niqab...what do you think?

**Protected_Diamond** · 11-01-2005

asalamualykum warhmatulahi wabarakthu

Is it faraz upon the believing women to wear a niqqab? If yes is there any hadith's to prove this?

I wear the niqqab yeah (im not trying to big myself up or anyfin) but some of my mates feel that it's not faraz whereas i feel it is, but they mentioned that if you don't wear it in Hajj then im sure you don't need to wear it when you not in Hajj :sister:

discuss please

jazahka Allah khair

walakumasalaam warhmatulahi wabarakthu

**Umm Yoosuf** · 11-04-2005

Wa Alaikumusslaam 3washey

Masha Allah some wise words. Niqaab is a struggle. No one said its easy.

**sapphire** · 11-04-2005

sallamz...,
wearing niqaab is sunnat...but aalims say becoz of this day and age its like faraz....alhamdullialh i wear it...one problem though....its become a fashion item...i have friends who copied me and take it on and off and call themselves ninjas...and everyone looks at women who wear niqaab and think mashallah so pious but they should always look deeper...unbelivable some of the things niqaabi people do...and it shames other niqaabis....

**Pinkrose** · 11-06-2005

Yesterday..we went to this place called Flint and its 2 hours drive!! We were invited to this party thing or sumthin' that was from 2:00pm to 6:00pm(i didn't ask much about it i just went~lol~)!! But anyway we went there and there were a lot of muslim brothers and sisters!! There was a seperate room for the brothers and a seperate room for the sisters!! When we went in the sisters room....subhanallah i felt so much in my heart!! Just to see all my muslim sisters dressed so properly and united and helping one another!! It was soooooooooooooo beautiful!! We kept hearing assalaamu'alaykum and ppl meeting eachother and comments and all sorts of kind words!! Everyone was sooooooooo respectful!! Sisters kept coming to us and we were trying to get to know eachother!! The thing that really made me sad was that everyone of the sisters was wearing the niqaab except us!!:'( I was soooooooo jelous!! I really wanted to wear the niqaab and look as beautiful and modest as they did!! When we came in the car i told my dad about how everyone was wearing the niqaab and how i was so jelous..but that still didn't change his mind!!:'( Alhamdulilah i was so happy to see them and may Allah reward them for their efforts!! The niqaab to me means soooooooo much but i just wish that my dad would let me!!*sighs* May Allah reward all of my muslim sisters who are wearing the niqaab!! Ameen!!

:rose:

**Protected_Diamond** · 11-06-2005

awwwwwwh!! that party sounds so cool lol, wish i went...insha Allah your dad will let you ameen!! :sister: just keep praying sis

**Pinkrose** · 11-06-2005

Originally Posted by Proud ukht

awwwwwwh!! that party sounds so cool lol, wish i went...insha Allah your dad will let you ameen!! :sister: just keep praying sis

Ameen!!:happy1:
Yeah..the party was cool!! Alhamdulilah!!
Inshallah i'll keep praying!!:sister:
Jazaakalahu'khayran!!:rose:

**modez** · 11-07-2005

Its kind of a natural reaction for me. If i see a women in niqab, i have soooooo much respect for her, my heart just changes

. All women should be respected to the max!!. Its a sad reality when they doll up to impress the opposite sex, but once married they dont bother, you wake up next to a scruffy rag (after marriage).

**Pinkrose** · 11-07-2005

Scrauffy Rag?

What do you mean?

~lol~ sry but i'm kinda slow!!

**modez** · 11-07-2005

Originally Posted by Pinkrose

Scrauffy Rag?

What do you mean?

~lol~ sry but i'm kinda slow!!

woops... i meant a scruffy rag as in not caring for her looks once married.

A whole different scenario once she's out and about, she's like miss universe.:mad: (ive been told many a times). Is this usually the case?? naaaah man whats happenin.

**Pinkrose** · 11-07-2005

Not caring how she looks!?:eek:
Well thats not all women!!
I know for one thats not me!! I can never stand it when sumone doesn't care about how they look!! Specially when they are at home!! Thats when u actually get to dress the way you want!! I don't understand why they don't care the way they look but they should!! Besides your supposed to look nice for your husband!! Well...i can't do nothing!!

But anyway thanx for explaining what you meant bro!!

**jay** · 11-07-2005

Hi, sorry its probably not my place to comment....but, and I guess this only really applies if you are unsure of the religious prescription, but if you have a choice between niqab and headscarf hijab, why not have hijab... as it means that we can see each others facial expressions!

Maybe there is a danger in crossing the line between being modest and becoming invisible? Although our eyes can say a lot, and we can still speak from under layesrs of cloth, is relying on niqab for modesty too much? Isn't our intention and behaviour more important, by which I mean, dressing as we are comfortable and being modest in our approach and actions. Isn't it dangerous to concentrate too much on the outside - whether as a guide to faith or lack of it?

It seems like men can find anything physical to judge us on... if we cover everything but our feet, they will look at that! If we cover everything and can't even see our way, would they judge what colour we are covering with? Surely its not all the women's responsibility - men should also be careful about how they look at us, and making a judgement about a women based on whether she covers 70% or 80% is surely forgetting to concentrate on more important things - faith, character, and so on.

I realise that these arguments can kind of go both ways, and its all about drawing a line. However, especially in non-Muslim countries, modesty is to a certain degree, a relative concept. No-one is going to be staring too much at your face if you don't flirt etc and especially when there are plenty of women around wearing mini-skirts who want to be stared at

What do you think?
I hope I haven't offended anyone,,,just thinking 'out loud'

**Rabi'ya** · 11-07-2005

sister Jay

I hae to say I agree with alot of what you said. Modesty, as im sure it has been said before, is much more to do with your actions and behaviour than the way you dress, although again this does play a big part.

Its true what you said about being judged on something, no matter how u dress. For Example someone once said to me "OMG look at that woman wearing a red jilbab with a niqab" really it doesnt matter - i dont think- that woman had the intention to cover and was doing it to the best of her ability....and as Muslim sisters we should be sticking together not judging each other.

You certainly did not offend me - sister Jay. I think you made a lot of valid points

Rabi'ya:rose:

**Umm Yoosuf** · 11-07-2005

Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatulaahi Wa Barakatuh

but if you have a choice between niqab and headscarf hijab, why not have hijab...

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Ahzab 33:59

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils)* all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

*the arabic word here is Jalabeeb (plural of Jalbaab), which is the loose outer garment that covers all a woman's body. It says here to use the Jalabeeb to cover all, and scholars say this means to use it to cover her head (agree upon by all scholars) and her face (agreed by many scholars, not all) and one or both eyes, in order for it to be known that she is a free woman and so not to be exposed to any harm.

'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): 'They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,' was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces." Hadith - Bukhari 6:282

The Niqaab as said before theres 2 opinion, some Scholars consider it wajib others don't. However if a sister wants to wear it what is wrong in that. She wants to follow the foot steps of the sahabiyat! She wants more reward from Allah subhana Wa Ta'aala. Her body is her business, no man a right to see it.

is relying on niqab for modesty too much?

No i don't think so.

Isn't our intention and behaviour more important, by which I mean, dressing as we are comfortable and being modest in our approach and actions. Isn't it dangerous to concentrate too much on the outside - whether as a guide to faith or lack of it?

Yes indeed out intention and behaviour are imporant. And the Hijab?

why not have hijab... as it means that we can see each others facial expressions!

Maybe there is a danger in crossing the line between being modest and becoming invisible? Although our eyes can say a lot, and we can still speak from under layesrs of cloth, is relying on niqab for modesty too much?

The Niqaab Is not a matter of seen eachers facial expression sister or one shuting themselves out of society. Theres more to the Hijab/Niqaab then this!

It seems like men can find anything physical to judge us on... if we cover everything but our feet, they will look at that! If we cover everything and can't even see our way, would they judge what colour we are covering with? Surely its not all the women's responsibility -

The hijab is not there for men to judge us. Its Allah alone. So i don't care the least if a brother said why doesn't she wear niqaab or why that colour of the hijab. As long as i am following what Allah and His Messeger ordered me that is good enough for me!

Surely its not all the women's responsibility - men should also be careful about how they look at us, and making a judgement about a women based on whether she covers 70% or 80% is surely forgetting to concentrate on more important things - faith, character, and so on.

Yes sister to a certian degree i do agree but the Hijab does play a big part. Islam is also action! Someone can tell you all they like about someones faith (iman), character etc but if you can't see any action what then?

I realise that these arguments can kind of go both ways, and its all about drawing a line. However, especially in non-Muslim countries, modesty is to a certain degree, a relative concept. No-one is going to be staring too much at your face if you don't flirt etc and especially when there are plenty of women around wearing mini-skirts who want to be stared at

So whats your point here sister? Theres no need for wearing the niqaab?

**S_87** · 11-07-2005

Maybe there is a danger in crossing the line between being modest and becoming invisible? Although our eyes can say a lot, and we can still speak from under layesrs of cloth, is relying on niqab for modesty too much?

hmmm makes me wonder how a woman covering her eyes would respond.

Isn't our intention and behaviour more important, by which I mean, dressing as we are comfortable and being modest in our approach and actions. Isn't it dangerous to concentrate too much on the outside - whether as a guide to faith or lack of it?

you speak aloud sis-thats fine- but remember - even though you may not personally like niqab for yourself it was practised by the best of our women.
we should note-that when there is a difference of opiinion- muslims are obliged to refer to the Quran and Sunnah.

Sure Nisaa-verse 59
If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.

It seems like men can find anything physical to judge us on... if we cover everything but our feet, they will look at that!

cover your feet aswell

If we cover everything and can't even see our way, would they judge what colour we are covering with? Surely its not all the women's responsibility - men should also be careful about how they look at us, and making a judgement about a women based on whether she covers 70% or 80% is surely forgetting to concentrate on more important things - faith, character, and so on.

yes sister you are 101% right. it is the duty of men to lower their gaze- But- and thres a big but... can a woman rely on the fact that every single man will look down. no man will look/touch even molest them? no ! there are sick people around whom we cannot control. yes-not every man is bad- there are those that look down but there are also those that look up-the covering is to protect you from All.
in sure Ahzab -verse 59 that is made clear

O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.

I realise that these arguments can kind of go both ways, and its all about drawing a line. However, especially in non-Muslim countries, modesty is to a certain degree, a relative concept. No-one is going to be staring too much at your face if you don't flirt etc and especially when there are plenty of women around wearing mini-skirts who want to be stared at

if only it was that way sis..

it too is not my intention to offend you.

**modez** · 11-07-2005

Every young women when leaving the home will want a non mahram to look at her (at least 5%), its probably natural (isn't it). But then some kill it man,:mad: with their overacting little flirty actions, in niqab, yuck.:eek: Some use it as a fashion accessory. Its proper spooky when they try to eye you up in their niqab. Id have to run a mile. Its proper shame the way they misuse thier wicked outfit, its an outfit for respect and i give respect to them, it comes naturally (then they start their flirty little moves, and you think 'should they be respected' naaaaah.

**Rabi'ya** · 11-07-2005

brother

have to say i disagree with you. I do not and cannot imagine ever wanting a non mehram to notice me in public. i would rather my husband look at me. yuk! how degrading to think of a non - mehram looing at me in public.

I agree with you on the fashion accessory bit. i think its wrong that some people wear niqab as a fashion accessory.if they wanna wear it at least they can wear it for the right reasons.

Rabi'ya:rose:

**Zuko** · 11-07-2005

Originally Posted by modez

Its kind of a natural reaction for me. If i see a women in niqab, i have soooooo much respect for her, my heart just changes

. All women should be respected to the max!!. Its a sad reality when they doll up to impress the opposite sex, but once married they dont bother, you wake up next to a scruffy rag (after marriage).

Could you cut that nonsense before you start something? I'm sick of your dumb and rude comments about women 'looking like frankenstein' or 'a scruffy rag'. Look at your own freakin' face for a change and quit passing judgments. Are you married? If not, then stay quiet. Just because you hear something doesn't make it true. You think those fools who walk around degrading their wives in public to their friends are good husbands? More like idiots, calling their wives frankenstein. I'm sick of your little comments on how women look after marriage. You're not married, and neither are you a woman so you DON'T KNOW.

**sapphire** · 11-07-2005

looks like you got told bro modez.....y is it that guys always make the comments of how girls are..i mean we are the girls...and we experience girls life....yet its the guys that always have something to say about us....and then judge alllll women by most likly the women they see.everyone has been created uniquely.....anyway..has anyone looked at guys for a change....how do they "doll" up...i mean seriously...:mad:

**Zuko** · 11-07-2005

Originally Posted by sapphire

looks like you got told bro modez.....y is it that guys always make the comments of how girls are..i mean we are the girls...and we experience girls life....yet its the guys that always have something to say about us....and then judge alllll women by most likly the women they see.everyone has been created uniquely.....anyway..has anyone looked at guys for a change....how do they "doll" up...i mean seriously...:mad:

No one says anything when they go around flirting with girls, or gell up their hair and spike them or style it in stupid ways... Thank you for understanding sapphire... When it comes to women, its as if they're the ones who are messed up, and they who are responsible for everything... Ugh, MEN! :grumbling :grumbling :grumbling :grumbling :grumbling

**modez** · 11-07-2005

Originally Posted by Aalimah

Could you cut that nonsense before you start something? I'm sick of your dumb and rude comments about women 'looking like frankenstein' or 'a scruffy rag'. Look at your own freakin' face for a change and quit passing judgments. Are you married? If not, then stay quiet. Just because you hear something doesn't make it true. You think those fools who walk around degrading their wives in public to their friends are good husbands? More like idiots, calling their wives frankenstein. I'm sick of your little comments on how women look after marriage. You're not married, and neither are you a woman so you DON'T KNOW.

I was only stating the facts. As ive mentioned before, women dont bother after marriage, whats wrong with that? I may have gone a little far with my comments, but thats how i feel. Its an open forum where discussions take place. If ive offended you, then your probably the one on the right path, and will do good in the eyes of Allah and please your future husband...Insha'Allah.

**Far7an** · 11-07-2005

Assalamu alaikum

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