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    for the rule of Idghaam (merging), this is what i have read in my book.

    The rule of idghaam is applied only to noon saakinah (and tanween) when it occurs at the end of a word. If the following word begins with one of the letters of idghaam, assimilation (idghaam) will take place.

    But then further on it has: The quran contains four words in which noon saakinah occurs in the middle of a word and is folloed by waaw or yaa.

    قنوان
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    بنيان
    دنيا

    These do not follow the rule of idghaam rather the noon is proounce distinctly without ghunnah (i.e ithaar) wherver they appear.

    So, is it just me, or do the above 2 paragraphs contradict one another. if noon saakinah only appears at the end of a word, then what do the four above words have to do with idghaam?? According to my understanding, the noon saakinahs shouldn't be affected because they do not occur at the end of the word, they occur in the middle.



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    Re: need help with tajweed

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    format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11 View Post

    i have another question.
    well, its actually not for me, for my mum.
    she wants to know about the idghaam. we know that the letters of idghaam are يرملون and that the letters 'meem' and 'noon' are called idghaam bi ghunnah, and the letters 'laam' and 'raa' are idghaam naaqis/ bi ghayr ghunnah.

    She wants to know what the remaining letters (yaa and waaw) are classed as, because in diffeent books she has read different things. in one book she read that they are idghaam naaqis/bi ghunnah, but in another she read that they are not because they do not have the qualities of the meem and noon, which are 'original ghunnahs,' so therefore they cannot be classed as idghaam naaqis/bi ghunnah. if that qn makes no sense, let me know.

    For the letters waaw and yaa,it called idgham bighunnah naaqis(incomplete),as u said they do not have qualities of meem and noon.which is original ghunnah...then the idgham is incomplete.For meem and noon it called idgham bighunnah kamil.
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    Re: need help with tajweed


    can someone please explain to me what madd ul-tamkeen is?
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    Re: need help with tajweed

    format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11 View Post

    can someone please explain to me what madd ul-tamkeen is?

    madd tamkeen is when the two yaa (the last letter in hijaiyyah) and two waaw are next to each other. One is maddiyyah(madd letter) the other one is mutaharrikah.It is does not matter which one comes first. Example...nabiyyeen, huyyeetum..first yaa with kasrah second ya maddiyyah and for the waaw- yal woon(yaa lam waw waw noon), daa wood(prophet dawood), other example...aa manoo wa 'amiloos saalihaat- waaw on amanoo is madd tamkeen also...this name been given to make sure the madd two harakat is pronounced and to be careful for the reader for not making idgham or cancel the madd letter.Hope you understand inshaAllah.
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    Re: need help with tajweed


    but whats madd tabee3i than? isnt that the same thing?
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    madd tabie is natural madd with two counts, no more and no less depends on your speed of reading.So madd tamkeen in the group of madd tabie but it got it's own name- like mad silah sughra, mad iwadh, mad alifat as-sab'a,mad hayy Tahoor(all these madd in madd tabie).....same like in our family(everyone have same surname...but different first name).
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    Re: need help with tajweed

    format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Maysa View Post

    madd tamkeen is when the two yaa (the last letter in hijaiyyah) and two waaw are next to each other.
    so this only applpies to yaa and waaw, and no alif.
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    first of all...we must understand the madd tabie because it is the root, from madd tabie came the mad farie(branch).As we know the alif always sukun..never mutaharrik..it is the hamzah sit over the alif if fathah or dhammah and hamzah under alif if kasrah. So there is no two alif meeting...but there is two hamzahs meeting...called mad badal.
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    is it true that the vowel (i.e yaa, or waaw), has to be preceeded by a yaa with shaddah. eg: النبيين
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    Re: need help with tajweed

    From what i understand from ur question,No.
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    Re: need help with tajweed

    format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11 View Post

    is it true that the vowel (i.e yaa, or waaw), has to be preceeded by a yaa with shaddah. eg: النبيين

    from what I understand from your question, No..we just need to understand what is madd tamkeen is..the ya(letter mad) in nabiyyin called mad tamkeen..because before the ya maddiyyah is ya with kasrah.If there is shaddah after waw or ya maddiyyah then the mad letter is cancel because idgham rule is applied here...
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    Re: need help with tajweed


    If there is shaddah after waw or ya maddiyyah then the mad letter is cancel because idgham rule is applied here...
    ukhtee umm maysa, can u please post an example :sunny:
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    Re: need help with tajweed

    sister a internet site will not help that much if you go to a qari or a hafiz of some type they can read and teach you all the tajweed marks to read the quran the right way. Remember if you read quran fast it's probally not right you have to read slow and with tajweed so i think you should go to classes around your area.
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