Hijab

**Shining Star** · 03-11-2006

salam,

what is the punishment for someone who does not cover their hair? A friend told me that such people cannot go to jannat.

This is just something I'm wondering about.

Jazakallah

**ameen** · 03-11-2006

salam,

other translations of the verse:

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms..."

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms..."

"And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests..."

"And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts, and display not their ornaments, except those which are outside; and let them pull their kerchiefs over their bosoms..."

-[24:31]

the emphasis is on covering the chest, not covering the face or hair.

it says use a 'khimaar' (which means a cloth used for covering) to cover the chests,

so if it is saying draw khimaar 'over' , that allows you a chance to interpret and twist this part of the verse to mean 'over face head and everything' ?

**Kittygyal** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by islam-truth

The word cover wasn't used the word over was.

oryt sori i misunderstnd there

so y shud u cover it

**ameen** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by Iqram

Imagine all the muslimahs started walkin without their heads bein covered, Allah save us, that's all i can say.

If a Muslimah does that, that is her choice.

just don't say it is specifically ORDERED in the Qur'an,

because that would be a lie against Allah .

**Ghazi** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by Ameen-

salam,

other translations of the verse:

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms...

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms...

And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests...

Salaam

And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts, and display not their ornaments, except those which are outside; and let them pull their kerchiefs over their bosoms...

the emphasis is on covering the chest, not covering the face or hair.

it says use a 'khimaar' (which means a cloth used for covering) to cover the chests,

so if it is saying draw khimaar 'over' , that allows you a chance to interpret and twist this part of the verse to mean' over face head and everything' ?

Salaam

So why do so many were hijab.

**afriend** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by islamgyal

so y shud u cover it

so u dont attract others towards u.

It wud make it easier to refrain if you wer covered.

**Kittygyal** · 03-11-2006

i knw most asian womens wear da big long ta cover there body (don't knw wot it is called tho) bt how r they supposed ta see then?

take care

**ameen** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by Iqram

so u dont attract others towards u.

It wud make it easier to refrain if you wer covered.

salam,

Don't you feel at all ashamed to tell her that "if you don't cover your hair and face, I may get excited if I see you because I can't lower my gaze" ?

Don't you have any sense of self-control?

**afriend** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by Ameen-

If a Muslimah does that is up to her.

just don't say it is specifically ORDERED in the Qur'an,

because that would be a lie against Allah .

Yes, But the Quraan only speaks of these things in little detail.

As an example, in the quraan it only sez to wash the face, the hands, heads and the feet.

But it is further elaborated in the SUNNAH. (the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) )

It also says in the Quraan:

"Obey Allah and the messenger"

So we must do what the prophet of Allah has commanded us to do.

**Ghazi** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by Ameen-

salam,

Don't you feel at all ashamed to tell her that "if you don't cover your hair and face, I may get excited if I see you because I can't lower my gaze" ?

Don't you have any sense of self-control?

Salaam

And why should he feel ashamed, if a sister is walking around un-coverd that thats her fault and she's tempting people thats also her fault and she should cover up.

**afriend** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by Ameen-

salam,

Don't you feel at all ashamed to tell her that "if you don't cover your hair and face, I may get excited if I see you because I can't lower my gaze" ?

Don't you have any sense of self-control?

Listen, Not everyone is an angel.

That's why Allah forgives.

If i accidentally saw a nice lookin person on the streets, then obviously i wud get an urge to look again...That's called EGO!!!!!!! Everybody has that urge.

If that person were to b covered well, then it wud make life easier for a person to keep his gaze down.

**Kittygyal** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by islam-truth

Salaam

And why should he feel ashamed, if a sister is walking around un-coverd that thats her fault and she's tempting people thats also her fault and she should cover up.

well how shud it be er fault wot about if she din't knw den wot

take care

**Cheb** · 03-11-2006

I think you should think about this logically. (Speaking form experience) It is much harder to lower your gaze if a female is not covering her hair than it is if she is.

**ameen** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by Iqram

Yes, But the Quraan only speaks of these things in little detail.

As an example, in the quraan it only sez to wash the face, the hands, heads and the feet.

But it is further elaborated in the SUNNAH. (the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) )

It also says in the Quraan:

"Obey Allah and the messenger"

So we must do what the prophet of Allah has commanded us to do.

salam,

Please read what I've posted in the following thread because I don't want to get into that here again:

http://www.islamicboard.com/marriage...ht=rights+wife

wsalam

**Kittygyal** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by Ameen-

salam,

Don't you feel at all ashamed to tell her that "if you don't cover your hair and face, I may get excited if I see you because I can't lower my gaze" ?

Don't you have any sense of self-control?

ryt lets not be that harsh ta iky k...

lets talk in a much polite way plz

take care

**Ghazi** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by islamgyal

well how shud it be er fault wot about if she din't knw den wot

take care

Salaam

If she didn't truely know then she's not to blame but this is a major part in a sisters life and someone should tell her to cover up, but if she does know then she is commiting a sin.

**Kittygyal** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by islam-truth

Salaam

If she didn't truely know then she's not to blame but this is a major part in a sisters life and someone should tell her to cover up, but if she does know then she is commiting a sin.

yea ur ryt there but wot a bwt if she wears the scarf and the long thing the one that u wear on body...n she duzn't wear the thing that u cover on face

(sori i dn't no the names)

take care

**afriend** · 03-11-2006

That doesnt explain anything.

So what your trying to say is everyone in that time messed up in tellin what the prophet(SAW) said as it is.....

If u dont wanna wear a hijab and get raped, that's your choice, but dont try to discourage what is sahih.

By the way, if u tried to examine what the 4 imams spent on a single hadeeth, u wud definately change your opinion.

The Imams studied those included the Ra'wee (the chain of narrators) and checked thoroughly if they wer trustable or not.

sorri, can someone delete this post, i accidentally quoted by accident.

**afriend** · 03-11-2006

salam,

Please read what I've posted in this thread because I don't want to get into that here again.

http://www.islamicboard.com/marriage...ht=rights+wife

wsalam

That doesnt explain anything.

So what your trying to say is everyone in that time messed up in tellin what the prophet(SAW) said as it is.....

If u dont wanna wear a hijab and get raped, that's your choice, but dont try to discourage what is sahih.

By the way, if u tried to examine what the 4 imams spent on a single hadeeth, u wud definately change your opinion.

The Imams studied those included the Ra'wee (the chain of narrators) and checked thoroughly if they wer trustable or not.

**Kittygyal** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by Iqram

That doesnt explain anything.

So what your trying to say is everyone in that time messed up in tellin what the prophet(SAW) said as it is.....

If u dont wanna wear a hijab and get raped, that's your choice, but dont try to discourage what is sahih.

By the way, if u tried to examine what the 4 imams spent on a single hadeeth, u wud definately change your opinion.

The Imams studied those included the Ra'wee (the chain of narrators) and checked thoroughly if they wer trustable or not.

i dn't get this at all i u replying it to me

getting confused ere

take care

**Ghazi** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by islamgyal

yea ur ryt there but wot a bwt if she wears the scarf and the long thing the one that u wear on body...n she duzn't wear the thing that u cover on face

(sori i dn't no the names)

take care

Salaam

As long the hair and sutable clothing which doesn't revel too much of the body then that fine.