salaam aleykum wr wb,my sisters in islam
firts i thought i shoul not write about this topic then i thought why not because i have a efew friends and spoke to them about this subject a few who did not wear hijaab are now wearung through encouragement to wear it alhamdulilah :thankyou:
Many muslim sisters weather they are from muslim housholds or not and are reverts.
These days are finding it very hard to wear hijaab and islamic dress
(eg,loose clothing and scarf)
Sometimes through the lack of encouragement , lack of understanding and pride,and media and pop stars play a role also so friends who are not muslims(who can dress as they please)and even in some households where where islamic rules and not taught and are laspe and libreal often you find even in some religious familys don't advice thier daughters and sisters to wear hijaab and cover untill much older .
Then the girl has great difficulty in ajusting to wearing the dress code they are sometimes forced to wear and without encouragement.
Even some sisters whom are reverts or have been muslims all thier lives give excuses and answer " sister the hijaab is of the heart we don't have to wear hijaab " or we feel suffacated by it......
but then some sister will explain to them that it is a command and law of Allah .s.w..t and a requirement for us also.
We often get sway by western media and no muslim who say liberation!!!! liberation!!!
You don't have to wear it -it's old fashioned, its an old law, laws are ment to be broken.
Even you see muslim sisters these days wearing very tight clothing (to reveal thier figures)showing thier legs (this is also not allowed)but loose fitting garments.
let me ask you a question?
IF our prophet came and knocked on your door and you answered it,would you feel pride or embarrassed in front of him do you really think he would enter our households??? why we are dressed like that.
my dear sisters in islam this is the dunya its only a tempory life for us our strive insha'allah is jannah hopefully insha'allah
Do we as muslim sisters of this family of islam want to flaunt the laws of our beloved Allah s.w.t. and prophet s.w.s
we need to remind each other with love and respect and encouragement especially those sisters whom are having a hard time with this humberley explaining to them that this is a request from our beloved Allah and also a law he gave us to forfil.
And do we really want to disobey our beloved Allah.s.w.t we should forfil this small but important law with hope in doing so Allah is happy with us
I pray and hope that Allah guides all my sisters in islam to stand firm and ignore the whispers of shataain to wear thier hijaab and islamic dress with pride for Allah.s.w.t and may Allah guide us to jannah ameen
(i am happy wearing mine alhamdulilah)
You deemed the authors in my bibliography to be secularists, when they are Islamic scholars
Islamic scholars?! These people have secular degrees from secular institutes in the west; they do not even qualify as students of knowledge, let alone scholars. Just to be considered Al-Hâfidh, you need to have memorized the entire Qur'an and 100 000 Ahâdith with their chains of narration. Let us take a look at the first person on your list:
Asma Barlas - no religious education at all. Her degrees are in English Literature and Philosophy from Kinnaird College for Women in Lahore Pakistan; Journalism from the University of the Punjab, Lahore Pakistan; and International Studies from University of Denver, Colorado. She does not posses even a single qualification in ANY branch of Shari'ah yet you advance her as an Islamic scholar??
This is a sad joke. None of the people you mentioned are Islamic scholars. Their only education is from secular institutes, their understanding of Islamic law is severely limited, and yet, you want me to throw out real Islamic scholarship of the past 14 centuries for the opinions of a handful of secularists? No, thank you.
And only someone with an extremely narrow view of Islamic intellectual traditions could ever say that there has been a "unanimous consensus of Muslim scholars for 14 centuries" on anything beyond the absolute essentials, e.g. the Qur'an as Divine Discourse.
Nonsense. Anyone who has studied the Shari'ah knows the scientific basis for scholarly Ijma' and its extension to all major religious issues. Provide the name of even ONE distinguished jurist in Islamic history who has differed from the consensus.
Extremely narrow view? I think the extremely narrow view is the one held by those who seek to dispose of the Sunnah, the understanding of the Salaf, and the scholarly consensus for over a millenia because it is not in-tune with the current fancies of a handful of western-educated secularists.
A Muslim should be willing to fully submit to the Creator and follow Islam as it was revealed by Him in the Qur'an, implemented by the Prophet in the Sunnah and as it was understood by the immediate recipients of the message. If you have a misunderstanding about Islamic law you can have that clarified for you, but there is no need to change the religion.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
my mum tells me that i was 3 when i 'decided' to wear a scarf coz every1 in my family used to and i've been wearing it eva since, anyway, all the women in our area were like, 'oh my god. why have you forced the scarf on your daughter? she's only little' and things like that. now those women are winging themselves coz their daughters are like 20 and they don't wear a scarf.
i ddon't know about al u sis's, but i feel weird without my hijaab coz i've been wearing it since i was 3, the last 13yrs of my life and its now part of my life.
well i was born a muslimbut i only started practicing fully ramadhan 2005 although i dont wear a jilbab only hijab. My father is from sierra leone (west africa) and my mother from lebanon although her family was born and grew up in sierra leone, i wanted to wear jilbab/abaya but my mum says no because it is not in our culture she likes to say "we are not arabs, "you dress like that only for the mosque" what do you members think i should do ?
well i was born a muslimbut i only started practicing fully ramadhan 2005 although i dont wear a jilbab only hijab. My father is from sierra leone (west africa) and my mother from lebanon although her family was born and grew up in sierra leone, i wanted to wear jilbab/abaya but my mum says no because it is not in our culture she likes to say "we are not arabs, "you dress like that only for the mosque" what do you members think i should do ?
Obey your parents in all things unless they ask you to turn away from the deen in any way. Hijaab is a fard and it seems you are wanting to wear it for the right reasons. Wear it, though show hikma - explain to your mum that it is going to make you so much happier. Every mum wants that for their child. Tell her you will trial it for a while (but instead of seeing if it suits you, you are really getting her used to the idea insh'Allah)
And dispel the Arab nonsense - it is a Moslem thing, not an Arab thing!
I will make dua for you sister - it's a hard thing for some more secular parents to understand. But at the end of the day, it is YOU who are accountable and you must make a call as to how you are going to do it.
None of the people you mentioned are Islamic scholars.
To wit:
Asma Barlas's areas of expertise include Qur'an hermeneutics, gender studies, journalism, and comparitive and international politics. http://faculty.ithaca.edu/cv/cv_abarlas.pdf
Professor Abou El Fadl was trained in Islamic legal sciences in Egypt, Kuwait, and the United States. http://olincenter.uchicago.edu/2002-...ou-el-fadl.doc.
Amina Wadud's involvement with Islamic studies started with her Ph.D. from the University of Michigan, which included an opportunity for intensive advanced Arabic studies component at American University in Cairo,where she also took classes at Cairo University and Al-Azhar University. http://www.has.vcu.edu/wld/faculty/wadud.html#
Leila Ahmed's 1992 book Women and Gender in Islam is often seen as the authoritative text on the subject. She is a professor at the Harvard Divinity School. http://www.hds.harvard.edu/faculty/ahmed.html
Fatima Mernissi's first book, The Veil and the Male Elite: A Feminist Interpretation of Islam, is a historical study of role of the wives of Muhammad.
Other works of Mernissi include
* Islam and Democracy: Fear of the Modern World (1992)
* Forgotten Queens of Islam
* Scheherazade Goes West
* Islam, Gender and Social Change
Mernissi is currently a lecturer at the Mohamed V University of Rabat and a research scholar at the University Institute for Scientific Research, in the same city. http://www.mernissi.net/
Farid Esack
Farid Esack did his undergraduate studies in Islam at Jami'ah Ulum al-Islamia and graduated from Jami'ah Alimiyyah al-Islamia with a Bachelors Degree in Islamic Law & Theology. He did post-graduate research in Qur'anic Studies at Jami'ah Abu Bakr (all in Karachi) and completed a doctoral degree in Qur'anic Hermeneutics at University of Birmingham (UK). In 1994-95 he was a Research Fellow in Biblical Hermeneutics at Philosophische Theologische Hochschule, Sankt Georgen, Frankfurt am Main. http://uk.geocities.com/faridesack/
Kecia Ali received her Ph.D. in Religion (Islamic Studies) from Duke University and has contributed articles to the anthologies Progressive Muslims: On Justice, Gender, and Pluralism and Taking Back Islam: American Muslims Reclaim Their Faith. She teaches at Brandeis as a Mellon Fellow in Islamic Studies and Women’s Studies; she will be working on a book on sexual ethics and Islam.
Omid Safi
Educational Background:
* Ph.D., Graduate Program in Religion, with a concentration in Islamic Studies, Duke University.
* Dissertation: "Power and the Politics of Knowledge: Negotiating Political Ideology and Religious Orthodoxy in Saljuq Iran"
* Dissertation Advisors: Dr. Bruce Lawrence, Dr. Vincent Cornell, Dr. Carl Ernst
* M.A. History of Religions, concentration in Islamic Studies, Duke University.
* B.A. Major: Religion; Minor: Biology, Duke University.
http://classes.colgate.edu/osafi/per...%20Background:
Fazlur Rahman studied Arabic at Punjab University, and went on to Oxford University where he wrote a dissertation on Ibn Sina. Afterwards, he began a teaching career, first at Durham University where he taught Persian and Islamic philosophy, and then at McGill University where he taught Islamic studies until 1961. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fazlur_Rahman\
I know that there are some new names there; I did say that I posted an abridged bibliography, and this is still incomplete.
Now, I may refuse to recognize Ben Carson as a physician, and decline to be treated by him; I am free to do so. But the state of Maryland, and the AMA recognize him as a licensed physician, and acclaim he has received corroborates the opinion of those entities. You may refuse to recognize the above ladies and gentlemen as Islamic scholars, and deem them secularists. But others do- others who have convened expressly to develop and acknowledge the erudition that you fail to see.
the understanding of the Salaf, and the scholarly consensus for over a millenia because it is not in-tune with the current fancies of a handful of western-educated secularists.
Thank you for making it clear that it is safe to disregard your opinions; few people state their lack of intellectual integrity quite so plainly.
"Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die."
September 1, 1939 - W.H. Auden
To wit:
Asma Barlas's areas of expertise include Qur'an hermeneutics, gender studies, journalism, and comparitive and international politics. http://faculty.ithaca.edu/cv/cv_abarlas.pdf
With regard to journalism, politics, etc. this is irrelevant to the topic of whether such people qualify as Islamic shcolars (and I read that cv before my previous post btw). As for claiming 'expertise in Qur'an hermeneutics' again this is plainly absurd when she has had no formal education in any Islamic sciences, much less the specified sciences of Usûl At-Tafsîr! Please inform me concerning those qualifications that are relevant to your claim of 'expertise in Qur'an hermeneutics' - at what age did she memorize the Qur'an? Which Qira'ât does she possess 'ijaazah in? What has she studied of the Ulûm Al-Hadîth?
I want to deal with these people one at a time, especially since you have added new names to the list. I want to examine the claim that these people are qualified to propagate their own interpretation of the religion against the traditional consensus.
But others do- others who have convened expressly to develop and acknowledge the erudition that you fail to see.
I don't think this is a subjective issue. We cannot claim scholarship for someone who is not remotely familiar with the fields of study concerned. We do not allow someone who has picked up one or two medical books to start operating on patients.
Thank you for making it clear that it is safe to disregard your opinions; few people state their lack of intellectual integrity quite so plainly.
And few people sideline with such disrespect, the voice of criticism. There is no need for snide remarks - if you want to have an open factual discussion on the issue, I'm all for it.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
Obey your parents in all things unless they ask you to turn away from the deen in any way. Hijaab is a fard and it seems you are wanting to wear it for the right reasons. Wear it, though show hikma - explain to your mum that it is going to make you so much happier. Every mum wants that for their child. Tell her you will trial it for a while (but instead of seeing if it suits you, you are really getting her used to the idea insh'Allah)
And dispel the Arab nonsense - it is a Moslem thing, not an Arab thing!
I will make dua for you sister - it's a hard thing for some more secular parents to understand. But at the end of the day, it is YOU who are accountable and you must make a call as to how you are going to do it.
God be with you sister.
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alhamdulilah u are right brother hijaab is not an arab thing its worn by millions of muslim sisters all over the world and yes we are taught to obey our parents and the dicouragement of not wearing hijaab and if you choose to wear it is at no fault of any sisters but not to wear it is a disobeying Allah and what is greater than that for it is with him that our judgement will come and i think that many sisters even tho we love and repsect our parent this is a must from Allah so we should disobey our parents in the cause fact in the situation ..better to disobey them than to disobey our Allah and our prophet
sorry if i seem a little blunt may Allah guide us to do what is best ameen
There are as many ways to express modesty as women who express it. South Asian women drape the dupatta gracefully over their chests, West African women wear striking turbans, African American women wrap their heads in a variety of styles, ranging from simple to incredibly complex, to complement loose tunics or dresses, White women tie fetching floral scarves at the base of the neck, or at their chins to set off blouses or loose dresses. Even in the Arab world, the variety is dazzling. Rural women's colorful scarves, tied at the base of the neck, create a stunning contrast to richly embroidered caftans. Modesty is a value, not a trademark. Let's celebrate it as it is, and not restrict it to the domain of urban Gulf women.
"Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die."
September 1, 1939 - W.H. Auden
There are as many ways to express modesty as women who express it.
Yes, and it should be in accordance with the laws ordained by God. Some westerners will consider it modest to uncover everything except their private parts. Is that alright? Modesty must be determined by the Creator, not according to the subjective whims of the creation.
South Asian women drape the dupatta gracefully over their chests, West African women wear striking turbans, African American women wrap their heads in a variety of styles, ranging from simple to incredibly complex, to complement loose tunics or dresses, White women tie fetching floral scarves at the base of the neck, or at their chins to set off blouses or loose dresses. Even in the Arab world, the variety is dazzling. Rural women's colorful scarves, tied at the base of the neck, create a stunning contrast to richly embroidered caftans. Modesty is a value, not a trademark. Let's celebrate it as it is, and not restrict it to the domain of urban Gulf women.
All forms of dress are permissable so long as they follow the requirements laid out in Islamic law, i.e. the required parts are covered, the clothes are not transparent or otherwise revealing, they do not resemble the opposite gender, etc. etc.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
Jazakhallah khair to evryone who replied my earlier post your advice was very helpful i have started just wearing long skirts for now and inshallah i will start wearing abaya for Uni .
This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion : yet fear them not fear me. This day i have perfected for you your religion, completed my favour upon you, and chosen Islam as your religion.
i love wearing hijab... i feel like an invisible woman..(i can see other people but they cannot see me...-in the sense of they don't take notice of me)
i love wearing jubah tu... but here it's quite expensive.
Hello dishdash it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to engage in an argument with another member in any one of our forums?
Jubah is like a thowb. I think so anyway, correct me if i'm wrong
Make Dua for your Brothers and the Angels will make Dua for You!
Happy moments, Praise Allah
Difficult moments, Seek Allah
Quiet moments, Worship Allah
Painful moments, Trust Allah
Every moment, Thank Allah
If Allah brings you to it, He will bring you through it
My identity is not based on the opinions of other people. If they know I am a Muslima, it will be because of my excellent behaviour.
If I feel the need to announce to the world I am a Muslima, I can wear a shirt that says it.
But my identity isn't based on my outward appearance.
actualy sister we wear hijaab for Allah and its every muslimah's identitiy and its a law given to us to cover one of the beautys we have saving for our husbands and yes conduct is important a muslim is known by thier manners but we are not supposed to dress like non believers we are different in our mode of dress so ur wrong thier sister we are known for our dress and we should never make excuses that we cant wear if we ask Allah to make us strong alhamdulilah i am sure he would not let us down ameen
Salam well i wore my hijab 5 months ago i love it i get those odd looks everyday especially in the summer i only wear black hijabs i cover myself from head to toe and inshAllah i will start wearin my niqab as soon as i move out
Respect to the sisters who dress modestly and wear Hijab, I'd also like to add why do western women think our sisters are oppressed cause of hijab ect, they're the oppressed one's they're constantly being dictated what's in fashion and whats not, for example if all the men in the world got togther and said, "Women who wear less clothes arn't attractive." Believe me suddenly even on a hot summer day women would dress modestly, western women are being oppressed by the media for example why don't women these days have the hair styles of the 70's ect.
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