Without any permission I'm going to quote Sheik Khalid Yassen on something he said about homosexuality. He said " Even monkeys don't do that" . Honestly, even though the comment was hilarious, it's really thought provoking. Humans which Allah has put forth higher than animals are committing acts that those lower than us do not do. Animals are just not programed that way, humans as well, but when shaytans gets working, that cursed one can control ones desires to even committ such an awful act.
Always be in the rememberance of Allah, in order to be protected.
May Allah protect us...Ameen!
In a case where I would find out if a friend was gay/lesbian, I would directly point my hands to the sky and make dua for them.
"Faisbir sabran jameelan".Therefore endure with a goodly patience (70:05)
You find out your friend is gay, do you hate them?
i havent had any gay friends or knew any gay guys... but i wouldnt hate them. i would probably most likely stop hanging around with him... i would get the shivers if any1 gay was around me.. im kinda afraid of them :confused:
I found out a classmate of mine's was lesbian... She's muslim and wears hijab, but its a shame she's fallen into such sin... I hate her by nature and after finding out she was, I hated her even more...
You shouldn't really hate a fellow Muslim by nature, sis
But yeah, hate the action. I feel uncomfortable around gay men who are openly um... in touch with their feminine side. If that makes me a dinosaur in the Western world, then a dinosaur I am. But bagsy I get to be a stegosaurus.
[color=DarkSlateBlue][size=3][font=Palatino Linotype]Now I'm not an expert on gays but apparently people aren't gay by choice. They just are gay. It's a condition.
salaam alakum brother,
do not believe the lies of kufr scientists who justify the evil actions with thier work,
Allah wa taala has condemed the homosexual act as evil it takes you outside the fold of islam and as for it being genetic the following hadith proves that this is wrong.
by saying everyone is a little bit homosexual they are saying its ok and its NOT.
Hadith - Bukhari 2.440, Narrated Ibn Shihab
Abu Huraira, narrated that the Prophet said, "Every child is born with a true faith (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism or to Christianity or to Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verse: "So set you (O Muhammad SAW) your face towards the religion of pure Islâmic Monotheism Hanifa (worship none but Allâh Alone) Allâh's Fitrah (i.e. Allâh's Islâmic Monotheism), with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalq*illâh (i.e. the Religion of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not. [Tafsir At*Tabarî, Vol 21, Page 41] " (30.30).
Fear Allah people and dont get sucked into the fitnah of the societies we live in, would you say a peodophile was ok because it was a genetic condition?
how long before scientists tell us it is in their genes????????
know your deen and draw close to Allah so these lies become apparent to you.
re if i foundout my non muslim friend was a homosexual, i would talk to them about Allah and give them a copy of the quran, i'd make it clear i know they werent born this was its a deception of the shaitan and Allah is most forgiving.
I would find it difficult to be thier frind though, to be honest
i found out a friend was a drug dealer and very unrepentant, it discusted me sooo much i am nolonger frinds with them, the same goes for this, they choose to do the action.
Thank you for both for your clarifications. Forgive me for my blind acceptance. But whether it is or is not a condition or an illness, are we just to abandon then? Surely, they still need help. What do you think?
"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
Yes I agree they need help and to know that it is not a genetic condition, its a mental attitude, maybe because of childhood experiences or abuse,
remember Allah tests us all in different ways, a person who feels homosexual feelings is not kufr until the act upon it, we are not judged on our thoughts, however if that person makes lots of dua, is aware that these feelings are haram(just as a man who falls in love with a married woman would control himself rather than do haram)
maybe Allah will bless them with a pious spouse to marry and over come this test inshaallah.
re blind acceptance,
we were not born with knowlage Allah gives us knowlage Allhumdulilah so dont feel bad i once thought as you did too.
a person who feels homosexual feelings is not kufr until the act upon it, we are not judged on our thoughts, however if that person makes lots of dua, is aware that these feelings are haram(just as a man who falls in love with a married woman would control himself rather than do haram)
Jaza Allah Kher Fe Dunya Wal Akhira Dear Sister for adding this important point. Shaytan can play with the mind of Man in the most evil of ways. We must always realise that Shaytan cannot force us to do an action, rather he tempts us.
It's the act of being gay that one should dislike and not the person, I think. A friend of mine once said that hate is a dark and destructive emotion which can be difficult to overcome.
I think I would pity the person, more than anything. And perhaps pray a little, for his/her guidance.
Hatred leads to the Dark side. This is a true statement.
Isn't it a bit strong to say you hate a whole group? That kind of thinking can lead to trouble...
I'm sorry to speak so frankly, your majesty, please forgive me.
Peace
You know what? You're lucky because I got some food to calm my temper (I had a fight with a sibling so I was bit fired up)... Its okay my servant.... True I shouldn't be hating them, but when your worst enemy is homosexual, you can't help generalizing that other lesbians/gays might be the same... Although I know that that is a very dumb generalization indeed... I guess I apologize.......
Wallahi sister just keep an openmind, some homosexuals rn't meant homosexual and Allah won't put you in Hell just because you been a homosexual but you have to repent deeply and sincerely from it and never turn back and Allah knows best. The only thing thats not accepted by Allah is shirk(associating partners with Allah), life is long lived and depending on Allahs will but you have enough time in life to turn and repent, its ten times hard for people like that to turn to Allah than it is for us because they commited major sins and takes u to the furthest deepest hole of darkness a way from Allah.
you know though really some homosexuals and lesbians are muslims and some of them need help really bad and we can't do much to help them but this homosexual muslim goes to the mosque at times and may Allah guide him thats all I can say but dont hate appreciate. When I say don't hate, I mean hate what they do but don't hate the person him/herself cuz u never know whats in their mind, and people are wierd, odd crazy and psychological ill but those people need help and some don't know how to say "I need help" but May Allah guide them before death comes to haunt them
“If you punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, indeed it is better for the patient. Endure you patiently. Your patience is not except through the help of Allah." (al-Nahl 16:126-127)
I don't think gay people should be hated. Although the idea of it might seem disgusting to non-gay people, there's no real reason to hate them. I've had some friends who were gay, and for the most part they were hilarious. It's common for people who suffer regular bullying to either develop a sense of humour or break down completely. When you think of the amount of pressure that is on a gay person in public, it's obvious that they're not really making a choice about it, they can't help the way they are. This is not to say it's genetic or whatever, I don't know about all that...
I certainly don't think they're committing a huge sin, either.
I don't personally have any negative feelings towards it. At best, I can say that I just don't understand it. What I really cannot fathom is the hate that it attracts from people, particularly religious people. That is what attracts negative feelings from me.
"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
It is reported on the authority of Ibn `Umar that the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) said: Any person who calls his brother: O Unbeliever! (then the truth of this label) would return to one of them. If it is true, (then it is) as he asserted, (but if it is not true), then it returns to him (and thus the person who made the accusation is an Unbeliever). [Muslim]
Therefore, if you call other Muslims "kafir" or "mushrik" without discrimination, you could find that you have left Islam, according to the words of the Prophet (s.a.w.), in less than a second.
I don't personally have any negative feelings towards it. At best, I can say that I just don't understand it. What I really cannot fathom is the hate that it attracts from people, particularly religious people. That is what attracts negative feelings from me.
Originally Posted by akhee
warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.
PLEASE REMEMBER:
It is reported on the authority of Ibn `Umar that the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) said: Any person who calls his brother: O Unbeliever! (then the truth of this label) would return to one of them. If it is true, (then it is) as he asserted, (but if it is not true), then it returns to him (and thus the person who made the accusation is an Unbeliever). [Muslim]
Therefore, if you call other Muslims "kafir" or "mushrik" without discrimination, you could find that you have left Islam, according to the words of the Prophet (s.a.w.), in less than a second.
Allah (swt) knows best.
wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.
Brother, are you trying to claim that all gays or lesbians are Muslim? Forgive me if I wrong.
Like I said earlier:
No. As stated earlier, accepting to be a gay or lesbian goes against the words of Allah, which is a complete act of Kufr.
One enters the state of Kufr and has left the fold of Islam whether they say they are Muslim or not. One cannot claim to be Muslim and reject any part of the Quran. The declaration of the Shahada is to 100% accept every word of Allah and the Authentic recording's of the words of Muhammad (salla Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam).
And with the words of Sister UmmBilal:
a person who feels homosexual feelings is not kufr until the act upon it
I don't think gay people should be hated. Although the idea of it might seem disgusting to non-gay people, there's no real reason to hate them. I've had some friends who were gay, and for the most part they were hilarious. It's common for people who suffer regular bullying to either develop a sense of humour or break down completely. When you think of the amount of pressure that is on a gay person in public, it's obvious that they're not really making a choice about it, they can't help the way they are. This is not to say it's genetic or whatever, I don't know about all that...
I certainly don't think they're committing a huge sin, either.
Peace
You know though a gay person is an unbeliever at the time of him committing the act and if he/she doesn't repent sincerely and they die during that time then they die as unbelievers because they presist in sheer ignorance.
There is nothing I know of in the hadiths that is about homosexuality but one verse in the quran that lashes of Prophet Lut for committing the sin yet he was given a chance to repent and go back yet though he presisted in his ignogrance so he died as an unbeliver
and the hadith when the prophet(saws) said: A person is not a believer when he/she commits these two acts fornication and the drinking of alcohol.
If they continue to be gay and for instance, you try to talk to them and thier ignorant and presist then Allahu Masta3aan, what can you do to animals, is there a word worser than animals cuz animals don't do this either
“If you punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, indeed it is better for the patient. Endure you patiently. Your patience is not except through the help of Allah." (al-Nahl 16:126-127)
You know though a gay person is an unbeliever at the time of him committing the act and if he/she doesn't repent sincerely and they die during that time then they die as unbelievers because they presist in sheer ignorance.
OK. I'm an unbeliever too. It makes no difference to me what people get up to in their own homes. And I've seen no evidence to support the idea that homosexual people are inherently immoral.
If they continue to be gay and for instance, you try to talk to them and thier ignorant and presist then Allahu Masta3aan, what can you do to animals, is there a word worser than animals cuz animals don't do this either
Animals don't do this either? Here is a list of animals that have exhibited homosexual behaviour (over 450 at the last count):
Man we have gays on this forum who argue, if your gay now go repent thats all I have to say but if you continue the yes you are an unbeliever so give it up
“If you punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, indeed it is better for the patient. Endure you patiently. Your patience is not except through the help of Allah." (al-Nahl 16:126-127)
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