There are stories of previous Prophets in Quran. (Musa, Yusuf, Yunus and others )
What's the wisdom and lesson in these stories?
Thanks in advance for the answers!
Allah has always tell the truth. you can know whatever is in Quran, science has prove it now. whatever is in Quran, you can see th examples in daily life and can understand. also the other holy books can make your idea clear, if you found them in real form which is almost impossible.
In the All-Wise Qur’an are numerous minor events behind which are concealed universal principles, and which are shown as the tips of general laws. Certain minor incidents in the Qur’an which are mentioned in the form of historical events, are the tips of universal principles.
Addressing every age and every class of people, in its stories and historical narratives, it does not recount one part or one lesson from them, but points out elements of a universal principle, as though it was newly revealed. Particularly its often repeated threats of the wrongdoers, the wrongdoers, and its severe expositions of calamities visited on the heavens and the earth, the punishment for their wrongdoing -through these and the retribution visited on the ‘Ad and Thamud peoples and on Pharaoh- it draws attention to the unequalled wrongs of this century, and through the salvation of prophets like Abraham (PUH) and Moses (PUH) gives consolation to the oppressed believers.
“An hour’s reflective thought is better than a year’s worship” Hadith
"We Muslims, who are students of the Qur’an, follow proof; we approach the truths of belief through reason, thought, and our hearts. " Bediuzzaman Said Nursi
my friend; The wisdom and lesson on those stories never end, but Increases the Faith.
talking about our present state i mean this Ummat Muhammad (s.a.w)
"We are luckiest Ummah" ask me how!
.................................................. ......we got full stories from the beginning of human creation, not to speak about universe.............we have been informed the ERRORS of the Past communities we have been informed even some Prophets like
dhu Nuun Jonah...Yunus? all this for us to a) Not repeat those errors as for sure will be led to similar "Nakama" they had met.....
we have been informed how to repent instantly should any commit errors such as ....the above Prophet did uttered
"La Illah Ila anta Subhanaka Ini Kuntu mina dhaaliiyn"
.............................. ............clearly in the Kuran Kareem..........sura(14-17)....................... Love of lust for women etc.....................
.....Let us imagine............
IF......i repeat IF
A massenger would be; sent after Nabii Mohammad (s.a.w)
what do you think THE MESSAGE WOULD BE LIKE if included
the this Ummat Muhammad?(s.a.w)
how they respond (of course not all but ) we have eyes human eyes not animal eye .
thank you for the question
Good question and am anxious to see all (as Muslims) should give their response.
Allah has always tell the truth. you can know whatever is in Quran, science has prove it now. whatever is in Quran, you can see th examples in daily life and can understand. also the other holy books can make your idea clear, if you found them in real form which is almost impossible.
I think if you have clear understanding of those books with a grounding in the Quran, they will make more sense.
I cannot agree more with this point, science and the Quran are more connected than many will suggest.
ALLAH has brought up many creatures of all types. More things clear from hazrat (name skip from mind) that he made a mosque with the help of jinnat and they have many jinnat in their order to fulfil their demands and help people. They exist but we cannot see them . ALLAH has given them power but they cannot harm us. Most people have different views but that's true that they can't hurt us...
Doesn't Quran talk about "jinns"? What is the scientific proof of jinns?
Jinns are a creation of Allah made from smokeless fire, and therefore are unseen, while angels are made from light.
Current quantum gravity theory speculates that our universe consist of 11 or something dimensions, so jinns may live in the other dimensions.
up to now, no science and technology is able to "prove" them as in detect or catch them.
But it does not mean they do not exist, unless you think our science and technology has reached the pinnacle. A thousand years ago, people could not prove the existence of microbes and atoms through science at that time, but it does not mean microbes and atoms did not exist back then.
Belief in their (angels and jinns) existence is part of the faith. If they are easily presented, it would not be faith would it?
D...you can know whatever is in Quran, science has prove it now. whatever is in Quran, you can see th examples in daily life and can understand...
And I just gave one example of the things we have no scientific proof what so ever. To start with a supernatural creator.
Will science discover that we share this universe with other beings that we cannot see? Maybe. Just like maybe, we all live in a gigantic computer simulation. We can speculate all day long about the things that may be. Human imagination is a vast ocean after all.
So, going back to my first post, is there any scientific evidence for the existence of the jinns? Or even Allah for that matter?
Of course I had read your message. I should've written a longer response.
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
Jinns are a creation of Allah made from smokeless fire, and therefore are unseen, while angels are made from light.
That's the religious explanation, obviously not a scientific one.
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
Current quantum gravity theory speculates that our universe consist of 11 or something dimensions, so jinns may live in the other dimensions.
They may. Just like pegasus, leprechauns or even the good old Santa Claus. (I am not saying that with a mocking smile. I am just trying to state that there's no end to speculation outside scientific evidence).
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
up to now, no science and technology is able to "prove" them as in detect or catch them.
But it does not mean they do not exist, unless you think our science and technology has reached the pinnacle. A thousand years ago, people could not prove the existence of microbes and atoms through science at that time, but it does not mean microbes and atoms did not exist back then.
Well... If they cannot be proven scientifically, with scientific methods than they don't exist. Can we be 100% certain. Probably not but this starts to be the realm of philosophy because there's no 100% truth anywhere. That's why we stick to scientific evidence when it comes to prove something. Otherwise we would have a hard time to convict criminals.
I totally agree that science doesn't know everything but as you put it we know way more than what we used to a few centuries ago. And I'm certain that we know less than we'll know in a few centuries. This doesn't change the fact that some of the things that are the base of religions, such as a supernatural creator, remain scientifically unproven.
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
Belief in their (angels and jinns) existence is part of the faith. If they are easily presented, it would not be faith would it?
That's exactly my point. They are part of the faith and are not a scientific evidence. Not everything written in Quran can be proven scientifically, starting with Allah (just the point I was making in my first post). The realization of that is the biggest factor in the increasing number of agnostics and atheists that we see around.
They may. Just like pegasus, leprechauns or even the good old Santa Claus. (I am not saying that with a mocking smile. I am just trying to state that there's no end to speculation outside scientific evidence).
I thought you were being serious with your question.
Did you know that your line is only used by amateur atheists?
yawnn....
why did I even waste my time...
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Well... If they cannot be proven scientifically, with scientific methods than they don't exist.
Using your logic and reasoning, atoms and microbes did not exist 1,000 years ago.
smart.
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That's why we stick to scientific evidence when it comes to prove something. Otherwise we would have a hard time to convict criminals.
Ok, so your yardstick whether something exist or not is scientific evidence.
Now, prove to me that you truly exist.
You can use any scientific method and tools.
If you can't, then you don't exist.
I thought you were being serious with your question.
Did you know that your line is only used by amateur atheists?
yawnn....
why did I even waste my time...
There's no need to resort to name calling. I've always kept a respectful tone. And I noted, on purpose, that my intent was not to mock as I was simply given examples to imaginary things.
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
Using your logic and reasoning, atoms and microbes did not exist 1,000 years ago.
smart.
Of course they existed. Maybe they hadn't seen them but they were getting sick, getting infections etc. So microbes had direct scientifically proven effects on people's lives.
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
Ok, so your yardstick whether something exist or not is scientific evidence.
Now, prove to me that you truly exist.
You can use any scientific method and tools.
If you can't, then you don't exist.
I am a living being. I eat, I go to toilet, I procreate (I have a son). I have a social security number and a passport. Where are you going with this?
At this point, do we both believe that not everything mentioned in the Quran can be scientifically proven?
Not everything has a scientific explanation. Or even if it does, maybe some logics have not been discovered just yet.
Do you only believe in science? Science does not believe in God. Do you also believe the same?
The scientific name for us is "homosapiens" and we are categorised under animals. Science believes that we humans evoulved from monkeys. Do you believe that you are actually related to the monkeys?!
Everything may not have a scientific explanation but it does have a reason.
And I just gave one example of the things we have no scientific proof what so ever. To start with a supernatural creator.
Will science discover that we share this universe with other beings that we cannot see? Maybe. Just like maybe, we all live in a gigantic computer simulation. We can speculate all day long about the things that may be. Human imagination is a vast ocean after all.
So, going back to my first post, is there any scientific evidence for the existence of the jinns? Or even Allah for that matter?
Probably not by any concepts of scientific evidence known at this time. Lack of evidence does not equate to lack of existence. The existence of many things have not been explained except by the concept of the existence of Allaah(swt) not the least of which are the creation of matter, the existence of life, cognitive self awareness, and miraculous events that have no scientific proof of being possible.
Not everything has a scientific explanation. Or even if it does, maybe some logics have not been discovered just yet.
That's true. Science doesn't explain everything, for most of them (if not all), not yet. But this is true for the things that we can scientifically theorize. We have life but science hasn't proven how the first living organism came to be (but they are close ). Or we have cancer but science hasn't cured it totally.
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Do you only believe in science?
I do believe in science. But this is not like believing in a religion. I do believe in what science says because for something to be scientifically true, it has to be backed by scientific facts and methods.
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Science does not believe in God. Do you also believe the same?
This is not entirely true. Or, let me say, this is not I would have put it. God, or any supernatural creator power for that matter, cannot be proven. As we prove things with scientific methods, my statement implicitly relies on science for this proof. If there was any scientific proof for the existence of any god, science would gladly accept it because it would be scientifically proven.
format_quote Originally Posted by peace_maker
The scientific name for us is "homosapiens" and we are categorised under animals. Science believes that we humans evoulved from monkeys. Do you believe that you are actually related to the monkeys?!
If I may, the evolution doesn't say that we evolved from monkeys but it states your following statement, that we are related to monkeys, as we are related to any other living beings if you go back in time. Humans and other primates share a common ancestor, that is closer in time that our ancestor with, let's say, sharks. This is the only scientifically proven explanation of how simple organisms form more complex life-forms given enough time.
format_quote Originally Posted by peace_maker
Everything may not have a scientific explanation but it does have a reason.
I am a rational person. I think and need facts and proofs. Assigning reason to various things is a common human trait. In this, children are perfect examples of this: they assign purpose to everything. To cite the famous example: "clouds are 'for raining'", "pointy rocks are 'so animal can scratch on them when they get itchy'". However this doesn't mean that they "have a reason". We perfectly know how clouds form, move etc. Universe is neutral to us and doesn't care about us.
And yes, everything that exists in this universe has a scientific explanation or can scientifically be proven. Science may not have all the answers yet but it is getting there. How else we would separate imaginary from real? As in my example of the beginning of life, science is trying to explain how the first living organism came by, or the age of the universe or what was there before the big bang, but those are all questions asked about scientifically proven things and not some imaginary things that may exist somewhere that we may not be aware of yet.
So I don't believe in things that cannot be scientifically proven and any rational mind shouldn't either.
there is lots of wisdom in these stories. not only do they teach a moral lesson but also were a source of encouragement to the Prophet (SAW) and his companions when they were so weak and the unbelievers of Mecca were far stronger than them. additionaly, many of the facts in these stories have been proven historically, like some of the details regarding Prophet Musa (AS) and Prophet Yusuf (AS). some of the details related to these prophets were not the same as in the bible. This shows that that the Quran wasn't copied from the bible. recently it was proven historically that the information given in the Quran is correct and the information given in the bible is incorrect. for example, bible calls the king at the time of Prophet yusuf (AS) pharoah but in the quran he is called "rabb." it was later discovered that the egyptians called their kings pharoahs and that the king at the time of Prophet Yusus AS was not from the egyptian race so he wasn't called pharoah.
other information has also been proven correct in the Quran and in the future as science advances, some other info will also be proven to be correct. and this shows that the Quran is the book of God since noone could have given this information to the Prophet (SAW) except the Knower of the Unseen , that is God.
as for jinns, their existence has been proven. paranormal scientists use devices which detect jinns. at present i don't have the details about these, but you can research it.
Lack of evidence does not equate to lack of existence.
Philosophically true. Just like "there's not absolute truth" but in practice it does. Our justice system is a good example of that. You have to prove someone guilty of something to convict him. There's a lack of evidence that you committed a crime but it doesn't mean that you haven't so I'll lock you up. I hope you see that it's a false reasoning.
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
Probably not by any concepts of scientific evidence known at this time.
This is speculation. This may or may not be. For that matter, it may be that Odin created the universe or Zeus. There's not end to maybes.
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...miraculous events that have no scientific proof of being possible
There we agree.
History tells us that humanity have assigned divine meaning to various unexplained things. But we now know that a comet is not a miraculous sign from a god or an eclipse doesn't mean that a god is angry with us. Science has been good and relentless at discovering these scientifically experienced unknowns that humanity didn't have a scientific explanation at the time. It's just a matter of time we know, for instance, the truth behind the first living organism, like abiogenesis.
as for jinns, their existence has been proven. paranormal scientists use devices which detect jinns. at present i don't have the details about these, but you can research it.
Oh! Come on!
I'm looking forward to those proofs, if you're so kind to forward them here.
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