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    Salamoalaykum, I am a muslim convert. For the past 4 years alhamdullah, I have been learning Islam and struggling as a new muslim. At work there is a muslim gentleman who I have become particularly fond of, my modesty and shyness causes me to not even look at him more than what is necessary during work and to just as seldom speak to him. Yet, in these past weeks I have known him I have fell deeply in love with him, I found out his attends an Islamic university overseas and has memorized the entire Quran. His manners are immaculate. I love him so much and wish to pursue a relationship, however, it must be purely Islamic. I am afraid that my shyness and extreme modesty has made him think that I do not like him. After we greet eachother I do all that is possible to either turn my back and avoid him because of my shyness. How can I send him the right message without it being 1) haram and 2) culturally wrong (he is egyptian) or 3) strange.

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    Re: Love Dillemma

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    Love is not an 'act' to be classified as haram.. love is a feeling.. are you punished for feelings? sadness, joy, anger? it all depends on what you do with that feeling..

    Al-Khansaa’ bint Khidaam complained to the Prophet that her father wanted her to marry someone she didn’t want, saying “I do not wish to accept what my father has arranged.” The Prophet said, “Then this marriage is invalid, go and marry whomever you wish.” Al-Khansaa’ said, “I have actually accepted what my father has arranged, but I wanted women to know that fathers have no right in their daughter’s matters” (i.e. they have no right to force a marriage on them). (Fath Al-Barî Ibn Hajr, Sunan Ibn Mâjah)

    Marry whom you like.. that is all I have to say on the matter

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    Re: Love Dillemma

    format_quote Originally Posted by cat eyes View Post
    she hasnt connected with the guy because she has just mentioned that she is shy btw these posts are not coming across so good from the sisters at all. love is HARAM ACT depending on how that love got there in the first place. if he is flirting with her, hes more then likely a bad egg
    I connected with my husband the second i saw him, it was like lightening... he said hi to me and i loved him...

    Ok maybe connect was the wrong word but spark, lightening whatever. you took that too literal. most of the sisters answers have been encouraging. Im not sure if we are reading them the same way.
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    Re: Love Dillemma

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    Love is not an 'act' to be classified as haram.. love is a feeling.. are you punished for feelings? sadness, joy, anger? it all depends on what you do with that feeling..
    the feeling it self is not haram now on somthing things the feelings make u do somthing Haram and other times this feeling comes from doing somthing haram

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    Al-Khansaa’ bint Khidaam complained to the Prophet that her father wanted her to marry someone she didn’t want, saying “I do not wish to accept what my father has arranged.” The Prophet said, “Then this marriage is invalid, go and marry whomever you wish.” Al-Khansaa’ said, “I have actually accepted what my father has arranged, but I wanted women to know that fathers have no right in their daughter’s matters” (i.e. they have no right to force a marriage on them). (Fath Al-Barî Ibn Hajr, Sunan Ibn Mâjah)
    indeed Baarak Allah feeki the wali cant force her to marry anyone she has to agree but she cant marry anyone if the wali doesnt agree so both have to agree

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    Marry whom you like.. that is all I have to say on the matter

    Yes great advice sis may Allah reward u sis Ameen Marry whom u like ayn but do it right and islamic and the answer to that is in the thread Baarak Allah feeki ayn islam is perfect and its ruling are great for our benifit even if we fail to understand so stick to the sunnah and have someone talk to him or get a mahram and talk to him ur self other wise dont do anything with out a mahram and another advice is to leave this work that has u free mixing Allah is Al razaq
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    Re: Love Dillemma

    7058 views Can a Muslim woman ask a Muslim man to...? print en - Love Dillemma mail - Love Dillemma

    Can a Muslim woman ask a Muslim man to marry her? Does the Hadeeth also refer to a woman asking a man?
    The Prophet (p.b.u.h.) said: "If there comes to you one whose religious commitment and attitude please you, then marry (your female relative who is under your care) to him, for if you do not do that, there will be tribulation on earth and much corruption." (al-Tirmidhi and classed as Saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan al-Tirmidhi, 1084).

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    Praise be to Allah.

    We are happy to congratulate you on choosing the path of the Prophets and of the wise, which is Tawheed, the belief in Allah alone, and the testimony that Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) is His Messenger.

    With regard to the idea of a Muslim woman offering herself in marriage to a righteous man, that does not contradict the idea of modesty, so long as he is trustworthy with regard to his religious commitment and moral attitude. It was narrated that Thaabit al Banaani said: "I was with Anas ibn Maalik and a daughter of his was with him. He said: 'A woman came to the Messenger of Allah (p.b.u.h.) and offered herself in marriage to him. She said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, do you want to marry me?' The daughter of Anas said: 'How little was her modesty. How shameless, how shameless!' Anas said: 'She was better than you; she had a liking for the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) so she offered herself in marriage to him.'" (al-Bukhaari 4828)

    Imam al-Bukhaari included this Hadeeth in a chapter which he entitled: "A woman offering herself in marriage to a righteous man."

    Al-Hafiz ibn Hajar said: "Ibn al-Munayyir said in al-Haashiyah: 'One of the subtle points of al-Bukhaari’s knowledge is that he from the specific story of the woman who offered herself in marriage to the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) he derived a general principle; he understood that it is permissible for any woman to offer herself in marriage to a righteous man whose righteousness she admires, and if he likes her he may marry her subject to the conditions of marriage being fulfilled.'"

    These two Ahaadeeth – the Hadeeth of Sahl and the Hadeeth of Anas, both of which mention the woman who offered herself in marriage to the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) – indicate that it is permissible for a woman to offer herself in marriage to a man, and to let him know that she has a liking for him, and there is nothing wrong with her doing so. And the one to whom a woman offers herself in marriage has the choice of either accepting or refusing, but he does not have to express his refusal outright, rather it is sufficient for him to remain silent. (Fath al-Baari, 9/175)

    Al-‘Ayni said: "The words of Anas to his daughter: 'She is better than you' indicate that it is permissible for a woman to offer herself in marriage to a righteous man, and to tell him of her liking for him because of his righteousness and virtue, or because of his knowledge and honor, or for some characteristic of religious commitment, and that there is no shame on her if she does that, rather that is a sign of her virtue. The daughter of Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) looked at the externals and she did not understand this properly until Anas said: 'She is better than you.' As for the woman who offers herself in marriage to a man for some worldly purpose, this is something that is abhorrent in the extreme." (Umdat al-Qaari’ Sharh Saheeh al-Bukhaari, 20/1130)

    But it is better for a woman to inform her wali (guardian) of her desire to marry a righteous man who is trustworthy with regard to his religious commitment and his moral attitude, without telling the man bluntly. This may be understood from what one of the two women did, when she said to her father – concerning Moosa (peace be upon him): “And said one of them (the two women): ‘O my father! Hire him! Verily, the best of men for you to hire is the strong, the trustworthy’”
    (al-Qasas 28:26)

    al-Qurtubi said: "With regard to the words of Allah: He said: ‘I intend to wed one of these two daughters of mine to you, on condition that you serve me for eight years…'"

    (al-Qasas 28:27)

    Here the father offered his daughter in marriage to the man. This is an established custom whereby the righteous man of Madyan offered his daughter in marriage to a righteous man of the Children of Israel, ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab offered his daughter Hafsah in marriage to Abu Bakr and Uthmaan, and the woman who offered herself in marriage offered herself to the Prophet (p.b.u.h.). So it is good for a man to offer his female relative who is under his care in marriage, and for a woman to offer herself in marriage to a righteous man, following the example of the righteous salaf. Ibn Umar said: "When Hafsah became single (due to her husband's death), Umar said to Uthmaan: 'If you wish, I will marry Hafsah Bint Umar to you.'" (al-Bukhaari, 4005, Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 13/271)

    But it should be noted that most of what happens nowadays, when a woman likes a particular man, is the result of Haraam causes, such as a careless attitude on her part whereby she talks to him and sits with him. A person who has evil motives may take advantage of such an offer to achieve some of his aims. So we must beware of this and protect our honor from anything that may besmirch it.

    And Allah knows best.

    By: Shaikh Salih Bin Fawzan
    Source: 63.175.194.25/



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    Re: Love Dillemma

    format_quote Originally Posted by Umar^111 View Post
    the feeling it self is not haram n

    I am not ignoring your post, we posted at the same time..
    khyer insha'Allah..
    I hope the sheikh's fatwa:
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    Re: Love Dillemma

    ok Asalamu alaykum
    I personal think what needs to be said has been said and if it is not clear sis what u must do ask a truthworthy scholar there have emails numbers etc to contact them
    Ps when a person ask about an islamic matter we shouldnt use or experiences or thoughts and our opinion we have quran and sunnah to advices us so inshallah when a question is asked about islam and haram halal thing we go to the source and speak on it and what it says nothing more saying it is ok for her to talk to him is wrong unless u say with a mahram to say take the number and or email to better know him is wrong and we shouldnt say this. to say anything other then have a marham there when u talk to him or have someone else talk to him to propose to u if he is intrested to ur wali is wrong. I advice u not for anything else but for the sake of Allah to find a diff job where there isnt free mixing and also do what is right concerning this matter
    May Allah grant us success! and make our hearts firm in islam and make our eman strong
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    Re: Love Dillemma

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    I am not ignoring your post, we posted at the same time..
    khyer insha'Allah..
    I hope the sheikh's fatwa:
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    will act as a surrogate on our behalf to help her reach the right decision insha'Allah

    Jazaki Allahu Khayr for the fatwa may Allah reward you Ameen

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    Re: Love Dillemma

    That is precisely why I got a scholarly fatwa to the same question.. four pages of opinions are bound to cause confusion and a rift amongst members..
    also not everyone knows of every last detail about the situation that the sister must assess for herself whether on the availability of walis...

    we shouldn't impose guilt on others or make a difficult situation more difficult by casting doubts on either of their characters or their intentions...


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    Re: Love Dillemma

    format_quote Originally Posted by Umar^111 View Post
    Jazaki Allahu Khayr for the fatwa may Allah reward you Ameen

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    Re: Love Dillemma

    This is always the best way to give advice daleel right after it as u have done sis inshallah
    And about the wali there is no marrige without a wali as far as i know that is what the prophet said and if family cant be wali then a muslim judge shaykh or imam must act as wali
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    ^^ indeed.. I am under the impression that she has no wali, in which case she can appoint an imam on her behalf insha'Allah

    I will be happy for them both insha'Allah, if all goes well

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    Re: Love Dillemma

    sis for some reason the source isnt working do u know the source of this fatwa
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    islamicfinder.org

    try to refresh the page.. it worked fine, I just tried it...

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    Re: Love Dillemma

    the sheikh Shaikh Salih Bin Fawzan is part of this council...

    http://www.saudiembassy.net/latest_n...s02140909.aspx

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    Re: Love Dillemma

    no sis i know who Sheikh Salih bin Fawzan bin Alfawzan is he is a great scholar but i mean where is the fatwa from what book of his i looked for it and i found the same fatwa but it isnt by fawzan the person who posted it on that link put fowzans name on it and this is very very wrong the fatwa isnt by him i had a felling it wasnt from him but didnt say anything till i looked it up. this fatwa is by those who run islamqa NOT FROM Shaykh fawzan http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/20916...ighteous%20man u can see it for ur self so as for that link u posted if u can email them to fix it that would be nice
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    Re: Love Dillemma

    the link isn't islamqa it is islamicfinder.org
    I don't have a book by him, I searched the islamic websites I frequent mainly islamonline and islamicfinder.. either way I can't accuse anyone of plagiarism as I have no clue whether or not it was plagiarized in his name the link you included has no name as far as I can see.. possible it fell on my blind spot as I have a migraine..

    but if it is of concern to you, then please bring the matter to the attention of the appropriate authorities.. as I am not quite sure I understand what you perceive to be the problem?

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    Re: Love Dillemma

    yea sis the one u gave me is on islamfinder the say it is from fowzan and it isnt it is a fatwa by those who run islamqa he copied it and put fawzans name
    so just to let u know it is not by fawzan
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    The first question of Fatwa no. 6400

    Q 1: is it permissible for a woman to propose to a good Muslim brother, when she sees that he is Multazim (a practicing Muslim), as did Lady Khadijah bint Khuwaylid (may Allah be pleased with her)? If Islam permits this, would it not undermine the woman’s dignity afterwards? What are the conditions that it is obligatory for a woman to observe if she admires a Muslim brother’s morals, Islam, and committed adherence to Allah’s Book and the Sunnah (whatever is reported from the Prophet) of His Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him)?

    A: If the matter is as mentioned, it is permissible for her to offer herself in marriage to this man or his like, and there is nothing wrong with this, as this was done by Khadijah (may Allah be pleased with her) and the woman mentioned in Surah Al-Ahzab who gave herself in marriage. This was also done by ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) when he offered his daughter Hafsah in marriage to Abu Bakr and then to ‘Uthman (may Allah be pleased with both of them).

    ( Part No : 18, Page No: 49)

    May Allah grant us success! May peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family, and Companions!

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    س1: هل يصح أن تتقدم الفتاة لطلب يد (للزواج) من أخ كريم في الله؟ لما تجد فيه من صفات المسلم الملتزم، كما فعلت السيدة خديجة بنت خويلد رضي الله عنها؟ وإذا كان الإسلام يبيح هذا هل هذا لا يكون فيه إهدار لكرامة الفتاة بعد ذلك؟ أو ما هي الشروط التي يجب أن تفعلها الفتاة إذا أعجبت بأخ في الله، حيث أعجبها فيه أخلاقه وإسلامه والتزامه بكتاب الله وسنة رسوله محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم؟.

    ج1: إذا كان الأمر كما ذكر شرع لها أن تعرض نفسها على ذلك الرجل أو نحوه، ولا حرج في ذلك فقد فعلته خديجة رضي الله عنها وفعلته الواهبة المذكورة في سورة الأحزاب، وفعله عمر رضي الله عنه بعرضه ابنته حفصة على أبي بكر ثم على عثمان رضي الله عنهما.

    ( Part No : 18, Page No: 49)

    وبالله التوفيق، وصلى الله على نبينا محمد وآله وصحبه وسلم.

    اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والإفتاء

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    I have no way to verify that.. possible your link just plagiarized the first one or copied with permission without giving credit .. the only way to find that out is to write the sheikh himself, and I don't have enough interest in doing so, since he amended or whomever wrote it amended the articles with properly cited ahadiths.. nonetheless, you are free to do so and let us know the outcome insha'Allah..

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    ukhtii Barak Allah feeki islamicfinder website doesnt write fatwas islamqa does and there fatwas are from them or other scholars and when they uses other scholars they mention book page and who it is never have they not and they wont as for the books of fowzan i have looked in the ones i have and the one my friends have and we couldnt find it any where so the fatwa isnt by fowzan let me show u somthing look at this http://islamqa.com/en/ref/91142/nasheed it is off topic but to show u when islamqa uses scholars what they do pls look at link
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    I don't see a name for this fatwa either.. either way, I really don't see a problem, the fatwa seems sound and amended with cited ahadiths no matter who wrote it.. but there is really little I can do about the matter... either way if you are upset that, they have used the sheikh's name in error I'd recommend you write them or him directly. It isn't something that I have personally found out or claim to understand the importance of or convinced of its consequence.. thus it isn't my battle to fight.. the fatwa isn't deviant to the teachings of Islam which should go with man's nature and fitrah.

    and I find it on the lowest common denominator better than passing opinions on this thread which might send a new convert into confusion and actually controvert the purpose we are trying to achieve ...

    khyer insha'Allah..

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