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    As-Salamu Alaykum.

    I'm a relatively new Muslim and I wanted to get some opinions.

    When I enter the prayer room at my university, there are sometimes sisters there (yes, we have only one prayer room). When I go in, I'm not sure whether to not to greet the sisters. Currently, I dont.. because at the moment I'm basically completely ignorant of appropriate ways to interact with sisters. lol. Sometimes, though, I feel as if I'm being way rude.. I don't know what to do. haha. Any advice?
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    Re: To greet or not to greet?

    Question:

    I am a university student, and sometimes I extend salam to the female students. So is it halal or haram for a male student to extend salam to his female colleagues at university?

    Response:

    Firstly, it Is not permissible to study with females in one place (together), nor in one school (together), and nor in one class (together), rather this is from amongst the greatest causes of fitnah. So it is not permissible for a male student nor a female student to (free) mix like this for that which exists therein of much fitnah.

    As regards extending the salam, then there is no harm for him to extend the salaam, as is outlined in the Sharee'ah, to her, so long as there is no display of any causes of fitnah. And (likewise), there is no harm for her to extend the salaam to him without shaking hands, because shaking hands between the two ajnabees is not permissible, rather the extending of salam should be from a distance with/in hijaab and keeping far away from (all) causes of fitnah, and without being alone (together).

    So the salam, as outlined in the Sharee'ah, in which there is no fitnah, there is no harm in (extending) this. As for extending the salam to her in such a manner as to cause fitnah or her extending salam to him in such a manner that arouses his desires and excites him in that which Allah has prohibited, then this is not allowed in the Sharee'ah (i.e. it is prohibited).
    And with Allah lies (all) success.

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    http://infad.usim.edu.my/modules.php...ticle&sid=3871
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    Re: To greet or not to greet?

    A Muslim should greet another Muslim with Salaam. If you wish to greet a sister, don't look at her directly or make eye contact, as men too have to lower their gaze. You may not hear the sisters replying to your salaam. There may be many reasons for this, and one possible reason is that you simply did not hear it as Muslim women should not raise their voices in the presence of men.
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    Re: To greet or not to greet?

    best avoid it, people might get the wrong idea...
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    Re: To greet or not to greet?

    Salaam,

    I agree with the member above, some might take it the wrong way.
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    Re: To greet or not to greet?

    How do you take asalamu calaikum the wrong way?
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    Re: To greet or not to greet?

    i was thinking the same....it is fine to greet ur sisters in islam just keep your intentions pure and dont like oogle or anything just salam and go back to doing you
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    Re: To greet or not to greet?

    I disagree, I actually think it's fine to greet a sister! I mean, I suppose you should lower your gaze and all that, but personally I feel it is very rude when guys don't say salaam to me, especially if they're already looking in my direction. I understand that they may want to prevent fitnah and all that, but I don't understand how it could "send the wrong message". I suppose since I live in America, I see so many things wrong in our society- but greeting girls is DEFINITELY not one of them.
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    Re: To greet or not to greet?

    Is it permissible for me to return the salaams of a woman who is a stranger to me, i.e., a non-mahram?.

    Praise be to Allaah.

    Firstly:

    Allaah has commanded us to spread the greeting of salaam, and has enjoined us to return the greeting to all Muslims. He has made the greeting of salaam one of the things that spread love among the believers.
    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
    " When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or (at least) return it equally. Certainly, Allaah is Ever a Careful Account Taker of all things "
    [al-Nisa'4:86]

    And it was narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "You will not enter Paradise until you (truly) believe, and you will not (truly) believe until you love one another. Shall I not tell you something which, if you do it, you will love one another? Spread the greeting of salaam amongst yourselves."


    Narrated by Muslim, 54.

    In the answer to question no. there is a lengthy discussion on the importance of greeting with salaam and returning the greeting.
    Secondly:
    The command to spread the greeting of salaam is general and applies to all the believers. It includes men greeting men and women greeting women, and a man greeting his female mahrams. All of them are enjoined to initiate the greeting of salaam, and the other is obliged to return the greeting.
    But there is a special ruling that applies to a man greeting a non-mahram woman, because of the fitnah (temptation) that may result from that in some cases.
    Thirdly:
    There is nothing wrong with a man greeting a non-mahram woman with salaam, without shaking hands with her, if she is elderly, but he should not greet a young woman with salaams when there is no guarantee that there will be no fitnah (temptation). This is what is indicated by the comments of the scholars, may Allaah have mercy on them.
    Imam Maalik was asked: Can a woman be greeted with salaam? He said: With regard to the elderly woman, I do not regard that as makrooh, but with regard to the young woman, I do not like that.
    Al-Zarqaani explained the reason why Maalik did not like that, in his commentary on al-Muwatta': Because of the fear of fitnah when he hears her returning the greeting.
    In al-Adaab al-Shar'iyyah (1/370) it says: Ibn Muflih mentioned that Ibn Mansoor said to Imam Ahmad: (What about) greeting women with salaam? He said: If the woman is old there is nothing wrong with it.
    Saalih (the son of Imam Ahmad) said: I asked my father about greeting women with salaam. He said: With regard to old women, there is nothing wrong with it, but with regard to young women, they should not be prompted to speak by being made to return the salaam.
    Al-Nawawi said in his book al-Adhkaar (p. 407):

    Our companions said: Women greeting women is like men greeting to men. But when it comes to women greeting men, if the woman is the man's wife, or his concubine, or one of his mahrams, then it is like him speaking to another man; it is mustahabb for either of them to initiate the greeting of salaam and the other is obliged to return the greeting. But if the woman is a stranger (non-mahram), if she is beautiful and there is the fear that he may be tempted by her, then the man should not greet her with salaam, and if he does then it is not permissible for her to reply; she should not initiate the greeting of salaam either, and if she does, she does not deserve a response. If he responds then this is makrooh.

    If she is an old woman and he will not be tempted by her, then it is permissible for her to greet the man with salaam and for the man to return her salaams.
    If there is a group of women then a man may greet them with salaam, or if there is a group of men, they may greet a woman with salaam, so long as there there is no fear that any of the parties may be tempted.

    Abu Dawood (5204) narrated that Asma' the daughter of Yazeed said: "The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) passed by us woman and greeted us with salaam." Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

    And al-Bukhaari (6248) narrated that Sahl ibn Sa'd said: "There was an old woman of our acquaintance who would send someone to Budaa'ah (a garden of date-palms in Madeenah). She would take the roots of silq (a kind of vegetable) and put them in a cooking pot with some powdered barley. After we had prayed Jumu'ah, we would go and greet her, then she should offer (that food) to us."
    Al-Haafiz said in al-Fath:

    Concerning the permissibility of men greeting women with salaam and women greeting men: what is meant by its being permitted is when there is no fear of fitnah.

    Al-Haleemi was quoted as saying: Because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was infallible and protected from fitnah. Whoever is confident that he will be safe from temptation may greet (women) with salaam, otherwise it is safer to keep silent.
    And al-Muhallab is quoted as saying: It is permissible for men to greet women with salaam and for women to greet men, if there is no fear of fitnah.
    And Allaah knows best.
    See Ahkaam al-'Awrah wa'l-Nazar by Musaa'id ibn Qaasim al-Faalih.
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    Re: To greet or not to greet?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Mila View Post
    As regards extending the salam, then there is no harm for him to extend the salaam, as is outlined in the Sharee'ah, to her, so long as there is no display of any causes of fitnah. And (likewise), there is no harm for her to extend the salaam to him without shaking hands, because shaking hands between the two ajnabees is not permissible, rather the extending of salam should be from a distance with/in hijaab and keeping far away from (all) causes of fitnah, and without being alone (together).
    yes i heard its aloowed but if u are fearing of fitna, then better not to greet salam to them. personally i dont like salam to any girl, to be on safe side.
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    Re: To greet or not to greet?

    My neighbours (male and female -they are all Arab and I am not) greet me with salaam all the time. My male neighbours never look at me when they pass by me and greet me while looking away. I feel very respected when they do this. Because: 1. They do not disrespect me by looking at me, eventhough I do not wear Niqaab and 2. They acknowledge my presence and that I'm a Muslim sister, though I am not of the same race. But I, as a woman do not greet a male for him to hear it. If I say salaam to a male or answer a salaam of a male I say it under my breath.

    Salaam is a universal greeting for all Muslim brothers and sisters. Whether or not it causes fitna depends on the intention and how the salaam is give. Of course if a brother goes upto a sister and smiles at her and says salaam alekium in a Casanova kind of way, he would be giving her the wrong message!
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