The way in which women pray is the same as the way in which men pray (OP)
Question :
Would u please tell me the proper way for women to sit, when we pray, also can you please differenciate the sitting position, from men.
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah. The way in which women pray is the same as the way in which men pray in every part of the prayer, prostration, sitting, and so on. This is based on the following evidence:
1 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Pray as you have seen me praying.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari. This is addressed to both men and woman.
Shaykh al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
Everything that we have said above about the way in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed applies equally to men and women. There is nothing narrated in the Sunnah which implies that women are exempted from any of that. Rather the general meaning of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “Pray as you have seen me praying,” include women too. Sifat Salaat al-Nabi , p. 189
2 – The general meaning of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Women are the twin halves of men.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 204; al-Tirmidhi, 105, from the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah. Also narrated by al-Daarimi, 764, from the hadeeth of Anas.
Al-‘Ajlooni said: Ibn Qattaan said: The isnaad from ‘Aa’ishah is da’eef (weak), but the isnaad from Anas is saheeh (sound). Kashf al-Khafa’ , 1/248
Al-Khattaabi said: What we understand from this is: If something is said in the masculine, it is addressed to women too, except in cases where there is evidence to indicate that it applies only to women.
Some of the scholars said that a woman should not sit as a man sits (in prayer), and they quoted two da’eef (weak) hadeeths as evidence for that.
Al-Bayhaqi said:
Two da’eef hadeeth were narrated concerning that, the like of which cannot be taken as evidence.
The first is the hadeeth of ‘Ata’ ibn al-‘Ajlaan from Abu Nadrah al-‘Abdi from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri, the companion of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), that he used to command the men to spread out their arms in their prostration and he used to tell the women to keep their arms close to their sides in their prostration. He used to tell the men to spread their left foot along the ground (and sit on it) and place the right foot upright during the tashahhud and he used to tell the women to sit, kneeling, on their heels.” Then al-Bayyhaqi said: This is a munkar hadeeth.
The other is the hadeeth of Abu Mutee’ al-Hakam ibn ‘Abd-Allaah al-Balkhi from ‘Umar ibn Dharr from Mujaahid from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar who said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a woman sits during the prayer she should place one thigh against the other and when she prostrates she should press her stomach against her thighs, compressing herself in the most concealing manner, for Allaah looks at her and says: ‘O My angels, I call you to bear witness that I have forgiven her.’” Sunan al-Bayhaqi al-Kubra, 2/222.
This hadeeth is da’eef, because it was narrated by Abu Mutee’ al-Balkhi.
Ibn Hajar said:
Ibn Mu’een said: He is nothing. On one occasion he said: He is da’eef. Al-Bukhaari said: He is da’eef. Al-Nasaa’i said: He is da’eef. Lisaan al-Mizaan, 2/334.
Ibn ‘Adiyy said: It is clear that Abu Mutee’ is da’eef in his ahaadeeth and everything that he narrated, and for most of his narrations there are no corroborating reports.
Al-Kaamil fi Du’afa’ al-Rijaal, 2/214
A third hadeeth was narrated from Yazeed ibn Abi Habeeb, saying that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) passed by two women who were praying. He said: “When you prostrate, press some of your flesh to the ground, for women are not like men in that.”
This was narrated by Abu Dawood in al-Maraaseel (p. 118) and by al-Bayhaqi (2/223).
This hadeeth is mursal, which is a category of da’eef (weak).
In al-Musannaf (1/242), Ibn Abi Shaybah narrated some reports from some of the salaf which suggest that there is a difference in the way women and men sit (in prayer), but the only evidence that counts is the words of Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Then he narrated from some of the salaf that the way in which men and women pray is the same.
Al-Bukhaari (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Umm al-Darda’ used to sit in prayer as a man sits and she was a scholarly woman.
Al-Haafiz stated in Fath al-Baari that Abu’l-Darda’ had two wives, both of whom were called Umm al-Darda’. The older one was a Sahaabiyyah and the younger one was a Taabi’iyyah. He suggested that the one who was referred to here by al-Bukhaari was the younger one.
See also the answer to question no. 38162.
And Allaah knows best.
Akhee, please give me the classifications of those ahadith that you have just quoted. As you know, we do not attribute da'eef or mawdoo' ahadith to the Prophet (SAW), as that would be lying against him. Rather we should say, it was reported, instead of 'The Prophet said..'. when it comes to weak or fabricated hadith.
assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah
i dedect that you have somehow deduced that these narrations are not worthy of being used because you have seen stronger sources from scholars, respected ukhtee i respect your opinion and decision.
i find that the 'ulama who have gone in-depth with fiqh and masaa'il have found it permissable if not commendable to use these ahaadith therefore i consider the hadith to be valid. InshaAllah that is also why i think that hadith is speaking only to men
also i do not know the classifications of the hadith, it was not given so allahu a'lam
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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Re: The way in which women pray is the same as the way in which men pray
I found this on the net:
All that has been mentioned of the description of the Prophet\'s prayer (sallallaahu \'alaihi wa sallam) applies equally to men and women, for there is nothing in the Sunnah to necessitate the exception of women from any of these descriptions; in fact, the generality of his statement (sallallaahu \'alaihi wa sallam), \"Pray as you have seen me praying\", includes women.
This is the view of Ibraaheem an-Nakh\'i, who said, \"A woman\'s actions in the prayer are the same as a man\'s\" - transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaibah (1/75/2), with a saheeh sanad from him.
Also, Bukhaari reported in at-Taareekh as-Sagheer (p. 95) with a saheeh sanad from Umm ad-Dardaa\', \"that she used to sit in her prayer just as a man sits, and she was a woman of understanding.\"
The hadeeth about the indimaam (tucking up) of a woman in prostration, and that she is in that regard not like a man, is mursal and not authentic. Abu Daawood transmitted it in al-Maraaseel on the authority of Yazeed ibn Abi Habeeb.
As for what Imaam Ahmad has reported, as in his son \'Abdullaah\'s Masaa\'il, from Ibn \'Umar, that he used to instruct his wives to sit cross-legged in prayer, its sanad is not authentic, for it contains \'Abdullaah ibn \'Umar al-\'Amri, who is a da\'eef (weak) narrator.
Re: The way in which women pray is the same as the way in which men pray
I don't know about you brothers and sisters but I feel as though we are going around in circles.
One members thinks this and the other that, just argumentation after argumentation.
Can you blame me if I close the thread? Honestly now what is the point in this? If you're truly after the Haqq then you'd do extensive research and that research should lead one to the Quran and Sunnah and the way of the Salaaf.
If you are pleased/happy with what you found that then Khalas! I don’t think there is any point in arguing about it. However, if you want to seek knowledge and verification then ask away...but I am not up for argumentation for surely it is from Shaytan.
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