1: Volume: 1, Book Number: 4, Hadith Number: 148
Narrated 'Aisha:
The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).
May Allah have mercy on the early immigrant women. When the verse "That they should draw their veils over their bosoms" was revealed, they tore their thick outer garments and made veils from them.
DEFINITION OF VEIL: A length of cloth worn by women over the head, shoulders, and often the face. source
mmm okay.. so i take it you don't pray, you don't perform hajj right? coz you wouldnt know how to if you don't believe in these hadiths?
Soooo the whole muslim ummah is wrong? and you're right?
please enlighten me, i dont understand how a muslim can deny these. If Allah swt says O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and do not make your deeds of no effect. (47:33)
how are we meant to obey the messenger, if the hadiths, as you say are fabricated?
It's very important to study the science of hadiths. Why? Because it connects us with what the Prophet (saw) and his companions (ra) were upon. Thus it's imperative to study its chains.
Knowing the science of hadith saves you from all the difference of opinion among the scholars. If you look to it's evidence- for example there is a difference of opinion among the scholars whether to make wudu when one eats the meat of a camel- some scholars say no and some say yes. However if you look to the evidence you'll find that on the authority of Jaabir ibn Samrah that a man asked the prophet (saw): "should I make ablution after eating mutton?" The Prophet replied: "If you wish, make ablution and if you wish, do not make ablution." The man then asked: "Should I make ablution after eating camel meat?" He replied: "Yes, make ablution after eating camel meat." (Ahmad)
Some of the Salaf said the Qura'n is more in need of the Sunnah then the Sunnah is in need of the Qur'an.
How?
The best example is that of the Salaah (prayer)...
The Quran tells you to pray five times a day but it doesn't tell you how many unites one needs to pray or ritual of the prayer for that matter. The sunnah gives you the general rulings.
salam Quoted by Sheikh Shuraim, Imam of Haram Of Makkah
Also, know my Muslim sister that to conceal your face and allow your eyebrows, cheekbone, and bridge of the nose to remain uncovered is clear error. Some women use this as a ploy to cover up their inadequate features. They will uncover what they like and cover what they dislike. If our woman folk exit their homes having beautified themselves, uncovering more that what they cover, perfumed, while using their eyes and movement to attract the attention of men, they are indeed calling to deviance and disorder.
Quoted by Sheikh Sudais, Imam of Haram Of Makkah
By Allah you will be praised, you will please your household and make your home happy, you will perfect your hijab, you will perfect your chastity, relieve others and you will make yourself happy and comfortable.
How many young women get trapped and how much tragedy happens when the hijab is destroyed and the jilbab (outer garment) is taken off and the `wolves` (wicked men) devour the women? Such is as a result of sufoor and mingling with men in jobs, schools, and market places.
It wud make it easier to refrain if you wer covered.
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Hello everyone! Brother, with all due respect, you should use any other explanation but not because you can't lower your gaze. Remember by lowering your gaze you are doing your part. I don't think that excuse "She didn't cover therfore I couldn't help it" will help on judgement day. I know that I wouldn't want to cover (with hijab) just to babysit someone whwo isn't doing their part.
I'm not sure exactly where I heard this but the Prophet(pbuh)said that the first glance is natural but the second is from the devil.....Does anyone know what I am talking about?
The Prophet(pbuh)also said that Islam is easy. I believe we(ppl) are the ones who make it so difficult. The best Muslims had years to get better and the focus wasn't on HARAM/HALAL all the time....
True sis it is better that you do some research yourself with the Quran and Hadith. You can read it then if you have any questions or you are confused about something then this forum is a good place to ask. But dont use this forum or even the Internet in general for your 1 source to Islam. I recommend that everyday before you go to sleep, read a bit of the Quran until inshallah you finish it. Then start with some of the Hadith. Of course this is a lot but it is our duty to do so.
Regarding the Hijab, I think you should really consider it. Wearing the Hijab will bring you closer to Islam. Also know that it is not just your head that you should cover, but you should also wear clothes that do not show the shape of your body. Basically loose clothes. So sorry sis but jeans and a top wont do in Islam. Of course in the end it is up to you.
May Allah guide you to the right path.
Peace.
Reading this thread, men need to STOP blaming women and take blame themselves for their own actions. This constant pointing fingures and transfering of sins to the women for not covering their hair, their cheeks, eyes, hands and what not is absolutely down right propersterous and out of this world.
You men constantly put the onus on women to do whatever they can to help you control your desires whereas if you have excessive desire for women that you cannot help your self stare at a womans face, then it's YOUR problem, not hers.
Go and do something about yourselves. If necessary, dont come out of the house. But dont tell her to stay indoors because of that as it is your problem that you can not control your desires anf you have a problem with her body, not hers.
Peace.
PS. M. A. S. Abdel Haleem did a very good translation of the Quran.
Last edited by AceOfHearts; 03-14-2006 at 11:57 AM.
Reading this thread, men need to STOP blaming women and take blame themselves for their own actions. This constant pointing fingures and transfering of sins to the women for not covering their hair, their cheeks, eyes, hands and what not is absolutely down right propersterous and out of this world.
We all have responsibilities and rules that we need to abide by. The Quran clearly states that a woman should be dressed modestly so us (men) can lower our gaze among many things. The verse is mentioned many times in this thread. Therefore if even hair may allow a man to look longer than he should, then it should be covered. It is not like we are not blaming ourselves for looking either, see we get sins for that too. But by your logic, (i have stated this before) you can have a small glass of an alcoholic drink, but you wont get drunk. Whatever may lead to sin should be avoided. If a woman's hair attracts the attention of the gaze (or even more) of us men, then she should cover it AND we should lower our gaze anyway. It is a responsibility for BOTH men and women.
format_quote Originally Posted by Companion
You men constantly put the onus on women to do whatever they can to help you control your desires whereas if you have excessive desire for women that you cannot help your self stare at a womans face, then it's YOUR problem, not hers.
We also have to do whatever we can to help control woman's desires. It goes both ways. But what are you talking about here? Is it covering the hair or the face?
format_quote Originally Posted by Companion
Go and do something about yourselves. If necessary, dont come out of the house. But dont tell her to stay indoors [because of that] as it's your problem that you cant control your desires [& you have a problem with her body], not hers.
You are arguing a different issue here. Who said women should stay indoor? Sorry if I missed a previous post that said that. It is both our problems that it is HARD to control our desires, that is the way God made us.
It is both our problems that it is HARD to control our desires, that is the way God made us.
Please speak for yourself only.
By my logic you cannot say drinking any amount of alcohol is permitted. How can you draw such a similtude about alcohol! Quran forbids intoxicants clearly.
I do find a problem with your logic is that it gives scholars the licence to impose any sort of restriction over women, even the most extreme, with the excuse that "it can cause desire in us men". And it has happened. Scholars not only have gone as far as to suggest the face has to be covered and termed it "awra" but also right down to her finger nails! A point reaches where the entire women is "awra", her feet, hands, hair, smell, voice, you name it theyve got it.
Perheps the last thing that remains for the clergy is to say women must put a cardboard box around themselves when they go outside.
If they can be allowed outside that is!
Last edited by AceOfHearts; 03-14-2006 at 12:09 PM.
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