The Confused Revert

Joking? I thought you was serious... maybe you are not so serious about your islam after all, eh?

Your question is ignored due to me not wanting to engage in a circular debate. You have your answers, what you do with them is up to you. Just don't make your islam difficult for yourself. Don't be like bani israel.

God bless,

Scimi

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format_quote Originally Posted by Challenged

I might light of a situation where I would normally over-react, criticize and earn myself sin for berating someone who was wielding knowledge without considering the fact that the person asking the question was being genuine. And yet - again - you are making assumptions.

This has all come about because of a sideways comment that you have made with attempt to be gentle with the knowledge that you wield.

I call it testing the water before I commit my time. what do you call it? wisdom?

format_quote Originally Posted by Challenged

I'm not naive to the story of Islam and Allah subhano wa Ta'ala - in fact it is the reason I reverted / converted. Not that I require justifying myself to anybody, but to put you back in your box, perhaps its necessary. I always submitted myself to the fact that there was only ever a higher power in control of everything.

Now i'm trying to figure out how to do it properly because bano Adam has a penchant for be MISLEAD.

MashaAllah, one piece of advice - humour on forums is usually a fail, unless we are familiar with the poster and his/her writing style. In time, we may be able to have some fun excahnges, but for now - I would rather concentrate on the meat of the problem.

As for claiming I have knowledge - I actually have a burden which I find hard to lift. Knowledge has to be acted upon, and failure to act is likened to a donkey who cannot shed its masters goods. So call me a donkey if you like - I will take it graciously. I know my place.

format_quote Originally Posted by Challenged

The stupid question is the one never asked.

Bani Israel was being indignant. They were asking the question just for the sake of asking a question because they rejected the premise that Musa (as) said he came for.

We are no longer Bani Adam, we are now Bani Nuh Alaihis salaam. All descended from his progeny, Shem Ham and yafith alaihis salaam.

Bani Israel had defective elements within their ranks, just because they were descended from Israel (Yakub Alaihis salaam) doesn't give them automatic entry to heaven - instead it gives them a resonsibility to adhere to the commandments of God, especially when they had a murderer in their midst - it was in their interests to find out who that murderer was, but they delayed it due to their inability to reason that wen God commands - we obey, not question further.

His wisdom is otherworldly, ours is only limited to the ways of this world.

God bless,

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by Timi Scar

I find people usually make islam difficult for themselves - I call it bani Israel syndrome, I'm reminded of the story of the red heifer.

Scimi

Forgive me if I said anything that was taken negatively.

allah yusa'asmah dunya wa akhira akhi Scimi

NOthing to forgive, i'm not offended easily, Muslims have a thicker skin than most, we shrug off the harsh tone because we know good advice when we see it.

I hope you too see it.

Scimi

EDIT if yo have anymore question, feel free to post them here.

Scimi

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I've offered you an helping hand - which you do not want to hold. This is fine.

To you be your way, I pray Allah guides you aright.

To me be mine, make dua for me also.

Assalaam alaikum

Scimi

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The process of elimination is beautiful, but its such a shame that most people do not see that beauty, as they expect results straight away. And so, they get put off and see it as some impossible mountain they cannot climb.

One step at a time, with breaks inbetween to recoup our energy, is all it takes,

And we take one step towards HIM, HE comes running towards us Mountains fall before us, as we witness the Glory of Allah.

Allahu Akbar

God bless,

Scimi

Scimi - you're post on the Banu Nuh (as) has my brain positively clunking away

Talk about 'forest for the trees'/'bani Israel' sydnrome... astaghfirullah al-atheem.

format_quote Originally Posted by Challenged

wait - hang on a minute...

Nuh (as) came from the same line, from Adam (as) yes?

If yes = we are still bani Adam...

If no = I'm confused again. LOL

When Nuh Alaihis salaam was tasked with building the ark, he was told by Allah that the world will be destroyed and reborn anew, and his progeny (Nuhs sons) will be the progenitors of the human race from that point.

All of us, every single human on this planet attributes his lineage ultimately to either Ham, Shem or Yafith.

Let's not forget, there are three main blood groups attesting to this fact - A - B and O with a fourth type which manifested much later and is amix of both A and O

So here we have scientific data which shows us that even the blood groups identify us as such.

After the flood, the only humans on this planet were Nuh, his three sons ans their wives. May Allah be well pleased with them, ameen. We descend from them.

Scimi

Allahu Akbar.

nice one

Bro Challenged, I have so many "mind blows"... get whatsapp dear brother.

I share a lot of them there... with those i trust.

You will not be disappointed, I promise.

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by Challenged

Bismillah ihr Rahman ihr Raheem.

Subhanallahi wa bi hamdi, subhanallah al-atheem. Only in Islam, by the Will of our Almighty Creator, will we ever truly succeed.

Thank you, ya Rabbil 'alamin, for teaching me.

lol I think i'm stressed out by what I understand to be Allah subhano wa Ta'ala and His particularly Just Punishments. I simply have to try harder to get it right insha'allah. I don't want to go to Hell-fire, or its valleys or anywhere other than Jannah insha'allah but if we relax from trying to get it right, what more can we expect than True Justice??? Even some of those who have memorised the Qur'an will be thrown into hell-fire... because it wasn't done fi sa bilillah...

The differentiation is what I can't reconcile given that we are all told to do the same thing... I recently found, via islamqa.org, that some ullemah reject the notion of 20 rakaat. That or they offered an opinion that rendered confusion in my mind. The next quote should be the solution, insha'allah.

This little chestnut of information feels like the key to unlocking the answer to why I'm so stressed over "right vs. wrong" and variations within the sunnah, and distancing myself from having an opinion on the confusing practices that I see in the world around me, amongst the muslimeen. Simply for what I learnt from the immediately above quote bubble - Jazakallahu jannat al-firdaus, amin

Jazakallahu khair - Thank you for you sharing this. All the other Muslims that I've met seem to have it all worked out. Finding the answers to one's problems in the learning experiences of others is, I think, fundamentally key to assisting convert / revert / new muslims. Perhaps this is something that could be looked at, in greater detail, by those of knowledge who engage specifically in the field of New Muslim development???

Jazakallahu khair for this - I think one of the stresses / confusions that I faced is understanding why the timing between "Allahu akbar" and sujood varied so greatly individual prayer vs. congregational prayer. You're above suggestion to follow until a better understanding is developed seems like the most sensibile path forward given that Allah subhano wa Ta'ala already knows my intentions.



Inshallah, all of this advice is surely not meant only for me. I'm grateful to Allah subhano wa Ta'ala that I was able to ask these questions, and receive answers, with a certain amount of anonymity. I hope that, insha'allah, I wasn't the only one to benefit from these answers or from what was shared in this, and will be insha'allah, shared in this thread.

For me personally, insha'allah, I have been given the blessing of, a certain sense of peace of mind - that I at least have a better idea of a morally sensible and ethically sound direction in which to head whilst considering the responsibility that is on each of us to adhere to the instruction of our Creator.


May Allah subhano wa Ta'ala have Mercy on, and grant Jannah to, the Ummah - Amin ya Rabbil alamin.

Alhamdulillah wallahu alem.

Salaamu alikum
akhi Muslim

Ameen, Ameen Ameen. May the same be for you also ameen

The difference of the pace varies on what exactly the Imam is reciting and how slow or fast they are reciting.

When your at home you do it at your own pace to how you feel comfortable and would only do the surahs/verses you know, other people may know longer surahs and choose to recite those, making a longer prayer... its honestly just down to who your praying behind.

Here is an example for how a 1rakah is/can done and in brackets il put how it can differ.

"Allahu Akbar" hands to ears for men, hands to shoulders for women

Reciting of surah Fatihah (men hands could be above the stomach or just below near the abdomen i believe)

Reciting of ayahtul kursi (here you could continue on from ayahtul kursi, of how much you know or use any verse or surah depending on how long or short you want your prayer to be)

"Allahu Akbar"
Go into ruku "subhanah rabiyal atheem x3" (could be said fast or slower or even make dua here)

"Samyallahu liyman hamida" (some raise hands others dont and just put them at their sides)

Rabana wa lakal hamd (hands lower to sides as you are saying it, some immediately lower hands and then say it some hands are already by their sides)

"Allahu Akbar" (some raise hands others dont)
Go into sujood "subhanah rabiyal A'ala x3 " (some slower some faster)
"Allahu Akbar"

U sit up from sujood (some just sit for a few moments, some say "rabb bigfirr lee x3" = oh my lord forgive me or "Allahumma aghfir li wa’rhamni wa’jburni wa’hdini wa’rzuqni" = O Allah, forgive me, have mercy on me, console me, guide me and grant me provision, some make their own duas)
"Allahu akbar"
This is one rakah done

(If this is is a 2nd rakah, this would all be repeated, and once the 2nd sujood has been done you sit up and say the tashahood, then get up to do the 3rd rakah... if this is a fajr prayer then after tashahud, durood would be said then the salam ending the prayer..
If this is magrib all steps repeated above except on the 3rd rakah you only recite surah fatihah then go into ruku, once the 2nd sujood is done you do tashahud, durood then salam.
If this is Duhr, Asr or Isha all steps repeated as above, on the 2nd rakah after 2nd sujood, tashahud, then stand up, for the 3rd and 4th rakah you only recite fatihah, on the 4th after 2nd sujood, tashahud then durood then salams)

https://islamqa.info/en/176496 《 this is for the evidences of the duas between both of the sujoods, it can also be found on many websites simple google search will help in sha Allah.


Ofcourse being a revert, you just literally jump right in and want to know everything and do everything to perfection, i was the same Alhamdulillah, but dont get soooo into it that you start doubting your actions as to whether theyre accepted and thinking that your not doing enough, go at your own pace but get your salah right as this is very important...
your new and all us reverts are bound to make mistakes here and there (i sure did) but Allah will forgive you, as long as your intentions are there then there is nothing to worry about.
Just make sure you meet the fard aspects of your prayer, follow the imam when your in congregation so everytime you hear an "Allahu akbar" it is time to change a postition, as you pray more even by yourself, you begin to pick up the pace knowing what to do and when will be like 2nd nature, so praying behind anybody you would know what to do and where you are and not be confused.
Believe me some people do get it wrong and sometimes getting up from sujood to stand up when you have to stay sitting lol realising then dropping back down (happend to me a few times and loads of other people lol but you learn as you go, you may loose count of what raka your on, but it happens, we all make mistakes, if your lost just quickly look and see what other people are doing, then it should click in your head where you are, as long as you quickly correct your mistake it will be fine in sha Allah)


Alhamdulillah there is such vast knowledge to be gained from Islam, there is never a time where we are not learning something new about our deen, its like trying to count how many drops of water are in the oceans lol

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format_quote Originally Posted by Challenged

BANG! There it is - I knew there was a reason I hadn't found it yet but only now do I know why - I was always meant make this dua; For what this piece of information does for me in perfecting my salaah, and those like me who were unsure or veiled from the answer also; May Allah subhano wa Ta'ala grant you and your entire family Jannat al-firdaus and Palaces next the Lote Tree beyond which none can pass. May He grant you company with Habibullah SAWS and an Audience with Allah subhano wa Ta'ala HIMSELF. May HE make you all from those who never greive, who constantly repent, who hold firmly to the deen, and who witness the shahadah of all your friends and family insha'allah. Amin ya Rabbil alamin.

Ameen Ameen, may the same be for you also.Ameen..May the same be for all our beloved brothers and sisters ameen.
(JazakAllah khairn for the beautiful dua)

Alhamdulillah its no problem brother
In sha Allah we can all benifit from this and remind those who may have forgotten or not known.

Just remember

Fajr 2 rakah
Duhr 4 rakah
Asr 4 rakah
Magrib 3 rakah
Isha 4 rakah

After every 2 rakah the tashahood is said if its the fajr salah then after the tashahood you would say durood and salam.

After the 4th rakah you would say tashahud then durood and lastly salams

Magrib on the 2nd rakah tashahud and on the 3rd rakah tashahud then durood and finally salams

(Sujood then sit up
Dua - rabb bigfirr lee x3
Sujood then either stay sitting or standing to pray next rakah or say tashahud
(Either standing or sitting is determined by which prayer your doing and what rakah it is.)

In sha Allah you can understand it, its hard to learn just by reading it
But sometimes its easier if you mimic the actions and what you have to say without actually praying to see where your going wrong and correct it before actuall prayer (thats how i learnt)

So while just sitting down go through the actions and what you say

In sha Allah by no time you will be praying like its 2nd nature to you and will know what to do without thinking about it.

May Allah strengthen your emaan, and keep you guided upon islam, May Allah put your heart at ease and grant you knowledge and wisdom that will benifit you and other Muslims, granting you and your loved ones jannahtul firidous.. Ameen

Here is a quick link of what to say in the tashahood and then the durood


https://islamqa.info/en/26889 (the question is based on a 2 rakah prayer such as fajr or 2nafl rakah not the 2 rakah of another prayer