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    Did the prophet SAW pass on illiterate?
    I was always under the impression that in his later life he learned to read and write and used to in fact take one of his wives to learn reading and writing -- I have recently encountered a post to the contrary and I need historical evidence please

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    Re: clarification

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    Did the prophet SAW pass on illiterate?
    No!
    Last edited by doorster; 03-14-2009 at 10:05 PM. Reason: oopse! risky post (sent privately)
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    Re: clarification

    akhi,
    I didn't receive a reply in my PM

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    Re: clarification

    Some people say he was not totally illiterate because he was a merchant before he received prophethood and should have been able to read/write to some extent.
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    Re: clarification

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    akhi,
    I didn't receive a reply in my PM

    Could you forward me the reply once you receive it, please.
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    Re: clarification

    I really want some articles from trusted sources. The net is a portal of ignorance.. the correct view is probably embedded so far from reach, I wonder if maybe Br. Ansar addressed the issue before?

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    Re: clarification

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    I really want some articles from trusted sources. The net is a portal of ignorance.. the correct view is probably embedded so far from reach, I wonder if maybe Br. Ansar addressed the issue before?

    oopse did not see that, which makes my reply rather redundant
    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    akhi,
    I didn't receive a reply in my PM

    wa aalaikum salam
    it was in a reputation message, if it is not there then I shall send a PM
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    Re: clarification

    format_quote Originally Posted by KashifB View Post
    Could you forward me the reply once you receive it, please.
    Insha'Allah, but hopefully insha'Allah someone knowledgeable can also post a reply in this thread and clear it for many people

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    Re: clarification

    Oh Jazaka Allah khyran I haven't looked under user CP yet, I shall now

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    Re: clarification



    Yes I suppose the definition can fit both things but then the word itself is vague and can have multiple meanings ..

    I am going to do some Arabic googling I think it is probably the easiest way to avoid hateful sites.. whenever I google anything to do with Islam my stomach just churns 3 mins into it

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    Re: clarification

    I managed to find this..suret al 3ankboot speaks of the prophet's illiteracy prior to the revelation of the Quran. which was my original impression.. because I have read a post on the forum recently that alleged he died illitrate, which I don't believe to be true, since he made seeking knowledge mandatory on every Muslim and took one of his wives to learn to read and write and Allah swt knows best
    if anyone knows differently then share with me

    بسم الله و الصلاة و السلام على رسول الله

    جزاك الله خيرا أخي

    واقع الأمر أنها شبهة مضحكة تبرز جهل طارحها ، فلو استعمل هؤلاء عقولهم في التفكير و عيونهم في القرأة لوجدوا القرأن يقول منذ أكثر من 1400 سنة
    {وَمَا كُنتَ تَتْلُو مِن قَبْلِهِ مِن كِتَابٍ وَلَا تَخُطُّهُ بِيَمِينِكَ إِذاً لَّارْتَابَ الْمُبْطِلُونَ }العنكبوت48

    هل لو كان الرسول محمد _ صلى الله عليه و سلم _ يعرف القرأة و الكتابة أما كانت هذه الأية كفيلة بأن تجعل الناس لا يؤمنون به فهذه الأية تقول صراحة للجميع أن الرسول صلى الله عليه و سلم لم يكن يقرأ أو يكتب قبل نزول القرأن ألن تكون هذه الأية هي الفرصة الكبرى لأعداء الاسلام من اليهود أو المشركين بأن يهدموا الاسلام و الرسالة ان استطاع واحد منهم أن يقول أن الرسول محمد _ صلى الله عليه و سلم _ يقرأ و يكتب ؟ و لكنهم لم يفعلوا .. لماذا ؟ نترك الاجابة لمصدقي هذه الشبهات التافهة

    http://www.imanway1.com/horras/showthread.php?t=7791
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    Re: clarification

    Ill search a link or article and post here inshAllah.
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    Re: clarification

    thanks for bringing it up, I did read some articles ages ago on the matter, will look around,,
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    ” إن الأمة التي تحسن صناعة الموت توهب لها الحياة”

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    Re: clarification

    Thank you

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    Re: clarification

    http://www.ahewar.org/debat/show.art.asp?aid=73939 *arabic*, somewhat long but provides many good sources.
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    Re: clarification

    I stopped reading the article in link when I arrived at
    "Narrated Ibn omar:The Prophet said, "We are an illiterate nation; we neither write, nor.... "sahi bukhari part 3 pages 27, 28"

    fi aman Allah until next week
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    Re: clarification

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    Did the prophet SAW pass on illiterate?
    I was always under the impression that in his later life he learned to read and write and used to in fact take one of his wives to learn reading and writing -- I have recently encountered a post to the contrary and I need historical evidence please

    Skye

    I guess for me it doesn't really matter whether he was literate or not, what does matter is that he was the most influential man ever to exsist and was known to have the BEST of characters. His honesty and integrity was why Allah SWT choose him to be the best of men and to deliver the final message.

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    Re: clarification

    format_quote Originally Posted by doorster View Post
    for some reason I stopped reading the article in link when I arrived at
    "Narrated Ibn omar:The Prophet said, "We are an illiterate nation; we neither write, nor.... "sahi bukhari part 3 pages 27, 28"


    no offence meant but I am sticking with my original belief wa salam alaikum and fi aman Allah until next week


    perhaps if you had kept reading , the article presented the for and against,,
    Last edited by alcurad; 03-12-2009 at 03:26 AM.
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