
106.*That is their reward, Hell, because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest.
107.*As to those who believe and work righteous deeds, they have, for their entertainment, the Gardens of Paradise,
108.*Wherein they shall dwell (for aye): no change will they wish for from them.
109.*Say: "If the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid."
110.*Say: "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your god is one god. whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.


From Quran, Al Kahf, The Cave, Ch 18

Thank you.

And after reading the verse about jest, i'm deleting the video, since we are God's servants and maybe He doesn't want us to laugh at or make a mockery of God's signs.

Thank you again, that is very kind.

May Allah bless you on your journey through life.

Eric

Greetings and peace be with you Serinity;

I don't have as much experience as you. So Idk when to forgive and when not to forgive.

I don't think it is in human nature to forgive, we like the idea of an eye for an eye, but that just leaves two people blind. True justice would be that the first person was not made blind, but you can't turn back the clock. Only Allah can serve true justice, he can restore the sight of a person who was made blind. I think hend.abuauf made some good points in her opening post.

I just forgive cuz I find it meaningless to start bickering over little things. I think it is important to forgive, in order that Allah may forgive. Like, if you can't forgive others' little mistakes, then how can we/you expect Allah to forgive.

I also believe it is important to forgive the big things too.

I guess it comes with experience.. Right?

There has to be a first experience.

I have come to know that in this world there is no full justice. True and full Justice will be served on the day of Judgment.

Ameen, and we have to pray for mercy and forgiveness for all the stuff we do to others.

Say Hitler, he killed 6 million Jews. If we killed him once, it wouldn't be enough as retribution for what he did.

When people suffer at the hands of others, they often become the thing they hate and fear the most. The Jews were forced into ghettos and killed, they lived in fear of the Nazis. The Jews who escaped the holocaust went back to Palestine, and they seemed to treat the Palestinians in the same kind of way that the Nazis treated them. When you mix anger and justice together, often the wrong people suffer, the Jews treated the Palestinians in the way they would have liked to treat the Nazis.

I don't like the feeling of constant revenge.. I don't like revenge.

There seems a fine line between justice and revenge.

I may be wrong tho, in which case I ask Allah to forgive me. Ameen.

And Allah knows best.

Ameen.

In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God.

Eric

The law of equal retaliation is prescribed by God upon people in the Quran and clearly demonstrated via His final messenger, there is perfect wisdom in it and it is an eternal principle. It keeps those considering criminal acts in check.
there is no way i would let such an important command dissolve.