Being Gay

Good point.

Here's another: wouldn't it be great if this thread was merged with the other one linked to in the posts above?

Homosexuality is not a culture but more like a disease in my opinion, and it cannot be compared to religion which is not something that is healed as such. We do accept multi-cultures in the west, but we are entitled to our opinions and you are entitled to yours.

Muslims are uneducated twerps --- sick in the head and need treatment ........

Think about before you label me islamapobic, are you homophobic!

MODERATOR'S COMMENT: YOU COULD HAVE MADE YOUR POINT WITHOUT THE FOUL LANGUAGE AND INSULTS. WATCH YOUR WORDS.

Freedom of speech is fine and dandy. It's when that speech leads to action that it becomes problematic.

The way I see it, it is irrelevant whether people are born gay or become gay due to their experience.

Consider the first case. If they are indeed born gay, then from an Islamic perspective it makes no difference because people are born with problems and illnesses all the time but they have to live with it and be patient. If you say that these people are born with such a desire, well other people are born with the desire to commit zina, that doesn't mean they do it.

And if it is a psychological condition acquired then it is something that a person needs to be helped with and treated so that they can recover. And society needs to ensure that it removes factors that will have such a negative influence on people.

Either way, it makes no difference from an Islamic perspective.

Root has tried to compare Islam with Homosexuality, but its quite obvious that Homosexuality is not a system of beliefs and laws which describe the universe and guide one in their lives. Rather, it is a twisted desire to sin, just like any other desire to sin. Kleptomania is the same thing.

Salaam All.

An interesting thread, i must say. Osman, I remember your posts in UI when you had just started about a year ago. Man, have you grown.

I would echo what some people have said here, Islam does not hate anything, except the unnatural and the illness. Islam is not scared of gays (root ) neither does it hate gays (root ). Islam comes clearly with the message that is most inclined with nature. Psychologists today have proven that a dumb murderer is most likely to be violent due to psychological problems in his youth. Would you call those hating his crimes, as being worthy of this statement of yours:

"uneducated twerps --- sick in the head and need treatment ........"

...? Would you? It is the root cause wherein lies the problem. We are all aware, from the very consciousness of the soul, that this act is indeed one which violates the laws of nature. Besides that it is unclean, impure, and unfortunately produces nothing good, except, as scientists point out, a damaged sphincter muscle in the anus, and a problem whilst relieving oneself. Obviously, herein lies the real place which needs treatment, as opposed to the sick minds of the Muslims.

I would be glad to discuss the issue with you, if you so desire. Let us leave aside such trivial, almost childish profanities, and discuss the issue with the educated, well thought out perspective it requests of us.

As a note to all Muslims, just remember this. Everyone has some sort of a problem, or an illness, or a weakness. Whether that be a problem in the arm, the left testicle, or the brain, it doesnt matter, we all have some sort of a problem (alhamdulillah, for Allah sends mercy with affliction). No one hates a disabled person in a chair, but they feel sorry for the person, and rush to try and aid him/her. No one hates an insane person, but they feel sorry for him, trying to calm him, trying to soothe his exploded mind. So why is it, that we feel hatred to those who have this serious illness (for it is an affliction, not a choice)? Why is it that we dont rush to their aid, and support them to a straighter path? Islam is universal is it not? Does Allah not want them to submit?

My dear friends, for the sake of Allah, we must help all who come in our grasp. It will be only the wise who will dispose of profanities, vulgarities and obscenities and reach out, with the hand of salvation, to the ill people of this world. My du'as are with the people with this terrible illness.

P.S. Did you know that it is a mental disorder to be a 100% straight? Most people have the teensiest attraction to the same sex. Something to crunch on, before you point fingers.

Warm Regards

BAMB, Straight Up Gold.

I have some gay friends, and when they openly told me I actually gained more respect for them. For someone to say that kind of thing, it could risk their friendship. I am straight, but I respected that he thought that our friendship was strong enough to say he was bisexual. I don't care if I hang around gay guys, and I really have nothing wrong with them.

I don't really see why it is a sin, but I should worry not. Allah (swt) has ever more mercy than us

Br. Henry,
Nice to see you again.
I understand that you are not sure about this issue because you are a new Muslim. Indeed, being gay has terrible consequences from both a medical and an Islamic viewpoint. I don't have time now, but insha'Allah I will later post more info.

brother if you don't have something positive to say i suggest for you to keep quite like our beloved prophet said For brother genius i rarely doubt you're a genius.

asallama alaikum brother Muezzin are you genius's slave or something.Are you allowed to disagree with him or does he whip you with a lash whip..whip.
sorry merely joking

asallama alaikum brother old timer LI member in case you haven't noticed this sister attends an american university which includes talking, debating, and etc..with non mahram men.This sister was on the con side of the debate and she had to explain why homosexuality was wrong. I know because i was present at the debate.
asallama alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu.

Peace Root.

I can't wait ;-)

I trust you read what i had to say on the matter? Are you hear to listen to uneducated children, or to learn the truth about what the religion says? Stop the snidy comments. Your questions have been answered, one at a time in various places. If you dont want to learn the truth behind the stereotypes, then haven't you got anything better to do? Seeing as how you are here, and you seem to have more than the average Joe's amount of intelligence, I think you should consider what Islam is, and not what Muslims make Islam out to be.

Regards

Woa woa, guys, lets stop the rash arguements Some things are considered a sin in Islam mostly because it is harmfull to you (I quit eating pork since I converted, mind you ). For example, you can't hurt anyone with pork and you are not disrespectful to them when eating it, but it is a sin because people back then simply did not understand why it was harmfull to you. Therefore, to let them understand, it was simply called a sin (and which, of course, I am gratefull for ). Possibly, it is it the same with homosexuality. Much more gays contract AIDS/HIV than straights.

That is my two cents Also, glad someone remembered me I have finally memorized prayer and I am praying five times a day! I finally feal like a true Muslim

Brother Henry nice to see you back, Alhamdulillah thats good to hear, if you are not doing this at the moment try and learn the meanings to the surahs it will help you concentrate better if you know it in english too though nothing can compare to the arabic. Also how are you going with learning the 99 names of Allah (SWT)?

Sorry for kind of derailing this topic, but I figured that I definately needed to learn to pray before I should learn anything else. Actually, I finally got everything memorised yesterday. I don't remember much of the fifty or so that I remembered, but hearing the names in prayer or daily discussions and remembering what they mean is truely awesome