What about animals?

I never saw exclusivly any animal killing or slaughtering in factory farms , but I was aware something is just not right about it. Everything is kept so much hidden from people that they dont actually see or realise it. And then I watched one video where a piglet was left consciously bleeding to death, was painfully crying a LOT just that sound touched my heart and I wished I could go and stop it, I felt really horrible

If you analyse the teeth of the cow , you would notice that it has grinding teeth fit for chewing grass and leaves where as the Lion has canines to tear flesh . We humans have both types of teeth . If God almighty wanted us to be Vegetarians, he would have given us grinding teeth

And its not just animals that feel pain , Today scientists have proven that Plants suffer pain as well , pain is felt and NOT seen.

do you think that killing plants is better than animals just because plants dont show feelings , i dont think so . I would say you killed something that cannot flee or defend itself is worse ,for eg : how killing a physically challenged person is worse than killing a normal person ,because a normal person would give a tough fight


Its not just man who kills other living thing . Carniovorous animals kill humans as well .

There is nothing wrong in being a non-vegetarian
Brother ,we cannot survive in this world without killing another living thing be it a plant or an animal

Vegetarian soul , some very useful information regarding the non-vegetarian food

http://www.islamicvoice.com/december.98/zakir.htm

I've been looking at some posts about the vegetarian issue that you've spread over this forum.

Yes, 3 threads have been posted by him on the same topic already .


Vegetarianism in Islam
How can you ?
Soul Concept

Cant understand why the same subject is being raised again and again by the same person again , even after having received the answers

format_quote Originally Posted by AlHoda

Animals have rights in Islam, if you look up, there is no toher religion in the world that gives rights to animals as Islam does, not even animal right groups. You don't have to be a vegeterian to give an animal its right back. There is an hadith which I don't remember well, which says that you most treat an animal very well even if you're going to slaughter it. This is rather a poor collection of memory, it's better if you do some research on animal rights in Islam. I am sure you find plent of satisfying information.

Peace

Here is an excellent article

http://islam.thetruecall.com/modules...rticle&sid=296

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Islam has always had a superior treatment of animals than any other religion, while at the same time avoiding making idols of them, as extremist groups such as PETA do. In fact, I believe that this obsession with animals is an atheistic neurosis, based on the West's idea of universal empathy but without the restraint of religion. Here's an excerpt from an article I wrote about Islam and animals for an Islamic blog.

This clip may call out some strange imagining; some distant vision of myriad worlds, bound to geodesics like notes to melodies; some starless vision of alien oceans. We see sea life orbiting in liquid ellipses; a thousand lives swimming, floating, like space debris, or the sounds in an unwritten symphony; soft against faintly-curved gravity, governed in the finest grain of time, like planets and stars under glass, and indifferent.

Naturally, I expected to see appreciative comments for this video, and truly appreciative, at the very least, for offering a moment's escape from internet inanity. I was, then, quite surprised to see comments such as the following, which follow this clip wherever it's posted.

1) Mixed feelings ... As a Scuba Diver I want to do nothing but get in there , But as a Person all I want to do is to put them back in the Sea where they belong . They are so wonderfull. But it dose WOW me.

2) It's so beautiful, but at the same time its very sad to know that those animals are stuck in a box with no freedom to swim where they wish, being surrounded by people who watch them all the time. It's sort of like prison to me.

3) Or you can look at it as cages and the animals can't escape. These animals are meant to have HUGE areas to swim in and swim miles and miles. They need that. It is not our right to take them away from their natural homes, no matter how it educates us. We can be educated through video and lessons, not imprisoning other species.

Of course, we know that no one truly cares about fish. This is an affected piety to signal one’s commitment to Gaiaism, which is a perversion of a perversion of Christianity.

It's disgusting that Christianity, the foundation of Western culture, has been contorted into these sickening, hyper-feminine worldviews; it becomes more intense and irrational once limits set by tradition and command are stripped away. Its permutability allows for markets and scientific revolutions, but its more strongly imprinted traits inevitably evolve, in the absence of religious dogma, toward totalitarian ideologies.

Mencius Moldbug brilliantly describes the metamorphosis of "mainline progressive Protestantism", the dominant U.S. denomination, into "Universalism" here. TGGP originally noted that Islam seemed the best fit for Moldbug's system.

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Thank you all for responding


@Airforce

I am wondering, do we have natural tendencies to jump at the sight of flesh, blood and capture our prey on our own. On the other hand, we loose our appetite at the sight of blood and carcass.

I heard many people compare plants with animals, animals have brains,heart, blood and feel pain just like us humans.
See the video below, my heart goes out to this one how scared these sentient beings are..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUkHkyy4uqw


@Abdul Fattah

I dont know much about vegetarianism in Islam, but I am sure that you can be one, and I am sure that Prophet (PBUH) did have compassion for animals, and If I read it correctly, He was also against imprisonment of birds and animals. Today's factory farms are just horror industries.


@AlHoda

Yes I read somewhere too, that animals should be treated nicely and with compassion. But unfortunately, they have quite miserable fate and live in extreme torture, inside those factory farms.

@ syilla

The slaughtering in Islam was never been kept hidden... actually you can see lots of it in the youtube

You have a point, the slaughtering is not hidden anymore, slaughter houses are exposed. Someone rightly said that, if slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would go vegetarian.
There are many videos that show how it looks like, with dead carcass hanging and blood dripping down their bodies.

You are right Trumble, we dont have scarcity of resources to feed the hungry and yet global hunger continues to plague hundreds of millions of people around the globe. Land, water, and other resources that could be used to grow food for human beings are being used to grow crops for farmed animals instead. It takes up to 16 pounds of grain to produce just 1 pound of edible animal flesh.

Because the industrial world is exporting grain to developing countries and importing the meat that is produced with it, farmers who are trying to feed themselves are being driven off their land. Their efficient, plant-based agricultural model is being replaced with intensive livestock rearing, which also pollutes the air and water and renders the once-fertile land dead and barren.

I did went through the link you sent me above and let me tell you that no sane person can fall for those arguments.

For instance , the author says that plants have shown sensitivity, so he is trying to equate to that level of pain to animals, who are higher and complex living organisms , who have brains, heart, they bleed when cut.....
and feel similar pain like in humans.
I would like to ask that author if he would feel disgusted at the same level, if he sees a dead body of an animal bleeding and lying or an apple that feel apart from the tree? Ofcourse the brother who is deaf and blind still has a heart and blood running in his body and can feel pain.

Another point that goes on, (which in my opinion is absolute nonsense, forgive me) that if you dont eat animals then the world will become overcrowded. Well, have you heard about extinct dodo bird? And many more birds and animals go on EXTINCT due to hunting, poaching, and so on. Animals on the contrary are RAISED artificially and pumped in hormones and breeded in artificial way, just to meet the requirements of meat industry.
I am happy to learn that in Islam it is mentioned about the balance in nature. Well, when you learn about factory farms, you come to know that there is nothing balanced ( or natural ) about these slaughtering.

Cost of meat is reasonable since all aren’t non-vegetarian

But the price you pay in nature is quite heavy. Please read my post right above, and you can see the relation world hunger has with meat industry and you will get the point


Peace to you all

format_quote Originally Posted by Airforce

I dont think you will find many too many buyers here for your logic,so better take your vegetarianism campaign elsewhere.

I agree. And I'm going to eat a steak tonight in honor of VegetarianSoul.

Well you said in your own words that animals ( due to their higher intelligence) are capable to fight and flee, and have a chance to escape.

But unfortunately, humans capture them forcefully and breed then unnaturally to meet the "demand" , and then these animals and birds live all their lives locked up, in tiny cages, without sunshine , open sky above their head.
In the pool of their vomit, urine, stool and so on.

If you havent seen any slaughterhouse then I suggest you can see some videos online that gives the inside look of how the conditions are for animals and birds. To me, it doesnt look like these animals and birds, are raised with any compassion

I'm going to go out with my shotgun this afternoon, and for every post you make, kill a bird.