The Power of the Quran

[Wayward Soul]

Salaam brothers and sisters!

Although I have barely just begun my life as a Muslim, it appears that I might convert my friends, too (Allah willing, of course)! Some of my friends asked to see my Quran when I told them I was reading it, and they were very intrigued by it. All of these friends of mine are Catholics, but when they read parts of it, they all came to the conclusion that the Quran was much more logical and interesting than the Bible. They are now interested in Islam!

Also, from all the media's propaganda about how Islam is evil, they did not even know that Muslims recognize Jesus as a prophet. I showed them the passages of the Quran that mention Jesus as a prophet, and they were impressed and shocked at the same time.

I truly hope they take up the true faith as I have. Christianity is a poor substitute for the real thing.

[xAtlasx]

Salaam brother

As a new Muslim myself I've had some opportunities to make dua too! Let's pray that their hearts would be open to the truth! Inshallah

[Steven John]

I truly hope they take up the true faith as I have. Christianity is a poor substitute for the real thing.

AoA,
I ponder if your Quran is the same as the one i am reading from.
The copy i have explains that Allah gave us Christian religion but men have distorted it.

I believe true Christianity is Islam (Allahs true religion). for my reading of the Quran.

If "Christians" were true to their religion as Allah revealed it how fewer problems would this world have.

I yield to you if you hold the truth and are speaking it here.

Your post even shows that Christianity was after Islamic religion as you state it is to substitute. My English is at times poor but my understanding of the word substitute is some thing to replace.

When reading the Quran i read that the Islamic religion was to substitute Christianity as men were messing it up. Where Islam has always been Allahs true religion for us, be it in the faith of all Allahs messengers (pbut) and those of us who submit.

You must have great knowledge of the Arabic language to see what i did not see.

It is good you have a sound knowledge and understanding of the Quran i would not like if you did not understand it and were trying to convert people to what you do not understand out of some sense of collective high feeling because you spoke words you do not truley understand the implications of . If those you are trying to convert saw contradiction between your words and the Quran they could think you a fool.

Allah does not give good guide to fools.

Feelings are poor indicators of truth, terrible things can make people feel good, sinners even encourage sinners to feel good about sin, deluding sinners to believe they are good.

Brother if you believe as i do Allah guides us to truth if we sincerely want to be on the right path and have friends of good counsel.
And if you should see your words quoted are not truth, who is the illah who guides you and what person supported you to its guidance?

I would also kindly suggest you are more the name you are using here than your were 4 years ago approx (maybe i am not exact). Were you not then more true to your then profession of "faith"?

May Allah bless and guide you and yours in His truth as youse submit unto Him.

[Khalid_Sayf]

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

AoA,
I ponder if your Quran is the same as the one i am reading from.
The copy i have explains that Allah gave us Christian religion but men have distorted it..

There is only one Qur`aan which is the arabic, but the other Qur`aans you read are translations such as english, french, german etc.

I believe true Christianity is Islam (Allahs true religion)...

The religion of Allaah is the truth and Christianity is not similar to Islaam! but rather the teachings of Jesus (pbuh) the real teaching in the Injeel were "distorted", the original message does not exist today ie the Injeel/Gospel.

for my reading of the Quran.

If "Christians" were true to their religion as Allah revealed it how fewer problems would this world have.)...

Christian and a Muslim are different, because the Christian today believes to the Prophet Jesus as their lord, in Islaam that is not the belief. Allaah is the "Creator" of Jesus (pbuh), if you believe in Allaah then you deny that Jesus is God ...Because Allaah says in the Qur`aan :
Say: He is Allah, the One!,
Allah, the eternally Besought of all! ,
He begetteth not nor was begotten. .
And there is none comparable unto Him. (hope your English is good enough to read and understand them verses of the 112 chapter of the Noble Qur`aan..Al Ikhlaas (The Sincerity)..

I yield to you if you hold the truth and are speaking it here. .)...

Lol people and there so called "high standard of words or vocabulary" , dont know what the heeck "yeild" means or what context your using it, But the Truth the brother or sister is speaking of is Islaam, the Religion of Allaah, the religion he bestowed upon mankind, and sent messengers and one of those blessed messengers were Jesus (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) Indeed...

Your post even shows that Christianity was after Islamic religion as you state it is to substitute. My English is at times poor but my understanding of the word substitute is some thing to replace.

Okay the brother was giving glad tidings about how hes happy that people are reading the Qur`aan and how it affected them, as its his job to give dawah(Invite people to the Truth ie Islaam), lol again another word substitute :\..okay anyways..where does he state that its so called to be "Substitute"? maybe my english is bad anyway.. what you said here is totally off topic and have no idea what your saying

When reading the Quran i read that the Islamic religion was to substitute Christianity as men were messing it up. Where Islam has always been Allahs true religion for us, be it in the faith of all Allahs messengers (pbut) and those of us who submit..

If Islaam is the true religion, then why are you still a Christian? Islaam was bringing back the message of all the prophets, due to their message being misunderstood and a failed, as people took them to be Gods, or whatever else :|...Here i`ll show you a verse where Allaah tells us he sent messengers to every part of this World, im not saying this YOUR creator (wow creator beautiful right?) is saying this!!!:
And verily We have raised in every nation a messenger, (proclaiming): Serve Allah and shun false gods. Then some of them (there were) whom Allah guided, and some of them (there were) upon whom error had just hold. Do but travel in the land and see the nature of the consequence for the deniers! [Al Quraan 16:36]...now smile and i hope you understand what im trying to say so yeah...

You must have great knowledge of the Arabic language to see what i did not see...

He never said he did , and the brother told us how the christians were interested in reading the Quraan, i dont see what the knowledge of arabic has to do with what you saw and what you didnt!

It is good you have a sound knowledge and understanding of the Quran i would not like if you did not understand it and were trying to convert people to what you do not understand out of some sense of collective high feeling because you spoke words you do not truley understand the implications of . If those you are trying to convert saw contradiction between your words and the Quran they could think you a fool....

First of all the brother is teling us how his friends are interested, and they liked the information shown to them, so therefore he was`nt "trying" to convert them because only Allaah guide people to Islaam, and we only Invite (Dawah) and thats because its our duty as a Muslim. "Say you (O Muhammad): 'This is my way; I invite unto Allah (i.e. to the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) with sure knowledge, I and whosoever follows me (also must invite others to Allah i.e. to the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) with sure knowledge. And Glorified and Exalted be Allah (above all that they associate as partners with Him). And I am not of the Mushrikoon (polytheists; those who worship others along with Allah or set up rivals or partners to Allah).'" [al-Qur'aan, Yusuf(12):108] hope i made that clear!..

Allah does not give good guide to fools.

Yes Indeed God does not guide fools, he guides who he wills! Those who seek the truth themselves instead of just relying on their own thoughts and opinions about some certain information!...

Feelings are poor indicators of truth, terrible things can make people feel good, sinners even encourage sinners to feel good about sin, deluding sinners to believe they are good..

Errr..err..ermm i disagree, Feeelings are what we humans are created with, if we didnt have them we would be a rock sitting on the ground moaning lol even thats impossible whatsoever...
But Allaah is our creator and he has given us the ability to cry, be happy etc..thats called being a Human!, yes terrible things can make people feel good such as , drinking alcohol it has bad effects of it towards and individual but it makes the person feel good whatsoever etc....lol the line coloured in red is funny, so where did you hear that from? the last line was totally something i cannot understand but okay

Brother if you believe as i do Allah guides us to truth if we sincerely want to be on the right path and have friends of good counsel.
And if you should see your words quoted are not truth, who is the illah who guides you and what person supported you to its guidance?..

Your a christian right? you believe that Jesus is God or son of God, then why are you saying Allaah will guide this brother as he guided you? lol wouldnt that make you both on the straight both or the same, why you saying Allaah ? if you believe Allaah is your lord, then you must also believe Jesus is his Beloved prophet and not son (God Forbid),you also must believe in the message of Islaam, and Christianity is certainly not part of it only the original Gospel which does not exist today....Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the person who brought the message of Islaam, his words are not of his own but GODS words..

I would also kindly suggest you are more the name you are using here than your were 4 years ago approx (maybe i am not exact). Were you not then more true to your then profession of "faith"?

May Allah bless and guide you and yours in His truth as youse submit unto Him.[/QUOTE]

Anyway i dont know why you keep saying Allaah, since you dont believe what the message of the Quraan says....May Alaah guide you..Ameen

[Steven John]

AsSalum o Aliekum,
Dear Brother,
Please dont feel obligated to continue dialogue with me, but if Allah should be pleased we can share and gently warn and sharpen each other.
You have been laughing at what i said and i ask if we are to talk with kindness and respect that we are all seeking Allah, well sorry again i may have offended you, i will try i my post to best accommodate you in terms as your post refers me. Instead of saying Allah i will try to say G-d. Please if i dont please forgive me and help me gently in patience with our Brothers is pleasing to G-d.

i dont seek to be displeasing to you but seek as best i can to be pleasing as the prophets (pbut) were to our for fathers.

At times my language is good and some times not good, if you feel offence please clarify with me that we are of the same interpretation of the words offered.

There is only one Qur`aan which is the arabic, but the other Qur`aans you read are translations such as english, french, german etc.

Amen and i never said other than this. I am not natively Arabic read on and you will see i acknowledged this when i said "I yield to you if you hold the truth and are speaking it here."

The religion of Allaah is the truth and Christianity is not similar to Islaam! but rather the teachings of Jesus (pbuh) the real teaching in the Injeel were "distorted", the original message does not exist today ie the Injeel/Gospel.

You may have misunderstood me as you offer similar to what i said but may have a different meaning of the word Christianity i see (The Christian religion, founded on the life and teachings of Yeshua (pbwh).) You say similar meaning because i would say the original blessing of teachings offered were to be in the heart and are timeless (G-d is above time). If you put the Quran (G-ds truth) in your heart so it be covered in skin no fire will harm it. Fire burns, and goats can eat our paper and leaves. Allah always wants what is best for us. I have no authority as G-d has given to you authority in the messengers (pbut) but would urge you to pray what is ultimate "form' Allah wants the Quran to have. I do not say the Quran is not in your heart but am unsure of u as you were laughing at my seeking truth. G-ds truth is serious. I doubt the Prophets (pbut) would treat me like this. By your proffession are you to aspire to be like Mohamed (pbuh) to me?

Christian and a Muslim are different, because the Christian today believes to the Prophet Jesus as their lord, in Islaam that is not the belief.

depends on language i guess in english i have heard lord and master used interchangeably, at Jumuah prayer it is often offered "Our Master Mohamed (pbuh)"

the use of your terminology "the Christian" i would see as intended derogative, I dont know if you meant it this way. I see your use of the term to mean all Christians are the same. if so it that's maybe untruth.

Allah guides but i am easily mislead. Are you intending to help me in your post or are you out to try and get me. I said "I believe true Christianity is Islam (Allahs true religion). for my reading of the Quran". Does the Quran say all Christians are wrong or does it show some are right? if it says all Christians are wrong your words are rightly guided. If the Quran says right and wrong then my words are guided. If you say then is not like now we would have to see It as not being all timeless truth. The big question to ask would be how do you know no Christian today is as G-d intends.

Allaah is the "Creator" of Jesus (pbuh), if you believe in Allaah then you deny that Jesus is God

Please Brother be sincere and quote where i said "Jesus is God". Or are you showing the inspiration of your god. The G-d i seek knows the truth of my heart.

Lol people and there so called "high standard of words or vocabulary" , dont know what the heeck "yeild" means or what context your using it, But the Truth the brother or sister is speaking of is Islaam, the Religion of Allaah, the religion he bestowed upon mankind, and sent messengers and one of those blessed messengers were Jesus (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) Indeed...

yes indeed here again do you show your guidance in you laughing at me an making fun of me because i have poor English. Are you an image of how the prophets (pbut) helped people. Do you think the way you treat me will draw people to Islamic religion.
Definition of yeild "To give up (an advantage, for example) to another; concede"



i said

Originally Posted by Steven John
Your post even shows that Christianity was after Islamic religion as you state it is to substitute. My English is at times poor but my understanding of the word substitute is some thing to replace

You said

Okay the brother was giving glad tidings about how hes happy that people are reading the Qur`aan and how it affected them, as its his job to give dawah(Invite people to the Truth ie Islaam), lol again another word substitute :\..okay anyways..where does he state that its so called to be "Substitute"? maybe my english is bad anyway.. what you said here is totally off topic and have no idea what your saying

its the same for me on what you have written, I dont know how to say in better words, Allah knows best

If Islaam is the true religion, then why are you still a Christian?

its your words not mine but with respect you have not encouraged me to be of your faith.

Islaam was bringing back the message of all the prophets, due to their message being misunderstood and a failed, as people took them to be Gods, or whatever else

Then who or what inspired you to post so against me again i said

I believe true Christianity is Islam (Allahs true religion)...

Allah is not the giver of false religions.

Originally Posted by Steven John
You must have great knowledge of the Arabic language to see what i did not see..

You say

He never said he did , and the brother told us how the christians were interested in reading the Quraan, i dont see what the knowledge of arabic has to do with what you saw and what you didnt!

sorry to have lost you, read the post again, we discussed many things IE all Christains are wrong, Christianity was a substitute for Islam and so on. I have very poor Arabic and not born of that nation. Why would i not be quick to yeild to one who speaks for what is written in Arabic.

Yes Indeed God does not guide fools, he guides who he wills! Those who seek the truth themselves instead of just relying on their own thoughts and opinions about some certain information!...

Brother i feel our chat reveals guidance and "your truth" in your accusing me of associating partners with G-d.

Errr..err..ermm i disagree, Feeelings are what we humans are created with, if we didnt have them we would be a rock sitting on the ground moaning lol even thats impossible whatsoever..

. You are welcome to disagree but never said feelings were useless. Just ask your god which should i follow my feelings or the Quran? even your god may agree with my G-d.

But Allaah is our creator and he has given us the ability to cry, be happy etc..thats called being a Human!, yes terrible things can make people feel good such as , drinking alcohol it has bad effects of it towards and individual but it makes the person feel good whatsoever etc....lol

Go for it laugh away things for the benefit of each of us to serve Allah will, one day be seen serious to you, i pray for you Bro that that day is before the last day, this because i love you despite the way you treat me.

the line coloured in red is funny, so where did you hear that from?

sinners even encourage sinners to feel good about sin

again i encourage you not to laugh at my experience it is a sad thing i post. When sinners encourage others to sin they tell them fair seeming words like "have a drink god wants you to enjoy life". People against Allah seems to amuse you. If you are well read in the Quran share with us who in it takes pleasure in actions against G-d.

Your a christian right?

So you keep saying.

you believe that Jesus is God or son of God,

your words again, why are you out to accuse me of what i have not written?

then why are you saying Allaah will guide this brother as he guided you? lol wouldnt that make you both on the straight both or the same, why you saying Allaah

It would help me if you would stop laughing at me and help me by quoting me?

if you believe Allaah is your lord, then you must also believe Jesus is his Beloved prophet and not son (God Forbid),you also must believe in the message of Islaam,

It is you who questioned me me from saying Allah unless i misunderstood you.

and Christianity is certainly not part of it only the original Gospel which does not exist today.

i qualified well what i menat saying "true Christianity" with respect it you who is seeking difference. May G-d strengthen us both to seek and build His goodness in each other.

it is ...Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the person who brought the message of Islaam, his words are not of his own but GODS words..

it is different for me so i accept for you i am not Muslim. I see Abraham (pbuh) as Islamic (G-ds true religion)

Anyway i dont know why you keep saying Allaah, since you dont believe what the message of the Quraan says....

hope i have served you saying G-d, for the latter, again so you say.

May Alaah guide you..Ameen

To be guided by G-d is what i seek. May G-d bless you and yours for this and all of the wonderful encouragement you have offered me in you post. May he have mercy upon us both for all of our errors and miscommunication in out chat keeping safe our kin and kiff form any darkness we have supported.Dear Brother Muslim 12 my suggestion of your guidance being from a god and not Allah is hard, I have prayed and believe best i can discern (only Allah Knows) you are seeking Allah. But if you put lies to me as if they were in my mouth i can not and will not attribute them to Allah despite His call for me to serve you in kindness.

Dear Brother Wayward soul i pray Allah guides you to discern well from our posts Allahs truth and counsel of seking His guidance not ours. If you can please pray for us both that Allah forgive us for error and that it bring no harm to you and yours. May he bless you and yours in abundance for his love is infinite.

"I will be what I will be", you have free will so chose who you see.

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Steven John...i will reply to this post when i have time or whenever i want Indeed. but you sound very confused, what is your faith may i ask please? i did answer you with kindness, i was just laughing at a few words lol as they were quite funny and unusual to me..but if i did offend i apologise..just want to make sure what is your faith? and i still dont understand with what you have a problem with in Islaam..

[Steven John]

AsSalum o Aliekum Br Muslim 12,

Please dont bother with the post on my account. I have peace and while i see you as insulting me and my seeking Allah i need not from you G-d is my sustainer.
My faith is that G-d is one, he needs not from any one or anything. He does not have offspring as G-d is above such things. He is always all seeing all knowing. He likes for me to offer prayer to him in the early morning before the day begins, when the sun passes its higest point in the sky, when the shadows it makes are twice the length of the object, when the sun has set and after darkness before he gives me rest. He likes for me to spend my nights when not working in prayer to Him also. He blesses me in doing this and guides me not to the business of fools who make false hood. He blesses me with wisdom to help my brothers and all who profess to seek Him. He strengthens me to encourage goodness in all humans living in hope that they shall turn to Him. I could go on but faith in Allah who my understanding does not fully comprehend.
Brother i do accept your apology as Allah is most merciful to me so as i am to be to you. To be honest i still dont see how my seeking G-d is funny to you. You made mock of my using the word yeild and i looked up english dictionary but it agreed with my use no hummer mentioned.

and i still dont understand with what you have a problem with in Islaam..

better you quote my words where i said i have a problem best i can read you have the problem for me in Islam i will quote some of your words

Anyway i dont know why you keep saying Allaah, since you dont believe what the message of the Quraan says

You have also used my nationality against me quoting the Quran, but as explained i am not in a position to correct you on this as it is not for me to speak against you as a scholar of Quranic Arabic it is not my native language as you remind me in your quoting the Quran even though you offer in english.

If you are true to your words quote what i offer against Allah for you say

but you sound very confused

Bro i have quoted why to me you sound confused.

Maybe some other Brother here might quote and simply state my error rather than just stating i have it.

By His will may Allah bless and guide you and yours as youes submit unto Him

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

I already submit to him..do you?
And since you have said "Christianity is Islam (Allahs true religion)." from thereon i assumed that you was a christian...and i didnt insult you, all i did was laugh at a few words, not assuming you was dumb or anything, lets say it was kinda like a joke i guess you misunderstood, but i apologise again if it did offend you!
And i am already on the truth!

[Steven John]

I already submit to him..do you?

By His will may Allah bless and guide you and yours as youes submit unto Him

It was intended as kindness, nice for you that you never put a foot wrong.

In answer to your question, i do fall to sin (fall from my submission) at times and call on his forgiveness.

Brother our chat does not go very well, Allah (sorry G-d), He has no need for us to treat each other as we have.

My post was to Br Wayward Soul and you chimed in, I have done much typing to answer your challenges best i can.

Allah knows the intent and love for each other in our posts.

(no typed parting so as not to get you going)

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Christianity is not a substitute my friend. Just like you ear cannot replace
your mouth.

Everything is important in Gods world.

Your choice to go in the direction of Islam is blessed. It is the right way.

I ask myself, why do Christians and Jews not accept the way of the prophet.

I think that it is very important that as Muslims we would have the best knowledge in
the Bible, both New and Old Testament. This way we would be better equipped to explain ourselves.

Therefore, continue in your good way and don't leave back the lessons you have earned as a Christian.
Take the good things and leave the bad things behind (like in everything in life).

Blessings

[Ramadhan]

Christianity is not a substitute my friend. Just like you ear cannot replace
your mouth.

Coming from a muslim scholar (as you claim to be), this is very suspect.

Everything is important in Gods world.

this is meaningless. what do you mean?

I think that it is very important that as Muslims we would have the best knowledge in
the Bible, both New and Old Testament. This way we would be better equipped to explain ourselves.

Again, I SERIOUSLY suspect your claim as a muslim scholar.
I'm a layman muslim, and even I know that as muslim, we should have the best knowledge in the Qur'an, not the bible.

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

You should have the best of knowledge in Quran, Hadith, New and Old Testament so that you can clarify your stands as best as possible to non-Muslims.

This is my personal opinion and I think that it would prove very useful.

In fact, I can tell you that there has not been one person around the world, be him a Christian, a Jew or a scientist which I have spoken too and did not become from a person who is very confused about the Quran and Islam to a person who sees the truth of it and wishes to follow it.

Is this not a good thing?

We are commanded to make all the world into believers. Yet if we would not talk to them and come as people who have only abundance and richness to give them - will they ever listen?

We should come as rich, since this is what we are.

[Ramadhan]

You should have the best of knowledge in Quran, Hadith, New and Old Testament so that you can clarify your stands as best as possible to non-Muslims.

This is my personal opinion and I think that it would prove very useful.

In fact, I can tell you that there has not been one person around the world, be him a Christian, a Jew or a scientist which I have spoken too and did not become from a person who is very confused about the Quran and Islam to a person who sees the truth of it and wishes to follow it.

Is this not a good thing?

We are commanded to make all the world into believers. Yet if we would not talk to them and come as people who have only abundance and richness to give them - will they ever listen?

We should come as rich, since this is what we are.

I am awaiting for your posts with great knowledge in the Qur'an and hadith, because judging from your first few posts, you are no more than a defender of bible than a muslim scholar as you claim to be.

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

There is no contradiction between being a defender of the Bible to being a Muslim scholar.

I do not defend disbelief or idolatry nor do I say that religious traditions which violate Islam
are correct, hardly. So where is our disagreement?

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Anyway, I do not understand what you mean by defending the Bible. The Bible is just a text. A collection of letters. First tell me what these letters say and I will tell you what I think about it.

But for me it is just a bunch of letters at face value - and it would be much healthier if we would all see it like that it would save us all a lot of problems.

This is of course, contrary to the Quran, which has a message which is clear to all of us.

What I am trying to say is that if you would read the Bible you would see that not only is it not repulsive - it is actually plain meaningless.

[ayesha.ansari]

That is amazing. Congratulations you are doing good work. Yes Islam is a logical religion and Quran is a best book teaches us the way of life and ALLAH.