Does this invalidate the prayer?

**Aaqib** · 07-27-2016

1. Mixing up on what to say in rukoo' and sujood
2. Scratching some part of your body due to terrible itching.

**talibilm** · 08-01-2016

ABZ2000 had quoted the appropriate hadith here IMO which proves Inshallah AR Rahman may forgive us for the slip of our tongues. Jazakallah khair.

Originally Posted by Abz2000

Riyadh as-Saliheen Series – Hadith 4: Repentance

*Chapter 2 – Ḥadīth 15: Repentance

eوعن أبي حمزةَ أنسِ بنِ مالكٍ الأنصاريِّ – خادِمِ رسولِ الله – قَالَ : قَالَ رَسُولُ الله : « للهُ أفْرَحُ بِتَوْبَةِ عَبْدِهِ مِنْ
أَحَدِكُمْ سَقَطَ عَلَى بَعِيرهِ وقد أضلَّهُ في أرضٍ فَلاةٍ » . مُتَّفَقٌ عليه .وفي رواية لمُسْلمٍ : « للهُ أَشَدُّ فَرَحاً بِتَوبَةِ عَبْدِهِ حِينَ يتوبُ إِلَيْهِ مِنْ أَحَدِكُمْ كَانَ عَلَى رَاحِلَتهِ بأرضٍ فَلاةٍ ، فَانْفَلَتَتْ مِنْهُ وَعَلَيْهَا طَعَامُهُ وَشَرَابهُ فأَيِسَ مِنْهَا ، فَأَتى شَجَرَةً فاضطَجَعَ في ظِلِّهَا وقد أيِسَ مِنْ رَاحلَتهِ ، فَبَينَما هُوَ كَذَلِكَ إِذْ هُوَ بِها قائِمَةً عِندَهُ ، فَأَخَذَ بِخِطامِهَا ، ثُمَّ قَالَ مِنْ شِدَّةِ الفَرَحِ : اللَّهُمَّ أنْتَ عَبدِي وأنا رَبُّكَ ! أَخْطَأَ مِنْ شِدَّةِ الفَرَحِ »َ

Anas b. Mālik Al-Ansāri (raḍyAllāhu 'anhu)*the servant of the Messenger of Allah narrated:

Messenger of Allah (ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:

“Verily, Allah is more delighted with the repentance of His slave than a person who lost his camel in a desert land and then finds it (unexpectedly)”.
[Bukhari and Muslim].

In another version of Muslim, he is reported to have said:
“Verily, Allah is more pleased with the repentance of His slave than a person who has his camel in a waterless desert carrying his provision of food and drink and it is lost. He, having lost all hopes (to get that back), lies down in shade and is disappointed about his camel; when all of a sudden he finds that camel standing before him. He takes hold of its reins and then out of boundless joy blurts out:
'O Allah, You are my slave and I am Your Rubb'.
He commits this mistake out of extreme joy.”

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen said in his explanation of this ḥadīth:The author (Al-Nawawi)*raḥimahullāhsays, 'the servant of the Messenger of Allah ' in reference to Anas (raḍyAllāhu 'anhu), whose mother brought him to the Prophet (ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam) upon arriving in Madinah and said, 'here is Anas ibn Malik to serve you'. The Prophet (ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam) accepted him, and Anas (raḍyAllāhu 'anhu) became the servant of the Prophet (ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam).
Anas (raḍyAllāhu 'anhu) related that the Messenger (ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: “Verily, Allah is more delighted with the repentance of His slave” more than the happiness of a man who finds his camel after losing it, and he mentioned the story: that a man was in a desert alone, with no water, food, or people…and he lost his camel. He searched, but failed to find it. So he went to sleep under a tree, awaiting death! He lost hope in finding his camel and lost hope in life, for his food and drink were on the lost camel.

Then suddenly, in this state of hopelessness, he finds his camel right in front of him, its reins attached to the same tree he slept beneath.
What is comparable to such happiness? No one can truly relate to such joy except one who was in the same situation.* Indeed, it is great joy; joy of life after death. For this reason he took hold of its reins and cried, “'O Allah, You are my slave and I am Your Rabb!'”*

He wanted to praise Allah saying:*'O Allah, You are my Lord and I am Your Slave',* but due to his extreme joy, he made a mistakenly switched it around.

From the Benefits of this ḥHadīth:*is evidence of Allah's –*azza wa jal*– happiness with the repentance of His slave to Him, and that He –*subḥānahu wa ta'āla*– loves this deed greatly. But this is not due to His need for our deeds and repentance, for Allah is Free of needs from us, rather this is due to Allah's love for Generosity, for He, subhanahu wata'ala, loves to Pardon and Forgive. This is more beloved to Him than taking retribution and imposing blame. For this reason, Allah loves the repentance of the slave.*So in this ḥadīth, there is encouragement towards repentance, due to Allah's love for it and the benefit it holds for the slave.

From the lessons of this ḥadīth*is affirmation (of the attribute) of 'happiness' to Allah*'azza wa jal. For He,*subḥānahu wa ta'āla, becomes Pleased, Angry, Hates and Loves. But these attributes are unlike our own, because Allah says
لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ ۖ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِيرُ
There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.”*(Sūrat'l-Shūra42:11).

So, this 'happiness' is befitting to His Might and Majesty*and does not resemble the joy of the creation.

In this Hadīth, there is also evidence that if a person's tongue slips and they say a certain statement mistakenly, even if it is in essence (a statement of)*kufr*(disbelief), then they are not held accountable for it. In the case of this man (in the hadith), his statement was one of disbelief. This is because, a person saying to his Lord, 'You are my slave and I am you Lord'; this is undoubtedly a statement of disbelief. But when it was uttered mistakenly – under circumstances of extreme joy – then he was not held accountable for it.*

So if a person makes a mistake regarding a word or statement of disbelief, then he is not accounted for it. Similar is the case for other words or statement, such as if he unintentionally cursed someone or mistakenly freed his slave. All of this does not make him accountable for anything, because he did not intend it. It becomes similar, in such a case, to the unintentional oath (al-laghw fil yameen). Allah*ta'āla*said:

لَّا يُؤَاخِذُكُمُ اللَّهُ بِاللَّغْوِ فِي أَيْمَانِكُمْ وَلَٰكِن يُؤَاخِذُكُم بِمَا كَسَبَتْ لَّا يُؤَاخِذُكُمُ اللَّهُ بِاللَّغْوِ فِي أَيْمَانِكُمْ وَلَٰكِن يُؤَاخِذُكُم بِمَا كَسَبَتْ قُلُوبُكُ

“Allah does not impose blame upon you for what is unintentional in your oaths, but He imposes blame upon you for what your hearts have earned.”*(Sūrat'l-Baqarah*2:225).

This is different from the case of the mocker, who becomes a disbeliever if he says a statement of disbelief, even if he was mocking. This is due to what Allah says,

وَلَئِن سَأَلْتَهُمْ لَيَقُولُنَّ إِنَّمَا كُنَّا نَخُوضُ وَنَلْعَبُ ۚ قُلْ أَبِاللَّهِ وَآيَاتِهِ وَرَسُولِهِ كُنتُمْ تَسْتَهْزِئُونَلَا تَعْتَذِرُوا قَدْ كَفَرْتُم بَعْدَ إِيمَانِكُمْ

“And if you ask them, they will surely say, “We were only conversing and playing.”
Say, “Is it Allah and His verses and His Messenger that you were mocking?”
Make no excuse; you have disbelieved after your belief.”*(*Sūrat'l-Tawbah*9:65, 66).

This is because the scoffer meant what he said, and meant it's meaning, but said it in the form of mockery and ridicule. For this reason, he became a disbeliever. This is contrary to the case of one who did not intend it, thus making his statement not considered as anything.This is from the Mercy of Allah –'azza wa jal*¬– and*Allah is the source of success.

http://muslimmatters.org/2011/10/06/...-4-repentance/

Anyways, it's necessary to say astaghfirullah (i seek Allah's forgiveness) whether it was intentional or not - and to repent sincerely if we have been foolish mockers -since we're reading this thread it means the angel of death hasn't visited us yet, there may still be time.

Aunty Begam, the OP only said "My Master is glorified and free from every imperfection, The Most Strong and Powerful" in place of "My Master is glorified and free from every imperfection, The Most High".
God knows what grevous and hefty punishment you believe the OP's Master is preparing for him.

**OmAbdullah** · 08-04-2016

Originally Posted by abd il-Hakim

Astaghfirullah. Perhaps I'm better off not being here. You're right. I'm nothing in comparison to my brothers and sisters. I'm terrified of the akhira.

I'm surprised by this though

May Allah subhanahu wa Ta'ala forgive me and grant all of my brothers and sisters Jannat al-firdaus. amin ya Rabb

If anyone reads my du'aa which says, "May Allah make my prayer like the great Muslims of the past", then he/she will not be surprised. Actually "pray" means to make du'aa and also to make salaah. You must read my post carefully and shouldn't quote incomplete statement to give misunderstanding to the readers. You say that you fear the Aakhirah. But you are giving misunderstanding to people about me by quoting incomplete statement from my post. Allah is watching you and the angels are making a record of your writings along with your niyyah !!! You are going to face your Record on the Day of Judgement.

You are right. The direct teaching is done by Talibilm and I quoted him. He didn't answer. I quoted you in my 2nd post (post 12) because it was you who on one side okayed the two writers in their mistakes and on the other side scolded me on the right statement. Tell me what wrong did I write in my post # 10. You judged me and also you judged the Op. Here I am giving a hadeeth which I read somewhere in tafseer of the Holy Quraan:

According to the hadeeth shareef; A man was making salaah and was playing with his beard. I don't remember exactly whether the word playing was used or not ( Allah knows best) but the hadeeth showed that during prayer his hand was on his beard. The Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wasallam said to the companions, "if he had taqwa then he would not do that". (Allah knows best the exact words of the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wasallam.)

From this hadeeth and others it is clear that during prayer (Salaah) a Muslim is not supposed to make extra movements, must keep his hands where they are supposed to be.

Second point is that the men with such action was considered by the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wasallam as to have lack of taqwa. If a Muslim doesn't have taqwa, then his faith is weak. According to the teaching of the Quraan and Sunnah, faith increases and decreases in degrees. So I didn't judge the OP. You must know that according to another Hadeeth,

A person remains good practicing Muslim but near death he remains one arm away from Paradise and enters Hell while another person remains a sinner the whole life but near death remains one arm away from Hell and enters Paradise. ( Allah knows best the words of HIS Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wasallam).

According to this hadeeth, no one can be sure about his / her own end and thus I pray for my self to get Husni-Khaatimah (good end). Then how can I judge someone. But you also have no right to judge me and give me so many wrong accusations. On the other hand you are not guiding two brothers about their mistakes. Rather you are okaying whatever mistakes they are making. Thus you are trying to keep them in darkness.

My statements are in front of Allah and are recorded by the angels. On the Day of Judgement Allah will clear our differences. But I am writing every thing in the light of the Holy Quraan and the Sunnah. It would be better for you to look into these two sources of Islam and make the differences clear here, otherwise in the Aakhirah there will be no possibility to make up the loss.

**OmAbdullah** · 08-05-2016

Originally Posted by Aaqib

Sister nbegam, what about Salatul Sajda? When you don't remember about the salaat?

Assalaamo alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

I am sorry, I couldn't understand the meaning of your question. The term salatul sajda ?? May be you mean sajdah saho/sahw.

**Aaqib** · 08-05-2016

Originally Posted by nbegam

I will not keep you in darkness. According to a hadeeth shareef, "believers are the mirror of each other". I understand the meaning of this hadeeth that the believers should ask each other and should tell each other exactly what he/ she understands about the other.

So I am telling you sincerely that you have to do a lot to understand Islam. You must sit with learned Muslims and try to learn the Quraan and Sunnah from them. I am sad to see that you could not understand the meaning of my statement. I have written, " If due to waswasa I don't remember my COMMUNICATION with Allah then I repeat my prayer."

Sad to see that you could not understand the meaning of COMMUNICATION with Allah!!

It will be better that you ask a muttaqee scholar or imam the meaning of Communication with Allah during our prayers.

I wanted to clarify it.

**Aaqib** · 08-05-2016

Originally Posted by nbegam

I will not keep you in darkness. According to a hadeeth shareef, "believers are the mirror of each other". I understand the meaning of this hadeeth that the believers should ask each other and should tell each other exactly what he/ she understands about the other.

So I am telling you sincerely that you have to do a lot to understand Islam. You must sit with learned Muslims and try to learn the Quraan and Sunnah from them. I am sad to see that you could not understand the meaning of my statement. I have written, " If due to waswasa I don't remember my COMMUNICATION with Allah then I repeat my prayer."

Sad to see that you could not understand the meaning of COMMUNICATION with Allah!!

It will be better that you ask a muttaqee scholar or imam the meaning of Communication with Allah during our prayers.

Your answer didn't help me, you didn't explain to me about the state of the prostration of forgetfulness.

**aaj** · 08-05-2016

List of things that invalidate the prayer

islamqa.info/en/87749

Uncertain of the number of rak’ahs

islamqa.info/en/33624

**OmAbdullah** · 08-09-2016

Originally Posted by Aaqib

Your answer didn't help me, you didn't explain to me about the state of the prostration of forgetfulness.

Wa Alaikum assalaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh.

In fact I didn't understand your question but now it is clear, you are asking about sajdah saho.

According to the book of Ibadaat, the scholars say that in the salaat /salaah there are some major acts which they name "rukun". If such a major act is forgotten, then we must repeat the salaat. The examples are; qiyaam (standing and reading surah A-Faatihah), rukoo, sujood and takbeeri tahrimah.

During qiyaam (standing) reading of surah Al-Faatihah is obligation on every Muslim. According to a hadeeth shareef, there is no salaat without surah Al-Faatihah. For e.g. if you reach a Masjid when the Imaam has started prayer. You stand behind him, say Allahu Akbar while taking your hands to your ears (Takbeeri tahrima) and start the prayer. The Imaam soon goes into rukoo before you completed the Al-Faatihah. You follow him into rukoo. When the Imaam finishes and turns salaam, you will stand up and will make another raka' (cycle) because your first raka' was not complete without surah Al-Faatihah.

Some people bring another hadeeth in this regard i.e. the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam said that the qira'a (recitation) of the imam is your qira'a (recitation). So they say that reading Al-Faatihah is not obligation on a Muslim when he is praying with imaam. But this is wrong. This hadeeth is about the recitation of some other surah or a few verses by the imam after Al-Faatihah. As every Muslim may not memorize the whole Quraan therefore he/she are supposed to listen to the imam whatever he recites after Al-Faatihah. But the Al-Faatihah is a single surah which every Muslim can memorize and must memorize, Then they must read it in every qiyaam other- wise his /her salaah will not be valid.

Similarly, rukoo and two sujood in each raka't (cycle) are a must. The first takbeer (Takbeeri-Tahrimah) is also a must to make the salaah valid.

In addition to the many rukuns (major obligatory acts) there are many other things which a Muslim may forget. For e.g. in 3 rakaat and 4 rakaat prayers, we must sit after the 2^nd raka’t and read attahiyyaat until tashahhad, then stand up to complete the prayer. Sometimes a Muslim may forget to keep sitting after the sujood of the 2^nd rak’t and read attahiyyaat until tashahhad. So he/she stands upright after the sujood and starts the 3^rd raka’t. In such cases he/she should continue making the prayer till he/she reaches the sitting of the last raka’t. There after reading attahiyyaat until tashahhad, he/she should make one sajdah and then sit again starting attahiyyaat, read it until the end and turn salaam to the right and left side. This one sjdah is called sajdah saho. Allah the Most Merciful has made the things easy for us because we can never be perfect.

Once, long before, I read in the Mu’aariful Hadeeth that one day the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam lead the Muslims in a 4 rakaat prayer, but He performed two rakaat instead of four. At the end of salaah, the companions rAa asked if the salaah was made shorter. The Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam asked the reason for their questioning. They told Him that He made 2 rakat instead of 4. The Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam made two sajdah and then started two rakaat prayer, He lead the companions in the prayer to complete four rakaat fard prayer.

Again it may happen that we make 5 rakaat instead of the 4 rakaat sunnat or fard prayer, or make three rakaat in place of 4 rakaat. Then we realize our mistake. The treatment is to make 2 (two) sujood and then make intention of one rakaat more of the sunnat or fard prayer as the case may be, and thus complete the salaah. If we realize that we made 5 rakaat in place of 4 rakaat, then we should only make two sujood. The 2 sujood can be made in the end of the prayer just before turning salam if we remembered our mistake while still in the prayer. If had finished the prayer, then still we can make the two sajdah as I read about Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam in the Mu’aariful Hadeeth, when He made two more rakaat to comlete 4 fard (I have mentioned it above in this post).

This is my understanding and knowledge about the two types of the sajdah saho. If anyone knows more or if anyone finds my mistake then please write more and correct my mistake, please don’t leave each other’s mistake in the matter of Deen (religion) to the Day of Accounting. Please correct me if I am wrong, I will be thankful.