Queenoftheworld, it seems that they haven't responded to my last post. Perhaps it's my age that makes me unworthy to debate with. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that. I was just trying to say that if someone like me can give up music, then surely they can do it too, know what I mean? Well, I'm not complaining. I doubt they'll listen even after clear proofs.
"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
Queenoftheworld, it seems that they haven't responded to my last post. Perhaps it's my age that makes me unworthy to debate with. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that. I was just trying to say that if someone like me can give up music, then surely they can do it too, know what I mean? Well, I'm not complaining. I doubt they'll listen even after clear proofs.
You put up a good fight, masha'allah... LOL, you got a whole lot across faster and more islamically than I did... But apparently, the people on that forum are exactly like my friend... They're stubborn...
But do you still wanna continue the debate? I think they know its haraam, but are too scared to say anything...
My husband is an Alim and although he believes music to be haraam, when it comes to Nasheeds he always says one should look at the intention behind them. Whether you are singing them or listening to them, if it is with good intentions, then it is ok to listen to them as long as there is no music involved.
Queenoftheworld, it seems that they haven't responded to my last post. Perhaps it's my age that makes me unworthy to debate with. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that.
Your age doesn't make you unworthy of debate... To be quite honest, they should ge ashamed that you were able to control yourself before they did and at your age ... well I know I was a bit embarrassed, because I still haven't fully stopped ... But I'm gettin there! May Allaah show them the right path.......
But do you still wanna continue the debate? I think they know its haraam, but are too scared to say anything...
If they do respond to my post, then let me know, will ya? InshaAllah, don't be so hard on yourself. We both tried our best.
My husband is an Alim and although he believes music to be haraam, when it comes to Nasheeds he always says one should look at the intention behind them. Whether you are singing them or listening to them, if it is with good intentions, then it is ok to listen to them as long as there is no music involved.
I don't mean any disrespect to your husband but to me a nasheed that has instruments is disobeying Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) regardless of whether the lyrics are halaal . He made clear that ma'aazif (musical instruments) are unlawful and there are no exceptions unless he says so.
"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
In the subject of musical instruments, scholars disagree on the matter. Some of them permit all sorts of singing, be it accompanied with musical instruments or not, and even consider it recommended. A second group of scholars permit singing only when is not accompanied with a musical instrument. A third group declare it to be prohibited whether it be accompanied with a musical instrument or not; they even consider it as a major sin. In supporting their view, they cite the hadith narrated by Imam Al-Bukhari on the authority of Abu Malik or Abu `Amir Al-Ash`ari (doubt from the sub-narrator) that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, 'From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk (clothes), the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.' Although this hadith is in Sahih Al-Bukhari, its chain of transmission is not connected to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and this invalidates its authenticity. Ibn Hazm rejects it for that very reason. Moreover, the sub-narrator, Hisham Ibn `Ammar is declared ‘weak’ by many scholars of the Science of Hadith Methodology.
Besides, this hadith does not clearly prohibit the use of musical instruments, for the phrase 'consider as lawful,' according to Ibn Al-`Arabi, has two distinct meanings:
First: Such people think all these (the things mentioned) are lawful.
Second: They exceed the proper limits that should be observed in using these instruments. If the first meaning is intended, such people would be thus disbelievers.
In fact, the hadith in hand dispraises the manners of a group of people who indulge themselves in luxuries, drinking alcohol and listening to music. Therefore, Ibn Majah narrates this hadith from Abu Malik Al-Ash`ari in the following wording: "From among my followers there will be some people who will drink wine, giving it other names while they listen to musical instruments and the singing of female singers; Allah the Almighty will make the earth swallow them and will turn them into monkeys and pigs.” (Reported by Ibn Hibban in his Sahih)
Don't get it.
"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
Its a common misconception to the muslims of today, but all forms of music are forbidden in islam. It seems hard to believe, because no one really preaches about it being forbidden that often, but there are many hadiths of the prophet (p.b.u.h) regarding to music and why it is forbidden.
* Almighty Allah Taãla says in the Noble Qurãn: ‘And there are some people who purchase idle talk… for them is a severe punishment’. Ibn Masóod (Radhiyallaahu Ánhu) says that this verse was revealed regarding singing.
* Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, ‘Allah ordered me to destroy musical instruments.’
* Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, ‘People from my Ummat will drink wine and give it other names and singing girls and musical instruments will be played before them. Allah will cause the earth to swallow them, and disfigure their faces into apes and pigs.’
* Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) mentioned, ‘When singing girls and musical instruments becomes common, wait for red winds, earthquakes, the earth swallowing people, disfiguring and many more punishments.’ (Mishkãt 470)
* Hadhrat Ibn Mas’ood (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) declared every wine, gambling, beating of drums and every intoxicant as Haraam. (Abu Dawud)
* Hadhrat Ali (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) prohibited the beating of drums. (Kanzul Ummaal)
* The Kubah (drum) is Haraam. (Bayhaqi; Musnad Bazzar)
“Whoever puts his trust in Allah, sufficient is Allah for him.”
in the majority of the nasheeds you have music, i saw that a staff member posted that its haraam to listen to musicc, so why do you still have them?
brother,
Brother, maybe its bcuz differnt ppls thoughts differ on whether music in nasheeds is aloud. Sum say it is, others do not. I think this MAY be the answer to your question.Sorry, if it isnt.
I mean, if you feel its not allowed, the refrain from listening to those nasheeds. I would recommend: Ahmad bukhatir. MashAllah, good meaning behind all of his nasheeds.
sister, music/instruments ARE haram, i dunno if u follow al-qaradawi, but if u look at the majority of todays scholars they say clearly that ALL instruments are haraam, and in the days of the prophet(saws) it was haraam
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Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that. I was just trying to say that if someone like me can give up music, then surely they can do it too, know what I mean? Well, I'm not complaining. I doubt they'll listen even after clear proofs.
... LOL, you got a whole lot across faster and more islamically than I did
... But apparently, the people on that forum are exactly like my friend... They're stubborn...
Re: Music is Haraam
... well I know I was a bit embarrassed, because I still haven't fully stopped
... But I'm gettin there!
May Allaah show them the right path.......
InshaAllah, don't be so hard on yourself. We both tried our best.
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