Who is Dhul Qarnayn?

assalawalekum bro scimi , one thing is for sure dhulqarnayn a.s is not cyrus. i insist everybody to check out the video on dhulqarnayn a. s by muhammad shahid attari of daawat e islami. "god doesn't aid those , who don't realise the power of truth" . i was not allowed to post exact link of that page , it can be found on youtube though .

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

seen the video and am not convinced bro shadab. hes ignored many historical and judaic premises and totally ignored the information which refuted his opinion. that is hardly scholarly. his bias is boring to be really honest.

Scimi

assalawalekum bro scimi , yes I would say that it is not very convincing as it doesn't covered much of what we required. but nobody has done it previously too. I was just wondering the other day and this thought came to my mind, why did allah nowhere else mentioned dhulqarnayn a.s than in surat al kahf . kahf meaning cave , I assume . cave, ring any bell. take care brother .

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

the cave refers to the sleepers of the cave - the firdt story in the chapter... tell me you knew that already, else I really am wasting my time.

Scimi

assalawalekum bro scimi , yes I know the story of cave and his dwellers who were the best momeen of that time, since you brought this one , I am sure you know about the "details" allah provided us. they will say ,they were 3 or 5 , maybe 7, tell them my beloved prophet s.a.w. those things lie with allah alone . shaddad , that fool thought he will compete with allah by creating heaven on earth or atleast that's what he thought [perception]. has anybody seen it or part of it. yes , why , because allah wanted that specific individual to see it, all power lies with allah alone . have we discovered that place which allah describes in quran in sura al fajr ( city like no other ) ? . I don't believe you have wasted your time and I would love to get co ordinates of that place , where, that mammoth concave structure stands or was, since you have input so much of your time . allah and his last most beloved prophet mohammad s.a.w. knows best . keep working hard bro .

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

the cave refers to the sleepers of the cave - the firdt story in the chapter... tell me you knew that already, else I really am wasting my time.

Scimi

assalawalekum bro scimi , yes I know the story of cave and his dwellers who were the best momeen of that time, since you brought this one , I am sure you know about the "details" allah provided us. they will say ,they were 3 or 5 , maybe 7, tell them my beloved prophet s.a.w. those things lie with allah alone . shaddad , that fool thought he will compete with allah by creating heaven on earth or atleast that's what he thought [perception]. has anybody seen it or part of it. yes , why , because allah wanted that specific individual to see it, all power lies with allah alone . have we discovered that place which allah describes in quran in sura al fajr ( city like no other ) ? . I don't believe you have wasted your time and I would love to get co ordinates of that place , where, that mammoth concave structure stands or was, since you have input so much of your time . allah and his last most beloved prophet mohammad s.a.w. knows best . keep working hard bro .

assalawalekum bro scimi , what i meant was you try hard look for signs , asses every detail mentioned in quran and books of tafsir, it wont be revealed to us , unless allah wills it. yes , i have read your previous threads which i didnt find to be productive at all , as i have said it before . tell me, honestly , do you think you have reached the exact destination where dhul qarnayn a. s. met those people who were in dire need of protection from yajuj and majuj .

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

walakum salaam bro shadab,

in one word, YES... but that info is not in those threads - that info is something I am putting into a series. Some things are worth waiting for. Earlier in this thread, I posed a question.



This question, yields an answer which poses an even better question - one which proves where the barrier was most likely built... I have that information.

If you want it - answer that question correctly.

One thing I keep mentioning here is method. I follow a method of investigation. Studying historical information in a religious context requires a sympathetic methodology, and not one which solely relies on empirical proofs - the obvious reason for this bro shadab, is so we can place the information within the Quran as the foundation into our investigation.

I've heard many naysayers claim that the mystery about dhul qarnayn and ya'juj wa ma'juj are exactly that - mysteries which will remain unsolved until the end of time. With so many signs of the end appearing in our current time frame - I honestly think many people have failed to realise that the time they refer to - is actually the time period we currently inhabit. And so, with their view firmly held, they've locked off any ability to recognise that the plethora of information available from reliable sources outside of the Islamic scholarships are worthy of consideration and more - they are worthy of inclusion in our studies - things like geology, geography, etymology, cartography, people movements and migrations, ancient cultures and traditions, aryanism, sedentary and nomadic peoples, the dna record and the r1a1 gene, the seima turbino phenomenon, metallurgy, and a whole host of other complimentary studies which help us to better contextualise the information within the Quran.

And even our noble prophet Muhammad pbuh said:

‘Utlub il ‘ilma wa law fis-Sin.
The Prophet (s) said, “Seek knowledge even in China,”

And China, during the time of the Prophet pbuh, was not a Muslim nation - in fact it nevr was a majority Muslim nation - But many believe that knowledge should be completely confined to simply the Quran and the Sunnah... how they've managed to deceive themselves with that train of thought is beyond my ability to comprehend or even justify that statement.

Knowledge is knowledge, and one thing I've come to understand is that the more we acquire it, the more we find it's relativity to all that knowledge applies to.

I've taken the time to respond to you here simply because you've claimed you've read those threads yet posted that the information is unproductive... that made me smile, simply because you have not understood the information and what it portends to. Something similar happened in the elenin thread, I tried to warn people they were committing shirk - they didn't listen, in the end I made a video and then they listened, and repented. So I guess, I will have to make this series when i am ready, and that will probably do a better job of presenting my findings than any forum post ever can in sha Allah.

Allah knows best.

Scimi

assalawalekum bro scimi , first of all , i always want you to keep smiling brother. nothing is worth more than bringing smile on your fellow muslim brother. see, this, essence of life is what we have lack now for centuries. pride has blind us to such extent that we dont consider our muslim brother human being, let alone non muslim brother. knowledge with wisdom is the true source to the truth of any matter. i always respected the way you have shown respect to your fellow forum user by replying to each and every thread directed to you. that alone dignifies your character . and yes i am aware about that hadith of rasulaallah s.a.w. about travelling to china for gaining knowledge, which defines the intellect and intelligence of these people. the, only thing i want to mention is we gotta think out of the box about some matters mentioned in quran, which is available not only for momeen, but also for mushrikeen , who have use quran not only to benefit from it , but also to criticise on matters which science haven't evolved yet to process it. mysticism is one of those essence which mushrikeen from the initial days have rejected or made joke about . see all these brings us to ruh (soul) which is the most vital of all ,for life to remain valid everywhere on the universe . that is why allah has mentioned in quran ruh is something which allah alone have knowledge about it. that has shut the gutters of all those mushriks and munafiqeen ,once and for all. it proves that one must have a soul, living only for the will of allah as shown and done by rasulaallah s.a.w. sahaba ridhwanallahu ajmain and awliya of muslim ummah, to understand certain things, which, allah has kept hidden for some purpose . I ,as always, eagerly waiting to get acquainted with your series pertaining to the subject in hand. i dont exactly remember the sura in which allah tells us, "soon we will show them signs in the farthest corners of the universe". you remember the video you have posted about king tubba of yemen may allah be pleased with him , see that video and tell me what you have notice in that video . for just a second or less than a sec , cameraman shifts his focus on the wali ullah sitting beside the speaker . what is so special about showing a glimpse of an awliyah , well it is related to our subject , we know about it, we can see it and feel it, but in true sense we don't exactly understand what is it. hidden in plain sight . see this so called science nerds have aterm for this phenomenon, "aurora" and after a quite awhile , i would say . i, do believe that we may be living in the end times .if not us, than our generation might witness the things , that world was completely stranger to .

Albazar narrated from Yousf the son of Marrium that he said, while he was setting with Abu Bakara — a man came and gave salam then said, “Do you know me?” then Abu Bakara said, “Who are you?” The man then said, “Do you know that story of the man that came to the prophet and said that he saw the dam.” Abu Bakara then said, “Is that you?” The man then said, “Yes.” Abu Bakra said, “Sit with us and tell us your story.” The man then said, “I went to a land where the people only had steel — steel was their only profession. Then I went into a shack and laid down on my back and lifted my legs against the wall. At sunset, I heard a noise. The noise was like no other noise I have ever heard and it was extremely frightening. The owner of the house I was in said, “Don’t be afraid. That’s the noise of the people who finished their work at the dam for the day, do you want to see it?” So I said, yes. Then he took me to the dam. I saw the dam and it was bricks on top of each other made of steel. Each brick is sturdy as a rock and had a redish color. The nails in the dam were the size of tree branches. So when I came back to the prophet and told him my story. The prophet asked me to describe it to him. After I described the dam, the prophet said whomever would be pleased to see a man that actually saw the dam, to look at him.” Abu Bakara then said, “that man is truthful.”

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

assalaam alaikum bro shadab,

there is a pretext to this story you mention which you have not included here - i ask why you didn't do that?



the pretext is that the man saw the barrier in a dream, and not in reality.

Did you know that?

Scimi

assalawalekum bro scimi , dream or no dream , i was curious about the steel city that was mentioned above, people who were expert in steel making . have you been able to narrow it down ?

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

Yes. Theres no steel city lol... rather, ramparts reimforced with iron... in beijing. if u want that infp, you will find it in the thread I linked you.... are u sure you have read it? Its all there.

Scimi

assalawalekum bro scimi ..... my god u got a tongue for Chinese food, tell me is that your favourite cuisine. lol''''

format_quote Originally Posted by shadab

assalawalekum bro scimi , what i meant was you try hard look for signs , asses every detail mentioned in quran and books of tafsir, it wont be revealed to us , unless allah wills it. yes , i have read your previous threads which i didnt find to be productive at all , as i have said it before . tell me, honestly , do you think you have reached the exact destination where dhul qarnayn a. s. met those people who were in dire need of protection from yajuj and majuj .

I know this is between you Br Shadab and Scimitar so pardon for interruption.

I think you are wrong in assessment,judgement about a learning journey cannot be made by merely reading the articles and maps shared on an internet thread.We(me and Scimi) know each other for a long time and whenever he happens to find an item giving his research new dimensions,he ask me to check things out.But you know,like you,I don't find it "productive and valuable".How can I?

Then there was a time,when I took things a little bit far from whats already there.Being there,Experiencing it,had me all of it figured out.

To cut a long story short,I was in search of a location and only to find it,I didn't only studied geology but also etymology,logical thinking and many others.After it,I was able to understand one thing clearly,Unless one don't put his/her own sweat and blood to an effort,you can never ever truly appreciate it.

No offense intended.