What is the solution to the ummah's problems. (OP)
i wanted to start a really active healthy discussion on an important issue, and to do so i would like to ask whoever reads this, 3 questions :
1. Define the problems of the ummah.
2. What are the solutions to the ummah's problems.
3. How do you fit into that solution
It is hypocritical to provide a solution which you do not fit into yourself, i will reply soon inshaAllah im kind of writing this quite lazily (because its day) and maybe at night when i am slightly more philosophical i will come back to reply with my answers.
SZ - well said for a Fijian Indian. You sub-continentals are occasionally useful it would seem...
Brother, I couldn't agree more (with the exception of the bit about Sssalafi's and the Wasabi's - students and IT helpdesk operators with bad attitudes - sociopaths one and all)
Unity will only come if you emrace the deen of Allah swt unilaterally.
SZ - you have that way of putting me back in my box and I thank you sincerely for that akhi. I will continue to learn from you bro insh'Allah.
So let us stop marrying cousins. It's allowed but for the love of God, look outside the family, the village and insh'Allah your race.
This umah can be united by love - what a cliche - I almost made myself vomit. But it's true - I want to see Morroccans marrying INdonesians, tatars marrying Nigerians, Fijian Indians marrying Lebs, Pakis marrying absolutely anyone but other Pakis, and French people being castrated and taken out of the gene pool altogether.
So let us stop marrying cousins. It's allowed but for the love of God, look outside the family, the village and insh'Allah your race.
This umah can be united by love - what a cliche - I almost made myself vomit. But it's true - I want to see Morroccans marrying INdonesians, tatars marrying Nigerians, Fijian Indians marrying Lebs, Pakis marrying absolutely anyone but other Pakis, and French people being castrated and taken out of the gene pool altogether.
I have a dream.
...im a fijian indian and was about to marry a pommy indian about 3 years ago..
...and hey,guess what...shes my cousin kay:
lol,allhumdulilah,things didnt work out.
Dont Mistake My Harshness For Strength And Neither Mistake My Kindness For Weakness.
So let us stop marrying cousins. It's allowed but for the love of God, look outside the family, the village and insh'Allah your race.
This umah can be united by love - what a cliche - I almost made myself vomit. But it's true - I want to see Morroccans marrying INdonesians, tatars marrying Nigerians, Fijian Indians marrying Lebs, Pakis marrying absolutely anyone but other Pakis, and French people being castrated and taken out of the gene pool altogether
Why are you promoting these kind of thoughts? i mean you cant make haram what Allah has made halal...it is permissable...if poeple want to carry out this then so be it..."So let us stop marrying cousins" yeesh akhi c'mon you cant spread this message...if poeple wish to do so then let them...how is this going to help the factor of uniting???...Elaborate...WalaykumAsalaam x
Ya Muslimeen
Ya Mu’meneen
Open up your eyes
Aim for the ultimate prize
Which is paradise
Allah’s laws
By definition has no flaw
So why do we pause?
Tell me what’s the cause
Hold your applause
Takbir!!!!!
Allahu Akbar
Why are you promoting these kind of thoughts? i mean you cant make haram what Allah has made halal...it is permissable...if poeple want to carry out this then so be it..."So let us stop marrying cousins" yeesh akhi c'mon you cant spread this message...if poeple wish to do so then let them...how is this going to help the factor of uniting???...Elaborate...WalaykumAsalaam x
Blood makes the best ties, x Max x. To eliminate strife, let us reach outside of our little neighbourhoods to find diversity and grow families strong because of it.
Also, it prevents genetic diseases caused by inbreeding. ;-)
Peace,
Nahid
Why are you promoting these kind of thoughts? i mean you cant make haram what Allah has made halal...it is permissable...if poeple want to carry out this then so be it..."So let us stop marrying cousins" yeesh akhi c'mon you cant spread this message...if poeple wish to do so then let them...how is this going to help the factor of uniting???...Elaborate...WalaykumAsalaam x
Something tells me you are married to your cousin, are betrothed to your cousin, or fancy the pants off your cousin... And you are almost certainly a Paki or an Ayrab, right?!
If you are referring to the intentions behind the initial post (and to keep this thread from being derailed) I believe it was referring to the Muslim ummah.
THe fact of the matter is it IS allowed but is not meant to be taken as the standard.
ZANYAB BINT JAHSH is the only cousin of the wives of the Rasool. 1 out of 12 - and even that was because she was a divorcee of a match he made that went wrong.
What the Prophet DID do was strengthen alliances outside of his immediate tribes through marriage. And therein lies the same example for us today.
Adam and Eve are a myth invented to explain something that could not be understood by peoples in ancient times.
In your humble opinion... In ours they were very much real.
Tut tut... you are not going to get very far in discussions when you post 'facts' that go against the foundations of our religion. I can't wait to see you on other forums. 'Buddha was clearly too fat to walk so must therefore be an allegory'... Dude - just append 'in my opinion' and we should get along just fine.
2) Follow the Sunnah as instructed by the Prophet (Salallahu Alayhe wa Sallam)
3) I follow the Sunnah & advise other Muslims to do likewise. In reality, it's just that simple.
And that is it? There was a rather important book too... um - the Qu... Qur... the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy... yes, that's the one...
Jubba - your simplistic post is, mash'Allah, correct. In itself. But it is like you are saying - you want to get to the next town, you need a car - simple as that. THat is true. But... You need to tell us how to put petrol in that car. Which roads to follow. Indeed, where to get a car from and what sort to get. Some of us don't even know what a car is. Some of us are pretty sure the Prophet said an arc, not a car. etc etc...
You see, you are not telling us anything we don't know - no-one believes that the umah are following the sunnah in the way that they were intended to. We need to discover strategies for getting us to a point where we are all licensed, insured, full of fuel and have our seatbelts on.
But to stretch the analogy even further, alhamdulilah - we have the very best of guidance systems and naviation once we DO get to that stage.
I agree. But what I mean is this: When the Companions were told to do something, they simply said, "We hear and we obey." They didn't sit around and use their own intellect to try and justify to what extent they should or should not do something. If something was doubtful, they stayed away from it in order to safegaurd their deen. But today, Muslims have mixed alot of culture and "modern day thinking" in with the deen. WE are the ones that make things complicated. Following the Sunnah is easy. Remember, Allah gave us the PERFECT example.
I agree. But what I mean is this: When the Companions were told to do something, they simply said, "We hear and we obey." They didn't sit around and use their own intellect to try and justify to what extent they should or should not do something. If something was doubtful, they stayed away from it in order to safegaurd their deen. But today, Muslims have mixed alot of culture and "modern day thinking" in with the deen. WE are the ones that make things complicated. Following the Sunnah is easy. Remember, Allah gave us the PERFECT example.
Jubbs - when the companions were told to do something, they were being told by the Rasool pbuh. The best of generations had the best of examples. These days (Days of Fitnah if you are a Sha'afi!) we have a number of examples but disgreement on which if any are the best.
You identify the problems we have in the deen today of unqualified people making Ijtihad. We also have others (including many here) pulling ahadith out apparently at random and using them to back up spurious points. We have clowns learning baqarah and thinking that makes them a Shaykh.
Yes we have cultural misappropriation and we have an awful lot of bida too. A degree of cultural difference is not just acceptable it's healthy. But where the deen of Allah swt is compromised or sacraficed on the altar of modernity we must protest with hands, voice and hearts.
But equally, there are aspects of 21st century dunya that are of benefit. That are not just halal but wholesome. And that some elements of our deen *cough*Wafasalabis*cough* and their utter rejection of and denial of anything good in the 21st Century*** is as destructive and poisonous as bida.
And I daresay the intentions with all of these people are good, but...
Following the sunnah IS easy - as long as we are sure that we are following it correctly.
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