lol sis, what's the matter with you? My reply was to czgibson, not you. I'm not saying ur supposed to know, ok? I was merely saying to czgibson that even born muslims wont know until they learn, hence there is no deal. And the reason I said that was because he asked you if you hadn't known of the deal.. lol relax girl.. no one is putting u down.. if born muslims knew everything then why would they be asking so many q's on the forum.. understand?? I posted u a link anyway to help you not to put you down :sister:
yea sis nowt is wrng wiv me i am jus sayin it ok....
it's jus that i listn ta music alot n i can't live wiv owt it.... and reading sum of the posts it say's it's NOT allowed that's wot is putting me off and that's wot the matter is, am so sorry if i didn't make me post's clear
i know that u were post it to czgibson but i'm just saying it so everyone undastand's that it was from my own point ov veiw that i don't knw abwt this if music is allowed r not :grumbling :grumbling
"There will be earthquakes, hurling away and transformation in my nation and that will be when they drink alcohol and take female singers and play music”
Early scholars like Imaam Ahmad prohibited the use of amusement instruments and strings such as the lute, mandolin, cymbal, reed flute and rebab. No doubt musical and amusement instrument in this group includes instrument like the violin, piano etc., which is widespread these days. Music intoxicates more than wine as said by scholars such as Ibn Qayyim and others. The prohibition becomes greater when the music is accompanied with songs and voices of singers and pop stars. The seriousness aggravates when the words and expression of love, passion and description of lovely things. This is the reason why scholars say songs are conduit of fornication. Music and songs are agents of temptation especially in this age.
May Allah’s Peace and Blessings be up on us all
Now that is a good explanation/reason. Thank you for the information.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
The main problem with listening to any music that does not remind you of Allah is that it takes you away from the rememberance of Allah. Because remember, everything you do in your life comes to absolutely nothing because you are destined to return to the Almighty Creator [just like the billions who lived and have died before you].
Your time would be better spent studying the Quran and listening to its recitation.
Nasheeds are a good alternative if you feel you must listen to some sort of music.
"There will be earthquakes, hurling away and transformation in my nation and that will be when they drink alcohol and take female singers and play music”
Early scholars like Imaam Ahmad prohibited the use of amusement instruments and strings such as the lute, mandolin, cymbal, reed flute and rebab. No doubt musical and amusement instrument in this group includes instrument like the violin, piano etc., which is widespread these days. Music intoxicates more than wine as said by scholars such as Ibn Qayyim and others. The prohibition becomes greater when the music is accompanied with songs and voices of singers and pop stars. The seriousness aggravates when the words and expression of love, passion and description of lovely things. This is the reason why scholars say songs are conduit of fornication. Music and songs are agents of temptation especially in this age.
May Allah’s Peace and Blessings be up on us all
It's interesting to have someone give a reason as to why music is not allowed in Islam, rather than simply saying 'Allah has forbidden it so that's that.'
Imaam Ahmad is mentioned as an authority - I thought the only authority in Islam was supposed to be Allah? I assume this man must be quite important for his views to be taken so seriously. How did he reach this level of influence?
So the charge is that music leads to fornication and temptation. I can see how this might be true in some cases - I'm thinking of music by the likes of Britney Spears and Madonna. What about all the other music that's out there, though?
I've talked about this before, and it doesn't seem right to say that all music should be forbidden just because of the awful music and lyrics of a few talentless performers.
If I listen to a song like "No Woman, No Cry" by Bob Marley, a truly beautiful song with heartrending lyrics about poverty, how am I tempted to do something that is immoral by that?
Here's an interesting sentence:
The seriousness aggravates when the words and expression of love, passion and description of lovely things.
So presumably that's more serious than a song about child-killers or something?
I find all of this utterly bizarre. I think opponents of music have got things totally upside-down. Yes, there is a lot of rubbish out there, and it's right to condemn it for being so, but don't condemn all music simply because of that.
It's interesting to have someone give a reason as to why music is not allowed in Islam, rather than simply saying 'Allah has forbidden it so that's that.'
Imaam Ahmad is mentioned as an authority - I thought the only authority in Islam was supposed to be Allah? I assume this man must be quite important for his views to be taken so seriously. How did he reach this level of influence?
So the charge is that music leads to fornication and temptation. I can see how this might be true in some cases - I'm thinking of music by the likes of Britney Spears and Madonna. What about all the other music that's out there, though?
I've talked about this before, and it doesn't seem right to say that all music should be forbidden just because of the awful music and lyrics of a few talentless performers.
If I listen to a song like "No Woman, No Cry" by Bob Marley, a truly beautiful song with heartrending lyrics about poverty, how am I tempted to do something that is immoral by that?
Here's an interesting sentence:
So presumably that's more serious than a song about child-killers or something?
I find all of this utterly bizarre. I think opponents of music have got things totally upside-down. Yes, there is a lot of rubbish out there, and it's right to condemn it for being so, but don't condemn all music simply because of that.
Peace
that's wot i dn't get too :grumbling :grumbling :grumbling
islamgyal:it's jus that i listn ta music alot n i can't live wiv owt it.... and reading sum of the posts it say's it's NOT allowed that's wot is putting me off
no worries sis.. things take time... forget music for a min... it's difficult to do anything unless a person knows why is something forbidden, recommended, optional , permissable, or obligatory..
i dunno how music affects diff people.. but can i ask u a v. pesonal question..? if u mind jus tell me to get lost..lol. Say you was alone with ur bf listening to romantic love songz.. would u find that the lyrics, beat, the atmosphere would enhance ur senses, emotionz etc in ur desire for intimacy with ur bf, say the lyrics are something like.. i wish i could kiss u right now.. would that make u think about doing it? Chances are we follow our thoughts... Or would u feel it wouldn't make an iota's difference? Say ur listening to a song alone, and the lyrics go something like.. i wanna hold u in my arms and kiss u softly.. lol.. excuse my corny line .. would u suddenly.. want to do that and carry out the emotionz u feel listening to those words? Or say u dont have a bf.. and u listen to those lyrics.. would the natural desire we all possess cause u to want a bf, cuz the emotionz in the song are so romantic & sweet that you begin wishing you could do that in real life.. would the song take u to some fantasy world that makes u wish it was real? You dont have to answer.. jus ask urself...
What I'm trying to get at is,, would music make you feel/think of things that are forbidden? Cuz the chances are a thought can turn into an action.. if you look at it from this angle then u can see why it's haraam.
Another thing is the waste of time.. i dunno with other ppl but i know when i listened to music.. i wasted a lot of time doing it, wasting so much money on cd's etc..and spending that money on something islamic..
me and my mates used to have karaoke nights.. where we'd sing bollywood songs (poor neighbours) i couldve been praying or doing something beneficial.. then cuz of our love for music, we wanted to go to concerts etc.. more money & time wasted... can u see how one thing can lead to another.. i couldve spent that time doin so many other useful things for this life and the hereafter..
im telling u this, to help u understand.. see how long it took me to stop listening to music.. everyone in ma family listened to music.. but when i decided to improve my knowledge on islam.. it became clear as to why it's forbidden.. otherwise i'd prob still be doing it.. thats why i was telling czgibson that it doesnt matter if ur a born muslim, it doesnt necessarily mean u know everything....so am telling u i understand that it's hard for you.. it is hard to give up things ur used to.. all im saying is when u dont understand a matter.. then research it.. once u understand it becomes easy to do anything..
It's interesting to have someone give a reason as to why music is not allowed in Islam, rather than simply saying 'Allah has forbidden it so that's that.'
Imaam Ahmad is mentioned as an authority - I thought the only authority in Islam was supposed to be Allah? I assume this man must be quite important for his views to be taken so seriously. How did he reach this level of influence?
So the charge is that music leads to fornication and temptation. I can see how this might be true in some cases - I'm thinking of music by the likes of Britney Spears and Madonna. What about all the other music that's out there, though?
I've talked about this before, and it doesn't seem right to say that all music should be forbidden just because of the awful music and lyrics of a few talentless performers.
If I listen to a song like "No Woman, No Cry" by Bob Marley, a truly beautiful song with heartrending lyrics about poverty, how am I tempted to do something that is immoral by that?
Here's an interesting sentence:
So presumably that's more serious than a song about child-killers or something?
I find all of this utterly bizarre. I think opponents of music have got things totally upside-down. Yes, there is a lot of rubbish out there, and it's right to condemn it for being so, but don't condemn all music simply because of that.
Peace
Greetings,
I know where you're coming from.. But I think, it's like saying ok you can have a boyfriend but you can't kiss him.. Nobody's gonna want a bf just to stare at. Right?
So being allowed to listen to one type of music and not another may be very well... but who'z going to draw the line? It'd be a case of well I got a bf, so I might aswell kiss him... God knows human nature, He knows our weaknesses. So he has forbidden it because He knows humans can easily cross their limits. Hence there are no limits, it's forbidden fullstop.
take drink driving for instance.. it's illegal.. but people do it.. ppl get killed cuz of it... limits cannot be applied to everything because they do not always work.. that's why sometimes prevention is better than cure.
music is a serious waste of time. only losers listen to music. music sucks big time. its not cool to listen to music. you either love Allah or you love your desires. the athiest probably have no clue what it means to obey the Master of the universe. its really unintelligent to be an athiest. people who try to run away from the reality ususally end up becoming athiests...becase when you remove God from your life...there are no constraints..the only constraints is to totalitarianism and anarchy. but how long will you be runing my friend. you will returning to the dust one day and you will certainly rise up one day to meet your Lord. if you deny that you are simply denying reality.
and again music sucks really. no matter how beautiful it is.. its retarted to listen to music in this world.
I know where you're coming from.. But I think, it's like saying ok you can have a boyfriend but you can't kiss him.. Nobody's gonna want a bf just to stare at. Right?
So being allowed to listen to one type of music and not another may be very well... but who'z going to draw the line? It'd be a case of well I got a bf, so I might aswell kiss him... God knows human nature, He knows our weaknesses. So he has forbidden it because He knows humans can easily cross their limits. Hence there are no limits, it's forbidden fullstop.
take drink driving for instance.. it's illegal.. but people do it.. ppl get killed cuz of it... limits cannot be applied to everything because they do not always work.. that's why sometimes prevention is better than cure.
So, let me get this straight - if I listen to Bob Marley, I'm doing wrong because I may go on and start listening to Britney Spears? That can't be right.
That's like saying that some people drive dangerously, therefore no-one should be allowed to drive - prevention is better than cure. Where's the sense in that?
What's wrong with me applying my own limits to what I listen to? I know what terrible music sounds like, and when I hear it I switch it off. Not because I might behave immorally as a result of listening to it, but because I don't like torturing my ears with senseless rubbish. The chance of someone like, say, Madonna having an influence on my behaviour is minimal to say the least.
But perhaps, of course, it may be a child listening to Madonna, and they're not going to know the difference - so in that case what's wrong with the parents setting the limits on what their children listen to?
Banning all music shows a distinct lack of trust in humanity's aesthetic faculties. I think people should be trusted to expose themselves to the many joys that music has to offer without fear of being told that what they're doing is wrong.
Still, it's just one of many reasons why Islam isn't for me.
format_quote Originally Posted by moujahid
music is a serious waste of time. only losers listen to music. music sucks big time. its not cool to listen to music. you either love Allah or you love your desires. the athiest probably have no clue what it means to obey the Master of the universe. its really unintelligent to be an athiest. people who try to run away from the reality ususally end up becoming athiests...becase when you remove God from your life...there are no constraints..the only constraints is to totalitarianism and anarchy. but how long will you be runing my friend. you will returning to the dust one day and you will certainly rise up one day to meet your Lord. if you deny that you are simply denying reality.
and again music sucks really. no matter how beautiful it is.. its retarted to listen to music in this world.
Ha Ha! Thanks very much for that post. It's considerably brightened my day!
becase when you remove God from your life...there are no constraints..the only constraints is to totalitarianism and anarchy. but how long will you be runing my friend. you will returning to the dust one day and you will certainly rise up one day to meet your Lord. if you deny that you are simply denying reality.
well said
format_quote Originally Posted by moujahid
its retarted to listen to music in this world.
i agree brother:bravo:
i think people who have no life listen to music.
i mean it doesnt make any sense. how can people be so stupid.
Why, thank you. It's reassuring to know that your standard of discussion hasn't diminished in the slightest!
Peace
im sorry bro. i didnt really mean to hurt your feelings. i feel bad now:sorry:
i do understand your concern as to how we can dislike music. trust me man i liked music more than anybody else in this forum. but i figured out the reason as to why it is harmful for a true believer. trust me its a feeling i cant explain. i just dont like music now cos it takes away my concentration from remembering Allah.
We can stay away from Music if we want to.....And those who want to listen they can...it's all up 2 u...
It's just our duty 2 warn u...
Like I always say:
You can take the horse to the lake, put you can't force it to drink....
exactly its like fasting... you do something for the sake of Allah alone not because you want people to know about it.. that will be shirk then. its just a small sacrifice you do for the sake of Allah. doesnt hurt much. not listening to music infact makes you feel more peaceful and healthy. you feel frustrated after you listen to music.
sami yusuf is teh best....
even though he uses alot of instruments it makes his songs effective and makes u feel the song...
as long as teh words are not bad... ui guess not \
cuz even if it has music instruments it still brings u closer to allah so how would somethign that brings u closer to allah b haram
btw a catholic christian became muslim because she heard his songs and they affected her
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lol sis, what's the matter with you? My reply was to czgibson, not you. I'm not saying ur supposed to know, ok? I was merely saying to czgibson that even born muslims wont know until they learn, hence there is no deal. And the reason I said that was because he asked you if you hadn't known of the deal.. lol relax girl.. no one is putting u down.. if born muslims knew everything then why would they be asking so many q's on the forum.. understand??
would u suddenly.. want to do that and carry out the emotionz u feel listening to those words? Or say u dont have a bf.. and u listen to those lyrics.. would the natural desire we all possess cause u to want a bf, cuz the emotionz in the song are so romantic & sweet that you begin wishing you could do that in real life.. would the song take u to some fantasy world that makes u wish it was real? You dont have to answer.. jus ask urself...
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