I am a recent convert. I went to mosuqe for the first time tonight. I was just wondering if i need to grow a beard. Many of the men there did not have beards and i was just wondering.
Some people brought up good points about lots of non-Muslims having beards, which could mean that the hadith mentioning not imitating the disbelievers is invalid in this case. I can't tell u if that's true or not because I'm no scholar, but there are people like the Amish (Christian fundamentalists) that wear their beards EXACTLY like Muslims, shaving their mustaches as well.
However, the reason that's always made the most sense to me for growing a beard is that you feel more like a Muslim. For example, if you have a beard, can you imagine going into a bar and asking for a drink? Or stopping a woman on the street and asking for her number? Or even just looking at a pretty girl passing by? It kinda depends on the culture and the place you live, but I know that here in Egypt, men with beards would look really bad if they were doing anything Islamically unlawful. So it kinda keeps you in check.
It's a state of mind, more or less. If you feel like you're at the state that you would be comfortable with it, go for it. If not, then just make the intention to do it eventually and take it at your own pace.
growing a beard is classified as wajib, that is obligatory in islam so if you are able you should keep a beard.
but more importantly work on the bigger matters first, like learning prayers and making sure you are making them on time.
a lot of people follow a cultural version of islam, so dont understand the importance of these rules that make us strand out from the non muslims, others know what they should do but dont because they are lazy or sinful.
but as a new muslim concentrate on learning your prayers and fundemental beliefs first and if you can yes keep a beard.
assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
You are right brother ... i am agree with you ... first we should learn about the basics of Islam and fullfill them ... if you wana beard then you should be able to take a good care of beard and your daily actions
You are right brother ... i am agree with you ... first we should learn about the basics of Islam and fullfill them ... if you wana beard then you should be able to take a good care of beard and your daily actions
actually this is an old thread...akhee michael already have a beard.
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
actually this is an old thread...akhee michael already have a beard.
i Know its old thread ... its good news that he had beard .... but i wana say that if u wana beard then ur acts must b good so that the respect of beard not effect. okz understand ... and thanx for informing me
"Possible" could mean that its one of those things in which you have a choice in doing. Growing a beared is not compulsory, you don't have to if you don't want to. It is somewhat similar to marrying up to 4 wifes....it is referred to be 'sunna'... this means that you will be rewarded if you choose to do such things. Although if I go one about marrying more than one wife that has its rules which are more complicated then growing a beard. good luck
Ive read through this thread and had an interesting thought. What about someone like myself, who had a small beard before conversion (well a goatee really)....should I keep that and continue to grow a beard, or shave it off and grow a new beard as a muslim?
I would think us growing beard was a sign of manhood? - To shave it is womanly? Men should strive from being womanly, even when it comes to material of clothing that can be worn by men ! Thus maybe thats why its haram that certain clothing cannot be worn by men, hence wajib to keep a beard? Its the only logics I can come up with.
As for distinguishing from disbelievers, what disbelievers exactly? Back in the day, it was common to keep a beard, being believer or not, it is only as we come closer to the modern centuries where its a really highly practiced thing. If you see on the course of time, men GENERALLY did not do so.
Fight in the way of God, against those who fight against you, drive them out of the places they have drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. Fight them, until persecution is no more, and Religion is for God. But if they stop, let there be no war.
A little late maybe...but I'd like to share two hadeeth Bi'idnillah
Go contrary to the polytheists. Grow beards profusely and trim moustaches. (Bukhari and Muslim)
He who does not trim his moustaches is not one of us. (Mishkat)
A little late maybe...but I'd like to share two hadeeth Bi'idnillah
Go contrary to the polytheists. Grow beards profusely and trim moustaches. (Bukhari and Muslim)
He who does not trim his moustaches is not one of us. (Mishkat)
"Possible" could mean that its one of those things in which you have a choice in doing. Growing a beared is not compulsory, you don't have to if you don't want to. It is somewhat similar to marrying up to 4 wifes....it is referred to be 'sunna'... this means that you will be rewarded if you choose to do such things. Although if I go one about marrying more than one wife that has its rules which are more complicated then growing a beard. good luck
Can you provide proof its optional?
Sunnah/Hadith:
Hadith - Bukhari 7:781, Narrated Ibn 'Umar
Allah's Apostle said, "Cut the moustaches short and leave the beard (as it is)."
Hadith - Muslim, Narrated AbuHurayrah The Messenger of Allah said: Trim closely the moustache, and grow beard, and thus act against the fire-worshippers.
Hadith - Bukhari 9:651, Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri The Prophet said, "There will emerge from the East some people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not exceed their throats and who will go out of (renounce) the religion (Islam) as an arrow passes through the game, and they will never come back to it unless the arrow, comes back to the middle of the bow (by itself) (i.e., impossible)." The people asked, "What will their signs be?" He said, "Their sign will be the habit of shaving (of their beards)." (Fateh Al-Bari, Page 322, Vol. 17th)
Hadith - Muwatta 51.7 Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam that Ata ibn Yasar told him that the Messenger of Allah was in the mosque when a man came in with dishevelled hair and beard. The Messenger of Allah motioned with his hand that he should be sent out to groom his hair and beard. The man did so and then returned. The Messenger of Allah said, "Isn't this better than that one of you should come with his head dishevelled, as if he were a shaytan?"
Quran:
3:132
And obey Allah and the Messenger; that ye may obtain mercy.
4:42
On that day those who reject Faith and disobey the messenger will wish that the earth were made one with them: But never will they hide a single fact from Allah.
4:64
We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the leave of Allah. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked Allah's forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
4:80
He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah. But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over them.
24:56
So establish regular prayer and give Zakaat; and obey the Messenger. that ye may receive mercy.
*33:36*
It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.
59:7
...So take what the Messenger gives you, and refrain from what he prohibits you. And fear Allah: for Allah is strict in Punishment.
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I would think us growing beard was a sign of manhood? - To shave it is womanly? Men should strive from being womanly, even when it comes to material of clothing that can be worn by men ! Thus maybe thats why its haram that certain clothing cannot be worn by men, hence wajib to keep a beard? Its the only logics I can come up with.
As for distinguishing from disbelievers, what disbelievers exactly? Back in the day, it was common to keep a beard, being believer or not, it is only as we come closer to the modern centuries where its a really highly practiced thing. If you see on the course of time, men GENERALLY did not do so.
All men used to have beard before the People of Lut a.s. came along. The very first people to shave their beards were the people of Lut a.s. They were gay, so they shaved their beards to look like women.
One time a group of men came to the Prophet (saws) and they had their beards shaved and grown mustache, prophet s.a.w. turn away in disgust (of their sight), they looked like clowns. He s.a.w.s commanded us to grow the beard and trim the mustache. Sadly much of the muslim world does the opposite, way to follow the sunnah!
Many people have beards today, our command is to trim the mustache so we stand out as different and not as one of the mushikeen.
Last edited by islamirama; 09-27-2007 at 07:02 PM.
Sorry about the missing posts, but it is not wise for us to makes a statement of Tasfir unless we are recognised scholars and can show authentic proof. It is also not wise to reply to such posts.
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! Thus maybe thats why its haram that certain clothing cannot be worn by men, hence wajib to keep a beard? Its the only logics I can come up with.
(the people of Lut Alaihissalaam)
Allah's Apostlesaid, "Cut the moustaches short and leave the beard (as it is)."
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