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    How I Became a Muslim (OP)


    Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa baraktuhu!

    My story is a pretty long one and I was posting it in parts in the Stories of Muslim Reverts thread. But I saw that it was holding up others from posting their stories and I didn't want to be in the way. So here's my reversion story....

    Part 1: Born to Atheist Parents

    “There’s no such thing as God!”

    That’s what I believed most of my childhood thanks to the teachings of my parents. They said, “We believe in science. Not God. Where is God? Why doesn’t He show Himself? If He exists why is there so much suffering in this world?” It was and still is a hot topic for discussion with them.

    I greatly admired and adored my parents. As a kid, I used to think they were such great thinkers and philosophers. It never occurred to me that they could be wrong. Of course they were right! Till the age of nine I had the opportunity to observe the rituals, customs and ways of life of people of belonging to different religions, but more in particular, the Hindus. I thought my mom was so clever when she pointed out that the Hindus fashioned idols out of their own hands and then worshipped them as gods. “Doesn’t this show you that it is man who has created God?” she would say.

    In India, superstitions are in plenty. There’s also much indulgence in astrology, palmistry, numerology and fortune-telling. There are numerous god-men or saints. My parents would have none of this nonsense. They did not believe in any of it. Talk about ghosts and they would laugh the matter off. There were no such things as ghosts. No such thing as spirits. No such thing as God. So I grew up thinking it wasn’t rational to believe in things that were not proven by science to be true.

    So my family members had great pride in their intellectual powers of thought and reason. There’s some proof of their intellectual capabilities in their achievements. My mom is a champion chess player and beaten many men in the game. She also won in many badminton tournaments. My grandmother was a respected headmistress of a school. My grandfather was the first lawyer in our town. And my great grandfather used to be a judge who would settle disputes in the community.

    Now what was I compared to them? I just looked up to them and followed their teachings. I remember arguing with my friends in school about the existence of God. I would demand them to produce their proof it they were right. Of course, none of them could prove it and some of the kids even acknowledged that I could be right in what I said. But still, they were afraid to give up their belief in God.

    Later on, I would reflect upon the sad state of affairs of my friends who believed in a god that didn’t exist. I felt sorry for them. But as I thought more and more about God, I couldn’t help thinking about death as well. Finally I thought to myself, “There was nothing going to happen after we died. And these people had invented God to make themselves feel better. It was comforting to think they would go to heaven after death.”

    So I thought I knew at the age of eleven the reason why people believed in God. It was because they wanted to go to heaven, the poor things.

    Till the age of thirteen, I continued engaging in arguments and debates regarding the non-existence of God with my classmates. Once I even said I could jump from the building to prove He didn’t exist! Sooooo confident was I!

    But now I had reached the age of puberty. And by this time, my powers of observation and reasoning had greatly developed at an accelerated pace.

    I was quick to learn that I had many limitations as a girl. I was extremely aware of my weaknesses. I had no desire to compete with men once I acquired this awareness. So I differed from my mom and sister immensely in this respect. As an adolescent, I preferred to wear clothes that fully covered me. The way I conducted myself differed greatly from the way of my sister who had no problem wearing shorts and mini skirts.

    As soon as I entered my teens, I had become aware of something called responsibility and the problem of choice. I tossed this issue in my mind, wondering what it meant. I began to ask questions. Why do we have to make choices? Why is there a right way and a wrong way?

    More importantly, I asked myself the question, “Why is it that I refuse to take the wrong way?”

    As I thought about it, the answer came to me quite easily. I refused to take the wrong way because I could see the end result of it. Subhanallah! Of all the gifts that God has given me, I appreciate most this awesome gift of foresight. I was given the ability to see the end of things and in this way, I was kept safe from many dangers. I always used to think about the consequences of all my actions.

    But the best part about all this was that it resulted in an awareness of something else. It was knowledge in my heart somewhere that told me that one day I would have to give an account for all my actions. This was how I became aware of that thing called accountability. In my mind’s eye, through my foresight, I was able to see ahead and know that I would one day be standing before God for every single thing that I said and did! It’s really strange but I had no doubt at all regarding this Day of Accountability.

    This was how belief in God took root in my heart. It was a very strong and powerful feeling and it came with a thorough conviction. If making choices and responsibility for one’s actions was real then accountability also had to be real. Accountability to who? Obviously, accountability to the One who gave me the problem of choice! To the One who made me responsible for my actions, to the One who created me! The Unseen God!

    There were of course lots of other questions in my mind. I wondered what was the purpose of life and why all human beings had to die. By this time it was clear to me that my parents were wrong about a lot of things. My opinion about them began to change when I realized they didn’t have answers to all questions. I quickly discovered that I would have to find out the answers on my own.

    The learning process that led me to Islam was gradual. I had close friends who were Muslims. It was from them that I first learned about Islam. And far from opposing their belief in one God, I readily accepted it to be true. That was really weird now that I think about it. No arguing, no debating, no discussing, no opposing. I just accepted it.

    Soon my parents found out that I believed in God. Their reaction was: “Get out of this house! There is no place in here for anyone who believes in God!”

    Yes, they were furious. They couldn’t understand how I suddenly had begun to believe in the existence of God. I knew how they felt about it, so I kept my belief to myself. Belief in God was enough for me at the time. I didn’t feel the necessity to become a Muslim even though I had learned some very good things about Islam from my Muslim friends. The first pages of a book I read called “Let us Be Muslims” completely turned me off. I didn’t fancy the idea of becoming a servant of God. “Isn’t what I want important?” I had thought to myself indignantly. “How could I give up my freedom and become a servant, doing only things that God wanted me to do?”

    So I lost interest in Islam and entertained the weird idea that it didn’t matter what religion you ascribed to as long as you were good. One had just to follow one’s conscience. What was the need for a religion?

    With such a mind set I continued my studies and eventually got a job in a college. I was paid good money and I worked for only about a year before I decided to quit. I wasn’t happy leading a single life. My parents did not believe in the institution of marriage and so I knew that they were not going to find an eligible groom for me. I would have to find one myself or else die an old maid.

    Now the big question that arose in my mind was, what kind of man should I choose? Surely he had to be a man who believed in one God like I did. I also thought to myself that he ought to be a man who feared God as well because only such a man would remain faithful to me. So I figured I wouldn’t mind marrying a Muslim, a Christian or a Baha’i.

    I remember going up to the terrace one night looking at the starry sky and saying to myself. “He’s out there somewhere. God knows where he is and what he is doing right now.”

    The man in question was out there alright. He lived thousands of miles away, on the other side of the globe, in America. And he was a Christian and a very devout, die-hard Christian.


    Part 2: The Light of Islam!

    How we met and got married was nothing short of a miracle. It deserves a separate story-telling session of its own which will no doubt amaze any listener. I won’t get into all the details. I suppose it’s enough to mention I spent some time talking to my would-be husband and I saw honesty and a real fear of God in his eyes. This was what I had been looking for and soon I found myself saying yes to his proposal of marriage.

    I had to wait a year and half before I got my visa to go to the US. During the wait, I sometimes went through periods of frustration and sadness that came over me due to the separation from my husband. I used to keep a copy of the Bible and go through recommended passages to comfort my heart. But I was not satisfied with just the Bible. I also went to an Islamic center to get a free copy of the Qur’an. The funny thing is that at the Islamic center there was a little shop that sold head scarves. I was very attracted to them not because I was thinking I would look pretty wearing them but because I understood their purpose: they provided safety to the woman. And I had always liked the idea of covering up. So I bought a printed black head scarf and brought it home and tried putting it on. Needless to say, my family members were annoyed and disgusted to see me parading around in the house, wearing the scarf around my head. I put it away so as not to arouse their displeasure and cause friction within the household. I didn’t insist on wearing it again.

    Waiting for my visa turned out to be a good thing for me. I got the opportunity to read the Bible and the Qur’an quite regularly. I found many similarities between both the books. Both spoke about one God and contained within their pages great jewels of wisdom that I found utter delight in.

    So when I went to America to join my husband, I had in my suitcase both the Bible and the Qur’an. However, during the first few months of my stay in America, I wasn’t too keen to read the Qur’an for I had to show my loyalty and support to my deeply religious Christian husband. He was a member of a Judeo-Christian denomination called the Worldwide Church of God. He read the Bible so much and so frequently that the pages were frayed and worn out. He took his Bible with him everywhere! He used to observe the Sabbath and attended the Seventh Day Adventist Church. I went to church with him several times. I met many nice people at church. I even made some very good friends. I was particularly attached to an elderly couple. I was pretty happy with the way things were going....... until I went to California to visit my in-laws.

    That visit to California was the turning point in my life. There I got an opportunity to see Christianity from real close quarters. Until then I really didn’t know much about Christianity. All I knew was they worshipped one God, that they believed Jesus was the son of God and that there were two groups among them (according to what I had read in history books): The Roman Catholics and The Protestants. I personally didn’t believe Jesus was son of God. If Christians believed it, so what? I didn’t care what they believed as long as they believed in one God. I had the similar attitude towards the Hindus. I personally detested the worship of idols and never believed in them. But if the Hindus wanted to worship them, so what? At least they believed in the existence of God and they believed in the principle of karma.

    I was a believer in the existence of God and my attitude was all people who believed in God were believers, whether they were Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs or Jews. I kept peace with all religions in this way. But all that changed dramatically when I went to California.

    So what happened there you ask? Well, it was when I was travelling in the metro train, on my way to Los Angeles, that some men entered the train and passed slips of paper to the passengers. I looked at the piece of paper in my hand and read it with utter disbelief. This was what it said:

    WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED?
    The answer to this question is, absolutely nothing!
    The only requirement is to believe what God has said in His word, and He says, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved”.
    Only believe? Yes, that’s all! Believe means to trust completely in what God has said concerning salvation.
    What do we have to believe?
    That Christ died for our sins, and that He was buried, and
    that He rose again the third day.
    Christ died to give us eternal life. If you desire to have eternal life make the following prayer:
    Heavenly Father, I know that I am a sinner and that I have a need to be forgiven. I now receive Christ Jesus as my Lord and Savior.
    Thank You for having forgiven my sins. In Jesus name. Amen.
    John 1:12 But as many as received Him, (Jesus) to them gave He (God) power (authority) to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name.


    Do absolutely nothing to obtain salvation?!! Jesus died for our sins?!

    I wonder if you could understand the state of my heart at the time of reading that slip of paper. It was like I was in the middle of a violent whirlwind. I felt as though my world was struck by thunder and lightning. To be sure, a great tempest had risen in my heart. I felt the fire of hatred and loathing swell up inside of me. My mind was burning with anger, denial and extreme disgust. My heart was screaming out loud that the content of that slip of paper simply could not be true! It was so evidently false that I was surprised that anyone actually believed in it!

    My mind was in a state of great turmoil and shock. How could anyone believe that Jesus Christ died for his sins? How could anyone accept such an idea?!

    This little piece of paper prompted me to embark on a speedy journey of investigation regarding Christianity. I took hold of the Bible and tried to find within its pages any proof that supported the claim that Jesus had died for our sins. The Bible was silent on this matter. Jesus had never said anything to even hint that he had come to die for our sins! That meant only one thing. That this entire story of Jesus dying for our sins had been made up!

    There was no stopping me now. I found out that there weren’t just two groups within Christianity. There were hundreds of them! Why, I wondered, were there so many denominations when the book they read and believed in was one?! Each denomination believed in strange things. The most preposterous was the idea that Jesus was God. There was also the concept of trinity that didn’t make any sense to me whatsoever.

    I was amazed that people could believe such things about Jesus and God, especially when there was nothing in the Bible to support such beliefs. Jesus never claimed to be God, had never claimed that he would die for our sins and he had never mentioned anything called the trinity.

    All those claims made no sense to me and I wasn’t one to accept things that made no sense.

    First, the saying that Jesus was God. And the second, that he had died for our sins!

    There was a clear cut argument in my mind that told me flat out what lies they all were!

    The argument went as follows: God wouldn’t be God if He died. All men are destined to die. Therefore no man can be God, even if he were to claim he was one.

    So if Jesus died for our sins, it’s the same as saying God died for our sins. How does that sound? Does it make even one iota of sense?! If God really did die, and He is one God, mind you, then how did this world continue to operate? After death, where did God go?

    There was no way that I was going to accept such nonsensical beliefs regarding God. Then I began to wonder, did my husband too entertain such beliefs? Did the friends that I had made in the Seventh Day Adventist Church too believe this crap?

    I went ahead and asked them if it was true they believed that Jesus was God and that he had died for their sins. It wasn’t something they openly declared, but they admitted that this was indeed what they believed. This was the e-mail they had sent me in response to my questions:

    “No evil or sin can stand before a Perfect God. Even what to us is just the tiniest of wrong is totally intolerable to His perfection. All it takes is one sinful act. Look at Adam and Eve. They committed only one act, and a very small one at that, but that act allowed sin to enter this world. They knew that the consequences of that one act was death, but God made a promise to them that there was a way they could be redeemed from those consequences. It is that promise that the prophets wrote about. It is that promise and its fulfilment that is the underlining theme throughout the rest of the Bible. The message is that not only were the Jewish leaders who crucified Christ evil, but so were David, Lot and the others. That also includes you and me. Even the smallest evil makes us deserving of death. Just as there was nothing Adam and Eve could to do undo what they had done, there is nothing we can do to undo the evil we have done. But the same promise God made to Adam and Eve He makes to us. He only asks us to accept that promise.”

    How could anyone believe in such a theory!? But that is precisely what my good Christian “friends” believed. According to them, all evil, all sin is the same in the eyes of God. So the penalty for a man who steals a loaf of bread is the same as the penalty for a man who goes out and murders ten people! What kind of justice is that?! I’m thankful the law and order system in America does not treat all crime with the death penalty! Is justice here on earth better than God’s justice?

    And what utter rubbish to even think that we are all deserving of death for the small sins that we commit and that we can be saved simply by believing that God died for our sins!!

    Whether we believe or we don’t believe, it still doesn’t save us from death, does it?!

    If we commit a sin, it is not because of Adam and Eve! We commit a sin when we choose to do wrong or evil of our own free will. We alone are responsible for our actions. For the mistake I make, nobody else can be held accountable. That would simply not be justice! Therefore, even if somebody were to come up to me and say he or she was willing to take the burden of my sin, I would not agree to it! Since it is I who committed the sin, it is I alone who must face the consequences of that act! It just does not make sense that we should consciously make mistakes and commit sins and all kinds of crimes and put the whole burden on somebody who is totally innocent. There is no law and order system in this world where Tom commits a murder and instead of Tom, Dick is hanged for it!! If such a thing were to be done, this whole world would be upside down!

    My heart was screaming in anger that I would never ever accept such an outrageous belief that someone died for my sins. If this was what Christianity taught, I wanted to have absolutely no part in it! I would reject it outright.

    I was then quick to reach for the Qur’an to find out what it had to say about Jesus. What I read satisfied me. According to the Qur’an, Jesus was a servant and messenger of God. Not son of God or God.

    I didn’t have to read much to realize that the Qur’an confirmed everything I used to believe as true within my heart. It confirmed my belief that God was One, that He was the Creator possessing all power and might and that He was the One before whom I would stand one day to give a full account of my actions. I saw the entire Qur’an as nothing but a book that helped me prepare for the Day of Accountability, the fearsome Day which I had never for a moment doubted. Everything in the Qur’an made perfect sense! There was not a single thing in the Qur’an that brought low or defiled the concept of the One true God. Everything in it exalted the nature of God, giving a clear cut, undeniable explication of what He truly is like, the One to whom belong the most beautiful names, the One who was Perfect, free from impurities, the One who made no mistakes!

    The light of faith had now entered my heart, dispelling all darkness and I could now clearly see where I stood. I saw that I could no longer accept the Christian way of life. I could no longer accept anything but Islam, the religion of the Qur’an.

    ….................to be continued.
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    Re: How I Became a Muslim

    format_quote Originally Posted by Just a Guy View Post
    Well, there it is. The promo for your cheesy romantic comedy. You should make a trailer now.
    Even though you may not mean anything bad by what you say, take into consideration this is a sisters conversion story, something which changed her life for the better and is something she won't forget, calling it a 'cheesy romantic comedy' might offend her. Just think about it.
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    Sister Ghazalah, you're really my pal you know. You got a cute little tiger looking at me there. Shoo shweet.

    A fancy red car replaced by a beautiful tiger.

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    Sorry to interrupt you for a brief news bulletin. The notorious Sister Flame has lost her brains. Frantic attempts are being made right now to recover those Elusive Noodles. Rumor has it that they are highly unpredictable and moody. We'll be back with the next installment of the TV series as soon as Flame is able to pin them down in one place. Thank you for your patience.

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    Even though you may not mean anything bad by what you say, take into consideration this is a sisters conversion story, something which changed her life for the better and is something she won't forget, calling it a 'cheesy romantic comedy' might offend her. Just think about it.
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    Well I hope Flame knows me better than that by now, but if I offended anyone, then I apologize.
    Awww! Come on! Wipe those silly tears away from your face.

    You can't offend me. I'm un-offendable.

    I've told you before and I'll tell you again... I don't like to hear the word "sorry" or the words..... "I apologize" from my pals and friends.

    Apologizing is exclusively my privilege. Only I get to say those words.

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    Wow, mashaallah! Allahu Akbar!
    Indeed, Allah is the best of planners.
    Such a touching story, can't believe I read all the pages of the thread.
    You have written it so beautifully, so detailed, so described.
    You are a very good writer, mashaallah. You should be awarded with the 'Writer's Award.'

    I hereby, certify that Flame has what it takes to be a writer...... and not to mention a questioner too...

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    Well I hope Flame knows me better than that by now, but if I offended anyone, then I apologize.
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    That's not offending, and Ms Flame has a big mind and its okay to show your cool side sometimes
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    Sorry for keeping you waiting, respected brothers and sisters............

    Blame it on Memorial Day. It was a holiday for my kids... but not a holiday for me. lol. Couldn't find time to get away and write.

    But I've got something going....

    I've written the story in more detail.......

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    Re: How I Became a Muslim

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    Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa baraktuhu!
    My story is a pretty long one and I was posting it in parts in the Stories of Muslim Reverts thread. But I saw that it was holding up others from posting their stories and I didn't want to be in the way. So here's my reversion story....
    Thanks for the opportunity to ask some questions - this is my second question about your testimony (I hope you will be able to find time to answer my first question in post 80). In your testimony you said that a critical moment was when you sought to find where in the Bible Jesus actually said he had come to die for our sins. I found this most intriguing as everyone of my generation in the West knows that Jesus did this whether they are Christian or not. Anyhow, I thought I must check this out as you say you did and I found there are a large number of Islamic web sites that say it so I wondered did someone prompt you in that direction or did you think it out for yourself.

    My next search was of the Bible itself and in a way you are right about what Jesus said IF we confine ourselves to the exact words you used. But objectively, it does seem to me that you have to consider other ways of saying the same thing if one is not to be mislead. I would not call myself in any way a Biblical expert but I found several bits which are the actual words of Jesus that do seem to me to make it plain why he had come. To keep the post short I just quote one of them - Matthew 26:28 "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
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    Re: How I Became a Muslim

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    Thanks for the opportunity to ask some questions - I have two but for now I will just ask the first one. You said:

    The argument went as follows: God wouldn’t be God if He died. All men are destined to die. Therefore no man can be God, even if he were to claim he was one.


    Now on the surface it looks like cast iron logic but if one digs in a bit, and this is my question, what for you does it mean to be a 'person'. Sure all men die as far as we know but does that mean they cease to exist at all anywhere, forever from that moment on?

    (By the way, philosophically, the statement "all me are destined to die' is unprovable, sure it has not happened yet but who knows?)
    Sorry for taking so long to answer your questions.

    All men die. Not just all men, all things die. That's the plain observable truth. Nobody can dispute this fact and there is really no need to dig further.

    Why would you want to dig further anyway?

    As for what happens after men die, that's knowledge that belongs to God. And this knowledge has been communicated to mankind through His messengers.
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    Re: How I Became a Muslim

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    In your testimony you said that a critical moment was when you sought to find where in the Bible Jesus actually said he had come to die for our sins. I found this most intriguing as everyone of my generation in the West knows that Jesus did this whether they are Christian or not. Anyhow, I thought I must check this out as you say you did and I found there are a large number of Islamic web sites that say it so I wondered did someone prompt you in that direction or did you think it out for yourself.

    My next search was of the Bible itself and in a way you are right about what Jesus said IF we confine ourselves to the exact words you used. But objectively, it does seem to me that you have to consider other ways of saying the same thing if one is not to be mislead. I would not call myself in any way a Biblical expert but I found several bits which are the actual words of Jesus that do seem to me to make it plain why he had come. To keep the post short I just quote one of them - Matthew 26:28 "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
    Everyone of your generation in the West knows that Jesus died for their sins whether they are Christian or not....?

    Dear brother in humanity, what do you base this opinion on? What is the evidence to suggest that everyone in the West believes such a thing?

    When I first read about the idea that Jesus died for the sins of mankind I did not need to check out Islamic sites or do research to know that it was pure falsehood. Actually, it happened to be the turning point of my life...... coming to know that Christians actually believed that Jesus was God and that he had come to die for our sins. So to answer your question..... no. Nobody prompted me or guided me away from Christianity. I thought it out myself.

    As for that verse you quoted: "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." .... if that verse means that Jesus died for our sins, then it's a conclusion that I would have to reject. I'm not going to accept the idea just because it's in the Bible.

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    Re: How I Became a Muslim

    format_quote Originally Posted by Riham View Post
    Sorry for taking so long to answer your questions. All men die. Not just all men, all things die. That's the plain observable truth. Nobody can dispute this fact and there is really no need to dig further. Why would you want to dig further anyway?

    As for what happens after men die, that's knowledge that belongs to God. And this knowledge has been communicated to mankind through His messengers.
    Fascinating answer. Firstly, I would want to 'dig' since I want to have some kind of confidence in the hear after, know where I am going so to speak. I tend to agree that we cannot be sure but just one final point, are you saying that in Islam no one can know their ultimate fate when they die?
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    Re: How I Became a Muslim

    format_quote Originally Posted by Riham View Post
    Everyone of your generation in the West knows that Jesus died for their sins whether they are Christian or not....? Dear brother in humanity, what do you base this opinion on? What is the evidence to suggest that everyone in the West believes such a thing?
    Let me be clear, I said 'of my generation', notice I was careful not to say everyone believed it only knows about it since it was taught in church and school to all.

    When I first read about the idea that Jesus died for the sins of mankind I did not need to check out Islamic sites or do research to know that it was pure falsehood. Actually, it happened to be the turning point of my life...... coming to know that Christians actually believed that Jesus was God and that he had come to die for our sins. So to answer your question..... no. Nobody prompted me or guided me away from Christianity. I thought it out myself. As for that verse you quoted: "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." .... if that verse means that Jesus died for our sins, then it's a conclusion that I would have to reject. I'm not going to accept the idea just because it's in the Bible.
    This is interesting and of course you are quite entitled to believe or not as you conscience and mind dictate just as I do. But what puzzles me is that you in that case referred to the Bible at all, why did it matter? Secondly, presumably, if its in the Qu'ran (and I am given to understand that lots of what is in the Bible is in the Qu'ran) you would accept it - so where is the difference for you?

    Truth is clear from falsehood. But it's clear to only those who use their power of reason and do not lean towards their emotions.
    Well I cannot agree that this is always the case or that truth is easily disentangled from falsehood. Also I cannot accept that reason and emotions can be separated so easily. I don't know your background but it is a fact that the brain put simply has a rational part and and emotional part and therefore any thought gets filtered through both (unless the brain is damaged). Key to this is the amygdalae in the medial temporal lobes with a primary role in processing memory and emotional reactions. In practice this means that emotions are essential to making judgements no matter what logic you employ. For example, I well remember the story of the killing of the first born in Egypt to free the Israelites and I can rationalise that as just punishment because the Egyptians did the same to the Israelite children but my emotions tell me otherwise and I think I would hardly be human if I felt otherwise.
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    Re: How I Became a Muslim

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    I tend to agree that we cannot be sure but just one final point, are you saying that in Islam no one can know their ultimate fate when they die?
    Yes, no one can be sure what will happen to him when they die. Muslims live between fear and hope.... and even the Prophet (saws) said that he had no idea what would become of him on the Day of Judgment.
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    Re: How I Became a Muslim

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    But what puzzles me is that you in that case referred to the Bible at all, why did it matter? Secondly, presumably, if its in the Qu'ran (and I am given to understand that lots of what is in the Bible is in the Qu'ran) you would accept it - so where is the difference for you?
    Ah, respected brother in humanity, I read the Bible because there are many sparkling gems to be found therein. Those gems are universal principles of truth that apply at all times, at all places and to all human beings.

    Here are a few passages that I really like:

    1. “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to destruction is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only few ever find it.” Matthew 6:13-14

    The universal truth expressed in this verse: The way to Paradise is the way of toil and hardship, the way to Hell is easy, alluring and pleasing.

    2. “No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." Matthew 6:24

    The universal truth expressed in this verse is: You can have only one Master. There is no Master besides the One True God.

    3. “Do to others as you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the Law and the prophets.” Matthew 6: 12

    The universal truth in this verse: Law of cause and effect..... do good and you will get good. Do evil and you will receive evil. You reap what you sow.

    4. “If your brother sins, rebuke him; then if there is repentance, forgive. Even if that person wrongs you seven times a day and each time turns again and asks for forgiveness, you must forgive.” Luke 17:3-4

    The universal truth in this verse: Pardon men so that you may receive pardon from The Almighty. Forgive so that you may be forgiven. Show mercy and you will be shown mercy.

    5. “Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a despised tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer: 'I thank you, God, that I am not a sinner like everyone else. For I don’t cheat, I don’t sin and I give you a tenth of my income.’ But the tax collector stood at distance and prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow saying, ‘O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.’ I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled and those who humble themselves will be exalted.” Luke 18:10-14

    Universal truth in this verse: Pride is the cause of destruction, humility and repentance is the cause of salvation.

    So brother in humanity, I read all sorts of books, including the Bible. I don't refuse to consider what any book has to say. I look for what is true. If it makes sense and it is an observable universal principle of truth, I have absolutely no problem accepting it. I certainly do accept all the above sayings found in the Bible. Such sayings are a delight to read. They are evident truths and observable phenomena.

    But when I come across anything that pertains to the Unseen World, about which only God has knowledge, I cannot be sure of its truthfulness. That knowledge is conveyed only to the messengers of God..... special people of exemplary character chosen by God..... such as Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon them all.

    So if I were to read any book and it speaks of evident universal principles, I will readily acknowledge and accept those jewels of truth. But if a book speaks of things that don't make sense, I will reject those things. I'm not going to accept them just because the book I am reading is the Bible.

    I take what is true. Reject what is false. To do this..... use of one's reason is indispensable.

    The truth is clear...... always has been. We just need to lay aside our emotions and feelings...... because they have a tendency to make us...... BIASED.
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    Re: How I Became a Muslim

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    Yes, no one can be sure what will happen to him when they die. Muslims live between fear and hope.... and even the Prophet (saws) said that he had no idea what would become of him on the Day of Judgment.
    I agree with you, but I stand on the promise that Allah (swt) made in the Quran of forgiveness and Paradise for those who believe and do good deeds. I pray to die not but as a Muslim - one who submits his will to that of Allah's (swt).
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    Re: How I Became a Muslim

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    I would not call myself in any way a Biblical expert but I found several bits which are the actual words of Jesus that do seem to me to make it plain why he had come. To keep the post short I just quote one of them - Matthew 26:28 "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
    I'm a little surprised at your interest in my story, Impey. I didn't think non-Muslims would be interested in reading it.... nor care to ask questions the way you have. It seems to me you are yourself struggling to know the truth.... or have doubts in your mind and something you read in my story made sense to you. Anyway, I'm happy that you have come here to this forum in search for answers.

    In my last post, I mentioned universal principles of truth that can be found in the Bible. These gems of truth can be found anywhere.... in any book or any religion. It doesn't matter who utters them. They are eternal in nature and self-evident.

    But when we come across a teaching that cannot be classified as universal truth.... such as this line here,

    "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

    ..... it would matter a lot who utters it. In this case, Jesus (peace be upon him) is supposed to have said it. But this was recorded by someone called Matthew.... about whom we know very little. Since I cannot be sure of Matthew's truthfulness, I cannot believe in these words. I would have doubts. But if it was Prophet Muhammad (saws) saying it, I would have immediately accepted it.

    Here's another statement found in the Bible that cannot be classified as self-evident, universal truth:

    "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).

    This statement is from someone called John. Who is John? What do we know about him? If we could verify his truthfulness and be convinced of his God-fearing character, then we should have no problem accepting the above information. But since we do not know anything much about John, we cannot be sure. I'd be justified to have my doubts...... and to reject such a teaching on the grounds that it contradicts what the Bible teaches about God in The Old Testament...... that God is ONE.

    And by the way, I believe in the concept that God is ONE not because the Bible says so, but because it's the self-evident, universal truth.... clearly observable in the perfect order and magnificence of this universe.

    Therefore, if I come across anything that contradicts a self-evident universal truth..... I will promptly reject it.

    Now you know the reason in detail as to why I rejected the idea that Jesus died for our sins. Or the idea that he was God. Or son of God.
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