Joining Army

format_quote Originally Posted by allahuakbar90

asalamualekum brothers and sisters,
I was wondering whether or not I am allowed to join the British Army? I saw on there application it includes muslims under religion so perhaps some muslims have joined. I know we are not ment to go to war against brothers but these extremists are not real muslims?
Any advice would be helpul,

salam

this is matter of massive importance, Allah clearly tells us not to take the kuffar as our allies and protectors and if do we are judged to be of them not of the ummah of muhammad (saws)

it would be like someone in the times of muhammad (saws) claiming islam but fighting for the disbelievers, it is a clear sign of kufr that there is no need for a scholar to give takfir on a muslim joining the kuffar armies as it is known by necessity.

there are a few hundred people claiming islam in the british army however and we need to advice them they have negated their islam, are kuffar and will be raised along with the other kuffar not with the believers.

format_quote Originally Posted by allahuakbar90

asalamualekum brothers and sisters,
I was wondering whether or not I am allowed to join the British Army? I saw on there application it includes muslims under religion so perhaps some muslims have joined. I know we are not ment to go to war against brothers but these extremists are not real muslims?
Any advice would be helpul,

salam

Surely not all Iraqis and Afghans are extremists!
believe me these days its easily to be labelled as extremist!
If you join the British army its like you siding with kuffars against your brothers and sisters in islam!
Deep down every muslims wouldn't feel comfortable in situations like that! follow your conscience brother

format_quote Originally Posted by allahuakbar90

asalamualekum brothers and sisters,
I was wondering whether or not I am allowed to join the British Army? I saw on there application it includes muslims under religion so perhaps some muslims have joined. I know we are not ment to go to war against brothers but these extremists are not real muslims?
Any advice would be helpul,

salam

It's not permissible for a Muslim to fight along side the kuffar against the Muslims at all.

It is not permissible for a Muslim to fight with kaafirs against the Muslims at all

Question:
I work in the army of a non-Muslim state, and there are wars between them and the Muslims. What is the ruling if they send me with a division of this army to wage war against the Muslims? As a Muslim, my feelings are that I never want to fight against Muslims in any war.
What should I do?
What is the ruling if I go…?


Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

If you are sent to wage war against the Muslims, then it is not permissible for you to take part at all. Helping the kaafirs against the Muslims is a form of major kufr which puts one beyond the pale of Islam. Allaah says concerning one who supports the mushrikeen (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’, i.e., friends), then surely, he is one of them”[al-Maa’idah 5:51]

With regard to how you may get out of this situation, and what excuse you can give to get out of this dilemma if it happens, we ask Allaah to help you, and we suggest that you consult some Muslims who have relevant knowledge or experience.

We want to emphasize to you the necessity of finding other employment and of leaving service in the army of the kaafirs, because that implies helping them, strengthening them and increasing the numbers of their fighters and supporters – unless your work can bring some benefits to the Muslims, such as giving information and secrets of the kaafirs to the Muslims so as to help the Muslims, or if your work is purely da’wah, such as giving khutbahs and leading prayers for the Muslims in the kaafir army whilst also advising them to avoid any work that will strengthen the kaafirs. We ask Allaah to keep you safe from temptation and to give you a good end in this world and in the Hereafter.

Islam Q&A

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

Ruling on helping the kuffaar against the Muslims

Question:
A Muslim businessman has been offered a golden opportunity to sell equipment and food or to sign a contract to do maintenance on vehicles and equipment for an army that is waging war against the Muslims. What is the ruling on doing such business?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

The scholars of Islam have stated that it is not permitted to support the kaafirs against the Muslims, and that that is kufr (disbelief) and riddah (apostasy), because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them”

[Surah al-Maa'idah 5:51]

The fuqaha’ of Islam, the imams of the Hanafi, Maaliki, Shaafa’i and Hanbali madhhabs, and other fuqaha’, have stated in their books that it is haraam to sell them anything that may help them against the Muslims, such as weapons, equipment, riding beasts, etc. So it is not permissible to give them food or to sell them food, drink, water, tents, trucks, vehicles, or to make contracts with them to provide maintenance, transaportation, etc. All of that is haraam and the one who consumes profits on such transactions is consuming haraam things, and the Fire is more fitting for him.

It is not permissible to sell them even a date or to give them anything that they can use against their enemies. Whoever does that deserves Hell, and the Fire is more fitting for all evil earnings. Indeed this is one of the most evil of evil things.

It is not permissible to give them anything that may give them the slightest help against the Muslims.

Al-Nawawi said in al-Majmoo’:

With regard to selling weapons to ahl al-harb (those who wage war against the Muslims), it is haraam according to scholarly consensus.

Ibn al-Qayyim said in I’laam al-Muwaqqi’een:

Imam Ahmad said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade selling weapons at times of fitnah (tribulation)… It is obvious that selling them is helping others in sin and transgression. This also applies to every sale, rental or exchange that helps people to disobey Allaah, such as selling weapons to kaafirs, aggressors and bandits… or renting one’s house to someone who will set up a place for sin in it, or selling candles to someone who will use them to disobey Allaah, and other actions which help people to do that which Allaah hates and is angry with.

End quote.

In al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (25/153) it says:

It is haraam to sell weapons to ahl al-harb (those who are waging war against Islam) or to those who are known as bandits who attack Muslims or who stir up fitnah among them. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: It is not permissible for a Muslim to take weapons or horses to the enemies of the Muslims which will strengthen them against the Muslims, or anything that will help them to acquire weapons and horses, because selling weapons to ahl al-harb strengthens them to fight the Muslims and motivates them to declare war and continue fighting.

This issue is not the matter of ordinary or minor sins, rather it is a matter that has to do with the basis of ‘aqeedah (belief) and Tawheed (belief in the Oneness of Allaah), and the Muslim’s support and loyalty towards the Religion of Allaah and his disavowal of the enemies of Allaah. This is what was stated by the imams in their books.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Fataawa (1/274):

The scholars of Islam are unanimously agreed that whoever supports the kaafirs against the Muslims and helps them in any way is a kaafir like them as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)”

[Surah al-Maa'idah 5:51].

Islam Q&A

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/33691

format_quote Originally Posted by allahuakbar90

I know we are not ment to go to war against brothers but these extremists are not real muslims?

Just to add:

Those Muslims who are labeled as extremists (and may I add: only by the disbelievers call them extremists) are Muslim unless one can bring proof to state otherwise.

Non-muslim sources are not proof at the slighest to prove that a Muslim is an extremist.

format_quote Originally Posted by Yanal

I'm thinking of joining a type of army but more like a Canadian police. It's name is :
Royal
Canadian
Mounted
P Police
It's really good and if I start right now in my age I get 500$ every week for a couple hundred push ups and situps,how good is that people?

when they come and knock down brothers doors at 4 in the morning, it isnt the army that comes in the west but the police and it be you they put at the head going in first.

but there are other issues of joining the police, other than allying with the kuffar that are already mentioned above.

Allah says

The decision (al hukm) is only for Allah...
6:57

and also,

And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has revealed, such are the Kâfirûn
5:44

so by becomming a policeman you will be helping them enforce their kufr law, you are becomming one with them in this and will share their fate if you go through with it.

and dont be fooled by those who claim it is ok to say it is kufr in your heart but still swear to uphold kufr law by lying and then do the job not thinking it is right.

forgetting about the issue of muslims not being able to lie, this would still not be valid as it would be kufr by action and speech.

the salaf (early muslims) understood imaan to be in the heart, testified on the tongue and shown in the actions.

so if a man prays to idols without compulsion then he is a kaffir whether he knows it is kufr or not. his heart is not relevent.

simularly if someone upholds kufr law they become a kaffir without complusion then they become a kaffir whether they believe it to be wrong or not.

their actions have testified against them.