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    Trinity led me to Islam (OP)


    The Trinity Led Me to Islam



    An Irish Dentist Embraces Islam


    My name is Roger Hadden, and I am originally from Dungannon in Northern Ireland. I am a dentist currently working in England. I have lived in Northern Ireland and Scotland, and I am now based in England. I was raised as a Christian, and my parents are born-again Christians.

    Although I was raised with the teachings of the Bible, I did not particularly adhere to its principles. I suppose I was like most British youth, in that I liked to have fun but maybe didn't know where the limits were set.


    While I did not practice any religion, I always believed that there was a God. I was scientifically minded, but realized that acknowledging there was a Big Bang did not necessarily rule out the possibility of there being a God who controlled and planned this event.


    We could not have come out of nothing, and we did not create ourselves, so we must have been created. I thought about God from time to time, but it never had a real impact on my heart. My first encounter with Islam I suppose was the media, but I tend not to judge people or things until I see or find out about them myself and hear both sides of the story.


    When I went to university I met many Muslims. At that time we discussed religion a little, but I was not seriously thinking about becoming religious. My desires were too strong, so I just wanted to enjoy myself.


    At that time, I knew that at some stage I would want to change my ways and become a Christian. I then would also want to find out about other religions and understand what makes people believe in them. When I was in final year at university, I made plans to reform myself and become as my parents, a "born-again Christian". So I started my research with reading the Bible.


    The concept of the Trinity always bothered me, and it was my main aim to understand it. I remember as a child wanting to ask God for something. I was not sure whether to pray to God or to pray to Jesus. I decided to pray to God as I knew if He created everything, then He will hear me and help me.


    I spoke to some ministers, and several attempts were made to explain the Trinity. None of them convinced me. I continued to read the Bible, searching for the truth.


    Obviously I am not a scholar in the Christian religion but the Trinity issue bugged me. Why did the Old Testament prophets all pray to God and do righteous acts hoping for God's forgiveness? Who did Jesus pray to?


    There was no mention of the Trinity in the Old Testament, and many argue none in the New Testament. I knew God did not change, so there was a problem somewhere. I spoke to my friends at University. Some were Sikhs, Catholics, atheists, and some were Muslims.


    My conversion changed my life completely, and looking back I know I made the correct decision


    When I found out that Islam commands the worship of One God, and not to make any partners with Him, I was very interested. I continued reading the Bible and Christian sources but also started reading some Islamic books.

    I read that Muslims believe that God sent his message to mankind through different prophets since Adam the first man. All the prophets believed in only One God and they also believed that there was going to be a day of reckoning when everyone will be raised and judged.


    I realized that this is what I believe, and what I thought the Bible was saying to me. I discussed things with my parents, and they were not too impressed. Within a couple of months by the grace of God I became a Muslim.


    My conversion changed my life completely, and looking back, I know I made the correct decision, thank God. Instead of living my life in a selfish way pleasing my desires, I try now to help others and please my Lord. I have now been a Muslim for five years and I am still learning new and amazing things about the religion.


    Every time I hear something "negative" about the religion, I get the issue explained to me and it turns out to be a very positive and beautiful thing. I am continuing to learn Arabic and the Quran.


    In my career it has made me much more focused, and I now desire to do everything to my best ability. My friends at university are often surprised with regards to my change, especially relating to dentistry.


    My parents believed I was brainwashed, and many of my friends thought, and still think, it is just a phase. As it has been over five years now, my parents know it is not just a phase.


    I first told my parents that I was thinking of becoming a Muslim, and they told me that it was a "hate religion" and that I should not do it. We talked about it for a while, and as I was convinced, I was sure I had to do it. I did not want to be punished in the next life.


    A few months later I took the best step and embraced Islam. The same day my Dad bought me a car, not as a conversion gift, rather, it was his kindness and it just happened to be on the same day.


    Since university, I have always lived away from my parents but I try to visit them a couple of times a year. Overall though, I feel my relationship with my parents has improved, as I try to be good to them as God commands in the Quran.


    I have moved on from university and lost contact with many of my friends, some I speak to now and again, but as with life, we keep moving on and old friends we see less of and new friends are made.


    I am currently working as a dentist in the UK. I am working and doing a part time masters program. I am learning Arabic, and I regularly attend Islamic talks and seminars in order to increase my knowledge.


    I am married to a very special lady and we have, by the grace of God a beautiful 1-year-
    old boy named Ismael (Ishmael from the Bible). We are trying to improve as Muslims, and we would like to travel abroad to a Muslim country. Ideally we would both love to study Islam to a higher level, so we are looking for opportunities to fulfill this dream.


    By Roger Hadden
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    Re: Trinity led me to Islam

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    "Recently two good friends died suddenly and within weeks of each other."
    I am sorry for your loss. I hope you will remember that God is most Compassionate, most Merciful.

    As a Muslim, I find it frustrating that Christians futiley try to explain the trinity---when will they get it into their heads that this cannot be explained to Muslims....? Christians can't even agree within themselves about all the convoluted doctrines......

    There are many converstions that Muslims and Christians can have together---trinity is simply not one of them.
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    Re: Trinity led me to Islam

    format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ View Post
    You should try answering the previous questions before posing new ones!
    Christians accept that Jesus was divine, God incarnate and they do this because the evidence from His life, work, teaching, death and resurrection assure us of this. So this is not some analogy it is for us a fact. If you choose to ignore the evidence and go some other way that is a matter for you.

    Since you were unable to answer in the case of the bridge over hell then it is obvious it is an analogy. If it is real then getting into heaven is not a matter of Gods mercy but some kind of obstacle course: slippery, clamps, narrow, bent ends and so on and implies that even unbelievers can make it if they manage to avoid the obstacles although some will end up in Heaven with scratches so imperfect.


    You should see a counselor!
    I see so the Islamic way of dealing with life's ups and downs is to seek a counsellor? Well that is also the Christian way for we are told the God is a mighty counsellor.
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    Re: Trinity led me to Islam

    format_quote Originally Posted by siam View Post
    @ hugo "Recently two good friends died suddenly and within weeks of each other."
    I am sorry for your loss. I hope you will remember that God is most Compassionate, most Merciful.

    As a Muslim, I find it frustrating that Christians futiley try to explain the trinity---when will they get it into their heads that this cannot be explained to Muslims....? Christians can't even agree within themselves about all the convoluted doctrines......
    Thank you for your kind words.
    The trinity cannot be explained to anyone, it is a mystery but Christians accept it based on what they find in the NT. Because it cannot be explained does not mean it is not true and like almost everything in Islam and Christianity it is in the end down to a matter of faith and the evidence of that faith in your life and attitudes. I might add in passing that even in Islam there is not universal agreement over doctrine is there and I think it was your prophet who spoke about 73 sects and I guess they all claim to be pure Islam in some way.


    There are many converstions that Muslims and Christians can have together---trinity is simply not one of them.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: Trinity led me to Islam

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hugo View Post
    Christians accept that Jesus was divine, God incarnate and they do this because the evidence from His life, work, teaching, death and resurrection assure us of this. So this is not some analogy it is for us a fact. If you choose to ignore the evidence and go some other way that is a matter for you.

    Since you were unable to answer in the case of the bridge over hell then it is obvious it is an analogy. If it is real then getting into heaven is not a matter of Gods mercy but some kind of obstacle course: slippery, clamps, narrow, bent ends and so on and implies that even unbelievers can make it if they manage to avoid the obstacles although some will end up in Heaven with scratches so imperfect.
    I never asked you for the christian concept of Jesus as it is utterly nonsensical and completely inconsequential to me personally and to the discussion. Further, the question isn't whether I am able to answer it is whether I want to, frankly since your existence here you've done nothing but waste everyone's time and have displayed little to no interest in what anyone has to say-- I don't see why anyone should give you the time of day?!

    I see so the Islamic way of dealing with life's ups and downs is to seek a counsellor? Well that is also the Christian way for we are told the God is a mighty counsellor.
    I think you should see a counselor as it is evident from your writing here that you've multiple issues to workout. If God had been your counselor you'd not be *****ing about his divine will!
    I have NO desire to cast pearls before swine-- if you're happy with your faith, your mangod, your man made laws then display it by having peace in your ways and in your heart, not by being a seething troll who jumps at every opportunity to profess beliefs and opinions he clearly doesn't espouse!

    all the best
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    Re: Trinity led me to Islam

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hugo View Post
    Christians accept that Jesus was divine, God incarnate and they do this because the evidence from His life, work, teaching, death and resurrection assure us of this. So this is not some analogy it is for us a fact. If you choose to ignore the evidence and go some other way that is a matter for you.

    Since you were unable to answer in the case of the bridge over hell then it is obvious it is an analogy. If it is real then getting into heaven is not a matter of Gods mercy but some kind of obstacle course: slippery, clamps, narrow, bent ends and so on and implies that even unbelievers can make it if they manage to avoid the obstacles although some will end up in Heaven with scratches so imperfect.



    I see so the Islamic way of dealing with life's ups and downs is to seek a counsellor? Well that is also the Christian way for we are told the God is a mighty counsellor.
    its like that billie jean video.

    lol sorry to be flippant.
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    Re: Trinity led me to Islam

    I find it interesting how so many conversion stories such as the one in the OP make such a point of the purity and emphasis of Islam's monotheism as a strong part of what drew them. I wonder why it's such a common selling point. Perhaps there is a monotheistic instinct we're born with and love on some level to see confirmed?
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    Peace be to any prophets I may have mentioned above. Praised and exalted be my Maker, if I have mentioned Him. (Come to think of it praise Him anyway.)
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    Re: Trinity led me to Islam

    people turn to islam because it is the truth,
    we can only understand what we love when we have...for lack of a better word khadder or an understanding of the value of such a thing.

    when we have no money for a long period of time and then we have money we have probably learned the value of that money.
    when you are without love for a long time and then you find love by then you have probably learned the value of love.
    when you are without truth for so long when you finally have it you should probably know the value of such a thing.
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    Re: Trinity led me to Islam

    Hi Roger

    The Trinity never made any sense to me either. A Christian proselytiser recently approached me and I asked him to show me where in the Bible Jesus says we should worship him. The best he could do was to show me that the Maji went to worship Jesus, and the Maji surely weren't stupid.

    The idea that God would NEED to come to Earth as a human in order to understand us makes no sense to me, and the idea that God would come to Earth as a human to act as a human sacrifice (disgusting thought) in order to change laws that he himself created in the first place....again illogical.

    As far as I know the bible doesn't say that Jesus and God are one. This idea was from Peter wasn't it? Some guy who never met Jesus, during a long journey on a hot road sees Jesus and God who basically say "Oh, forgot to tell you guys, I am God". Just some single guy with extraordinary claims and not a single miracle to prove the origin of his message and no witnesses to corroborate that they saw God talking to him.
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