Your comments are obviously made without knowledge of the Quran.
In the hadith provided it is clear that use of musical instruments is not lawful, our prophet made it unlawful for us.
Let us look to the Quran InshaAllah..
"Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Messenger's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner." Surah Al maidah Ayah 92
All who obey Allah and the messenger are in the company of those on whom is the Grace of Allah,- of the prophets (who teach), the sincere (lovers of Truth), the witnesses (who testify), and the Righteous (who do good): Ah! what a beautiful fellowship! Surah An Nisa ayah 69
How Muhammad (saw) announce something Haraam when He (saw) has not any right to do it? (according to most of the persons) Hadith is the explanation of Quran and when Quran is silent over a matter then explanation? what for?
Qur'an 24:63, {. . . So let those who go against his (the Prophet) command beware, lest a trial befall them, or there befall them a painful chastisement.}
Qur'an 4:115, {And whoever opposes the Messenger after the guidance has been manifested unto him, and follows other than the believers' way, We appoint for him that unto which he has turned, and expose him him unto hell--a hapless journey's end!}
Qur'an 72:23, {. . . And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger,surely his is hell-fire, wherin such dwell forever.}
Qur'an 53:1-4, {By the star when it goes down, your companion is neither astray nor being misled, nor does he speak of desire, it is naught except an inspiration (wahy) that is inspired.}
Allah says: "What the Messenger teaches you, take it; and what he forbids you, avoid doing it." Qur'ân (59:7)
{Whoever obeys the Messenger, he thereby surely has obeyed Allah. . .}
Qur'an 4:80
So now looking at all this let us Humble ourselves correct our intentions and refelct on these ayahs with true sincerity
I suggest that we write to Qardawi and all the other scholars who say musical instruments are halaal that if they don't recant their fatwa they'll be condemned to the hell fire because they're the scholars and people around the world are following their fatawa.
Shouldn't we attack the source?
By the way, with all these so called clear proof, I was wondering whether the proponents of the impermissibility of music have actually done what I suggested? If you have, what were their replies? I'd like to know.
Because obviously their opinions have divided the ummah ESPECIALLY in this forum.
Takumi Nakashima WattaquLlah(a) wa yu'allimukumuLlah(u)
(Be Mindful of Allah and He will teach you)
that music is haraam? Listen to some of their remarks:
sweet surrow um ya i think its haram but its onli cuz of its wrds u noe the stupidity and etc
but if ur listening to an sialmic song it makes u feel coser to allah and gives a nice effect towards islam and makes u closer to allah
so in this case how can something that makes u closer to allah b haram?
what i listen to,they talk about whats going on in the world...about life ! sometimes the only way to really know whats goin on in this world is by listening to music.. music that means something.
Salamo Alykom.
If music is haram then why are there Islamic songs nowadays ?? There are many people who listen to islamic music,read the Quran,listen to the Quran and pray but at the same enjoy themselves and listen to music ! whats the big deal about that... Ok if the music u were listening to has some bad words and is a bad influence then its haram..but if its just normal music talking about everyday life then i think thats ok.
ok wats rong with the instruments they add a nice beet and mood to the song and makes u feel it wen the music hits looool
Guysss I think that listening to islamic (songs) is not described as haram i think... People nowadays can't live without songs so that was the only way...is to make islamic songs....I personally don't find anything wrong in that...besides i know a lot of my friends who listen new fashioned songs are being attracted to such....this is a significant mark.....allau2a3lam
Ok so I posted this hadith:
"The Prophet said (which means), "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allaah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." [Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 69, Number 494v].
and this was the reply I got:
WELL HOW DO WE NOE THAT THIS HADITH IS TRU BSIDES
NOWADAYS EVERY1S LIFE INCLUDES MUSIC MUSIC AND MORE MUISC SO PPL CAME UP, LIKE AYMAN SAID WITH ISLAMIC MUSIC TO MAKE UP FOR THOSE SONGS THAT DONT MAKES SENSE
AND LIEK I S AID IT HELPS U GET CLOSER TO ALLAH AND FEEL ISLAM HOW COULD THAT POSSIBLY B HARAM (STH THAT MAKES U CLOSER TO ALLAH AND FEEL ISLAM MORE???)
You don't have to sign up if you don't want, but I think they're so lost... I mean, not sure if sahih bukhari is true?:confused: :confused:
Your comments are obviously made without knowledge of the Quran.
In the hadith provided it is clear that use of musical instruments is not lawful, our prophet made it unlawful for us.
The hadiths are not actually part of the Qur'an, though, are they?
Is there any verse in the Qur'an that forbids musical instruments?
From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allaah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." [Al-Bukhari [/size][/font]
Does this mean people who commit illegal sexual acts, wear silk, drink alcohol or use musical instruments will be transformed into monkeys and pigs?
(I didn't realise wearing silk was haraam too - that's a new one for me...)
are you telling me in the 7 pages no one has explained that to you??
Hello TEH,
I assume you're talking to me (correct me if I'm wrong).
The simple answer is yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. So far, no-one has quoted me a verse from the Qur'an that forbids musical instruments. Is there one?
No real point to make, I just wanted to check that this ruling is based on the hadiths, not the Qur'an. I do have a question, though (as ever!)
I don't know what the system is for determining which hadiths are authentic and which are spurious, so I'll leave that to those who know more than me, but I'm wondering: could this account for the fact that there is some debate on this issue? After all, if something is in the Qur'an, then it is clear and final. If a ruling is mentioned in a hadith, then there is the question of whether a particular Muslim accepts this hadith as authentic or not. Have I understood this correctly, or am I on the wrong track?
That doesn't make it any less a joy and a pleasure to dialogue with you.
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I don't know what the system is for determining which hadiths are authentic and which are spurious, so I'll leave that to those who know more than me
It's actually quite simple (for some).
There are 3 steps to ahadith authenticiation, from which even one being flawed fabricates the hadith.
Sanad: Channel (chain) of narration; through whom is the narration narrated, and can they be trusted.
Luqa: Quranic compatibility with the hadith; the Prophet (saw) NEVER spoke against the Quran.
Ta`weel ul-Athr / Ta`weel fil-Iman: meaning of the transmitted statement, and its effects on Iman.
format_quote Originally Posted by Callum
Could this account for the fact that there is some debate on this issue?
Indeed, it could. As you may have seen, the member Khalid Zaheer has somehow concluded that we should heed only the Qur'an and not ahadith. There are a few posts of his in this thread and he has also made an interesting thread here.
format_quote Originally Posted by Callum
After all, if something is in the Qur'an, then it is clear and final. If a ruling is mentioned in a hadith, then there is the question of whether a particular Muslim accepts this hadith as authentic or not. Have I understood this correctly, or am I on the wrong track?
Yes, obviously what the Qur'an says should be accepted without question seeing as it has been preserved and there is no doubt as to it's authenticity. It is natural, however for someone to be in some doubt upon hearing a hadith but when it is proven authentic it should be accepted without doubt.
The Sunnah are the recorded actions and words of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). As I understand it, they are recorded in ahadith. I am not sure if they are recorded solely in ahadith, I could be wrong. As Ansar once theorised, we would have a difficult time interpreting verses and we would have very limited understanding of the religious practices if Islam were to be without the Sunnah.
Regards. And I hope a more knowledgeable person can clarify if the whole nine yards of what I just wrote is a ton of . . . . yeah.
Last edited by Uthman; 09-02-2005 at 06:16 PM.
"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
all praise is due to Allah (swt) and his beloved prophet (salallahu alahi hi wasalam) and the prophet (salallahu alai hi wasalam)'s family and all who follow them.
Hadith - Bukhari 7:494 Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments as lawful. And (from them), there will be some who will stay near the side of a mountain, and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and Allah will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."
now keep in mind that there are alot of books regarding the hadith of our beloved Prophet (salallahu alai hi wasalam.) but the most authentic out of all of them is the sahih bukhari. some people say this is the most truthful book after the Qur'an. and the hadith above is in this book hence it is authentic.
Sahih Al-Bukhari
The most truthful book, after Al-Qur'an. Compiled by Imam (leader) of Hadith, Mohammad ibn Ismail Al-Bukhari, born 194H in Bukhara, central Asia. He travelled at an early age seeking knowledge to Syria, Egypt, Iraq and Hijaz (Makka/Madina). He learnt from more than 1000 Scholars and collected nearly 600,000 Hadiths. He wrote many books especially on the bibliography of Hadith narrators and other books on various issues of Fiqh. However, his book Al-Jame' Al-Sahih which became known as Sahih Al-Bukhari, stands out for being the most authentic book of Hadith. It was also the first book to contain only authentic Hadiths, while previous books contained authentic and non-authentic Hadith, as well as sayings of Sahabah and others.
Imam Bukhari died in his hometown, Bukhara in the year 256H
Some facts about Sahih Al-Bukhari:
1. Contains 6,000 Hadith, many of which are repeated under different headings and in different forms.
2. The number of complete unrepeated Hadith is 2513.
3. All the Hadith mentioned are authentic
4. The conditions for accepting a Hadith were very stringent. Such as:
a. The chain of narrators must be linked, i.e. every narrator must have met his predecessor, (the man of whom he heard the Hadith from, up to the Prophet)
b. For to be enclosed in the Sahih, the narrators must be of the highest calibre regarding their piety, manners, memory, integrity, etc.
5. The book is not a mere book of narrations; it is essentially a course of study on Hadith, its derivatives, inductions and research.
6. Each one of its 97 chapters is headed by a relevant verse from the Qur'an that complements the meaning of the Hadiths quoted.
7. Finally, much more could be said about this monumental work, however, it is enough to say that many people have reached fame and achieved the highest qualifications by studying the book, researching it and commenting on it.
if you need more info. regarding the books of hadith; visit the following site:
I don't know what the system is for determining which hadiths are authentic and which are spurious, so I'll leave that to those who know more than me, but I'm wondering: could this account for the fact that there is some debate on this issue? After all, if something is in the Qur'an, then it is clear and final. If a ruling is mentioned in a hadith, then there is the question of whether a particular Muslim accepts this hadith as authentic or not. Have I understood this correctly, or am I on the wrong track?
Most Muslims do not reject the ahadith, and in this scenario the hadith cited is recognized as authentic by the scholars. The ones who do not accept rulings from hadith are normally ignorant of the sciences of Ahadith and Usool Al-Fiqh (principles of Islamic jurisprudence) in Islam. The difference of opinion comes mostly in interpreting the ahadith and putting all the different narrations together to get an overall understanding of the issue. In Islam, rulings are very seldom based on a single hadith.
Peace.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
just wanted to thank bro osman for all of his help on hadeer... i really appreciated it, but those people donn seem like they want to stop music... *sigh* how can people be so blind? anyways thanks again bro...
just wanted to thank bro osman for all of his help on hadeer... i really appreciated it, but those people donn seem like they want to stop music... *sigh* how can people be so blind? anyways thanks again bro...
That's no problem sister. But are you sure we want to be hanging around with these types of people?
"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
I was thinking I should leave anyways... You see I know the girl 'shorouk' and she's been begging me to sign up for months now... She told me it was a strict islamic site... and I don't see how she thinks music is okay... anyways, i guess i should leave... thanks again for ur help...
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what i listen to,they talk about whats going on in the world...about life ! sometimes the only way to really know whats goin on in this world is by listening to music.. music that means something.said (which means), "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allaah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." [Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 69, Number 494v].
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