Why Islam alow to have sex with the slave without marry ?

format_quote Originally Posted by nature

If its lawful then fine, but if you were a woman i think your views would be totally different. to me there seems no logic behind it ? doesnt make sense ? I guess as muslims we'll never really understand/ accept everything. I cant with something like this.

I do not believe this has anything to do with being a man or women. I used to be against this when I was agnostic but after doing some research, I learnt to accept it. I suspect some of us are using modern concepts as a standard to judge what happened 1400 years ago. It is best to view these events as independent.

The logic behind it was that it was not seen as practicable to abolish slavery all at once. Same with alcohol. Some practices were banned through a step by step process.

Have you read Salahudeen's post and the linked provided by Qatada?

format_quote Originally Posted by Qatada

http://idawah.com/refutations/slaves.html#_umwalad

format_quote Originally Posted by Maryan0

What is the point of marriage if you can have relations outside of it? and are the type of situations that allowed for slaves of war in the past relevant today?

format_quote Originally Posted by Maryan0

I understand that there is a difference between the wife and the concubine in regards to rights. I just don't understand why men are allowed four wives+concubines too.
Salam

I've explained in that article that a nation who faces war, their women will go through either of these 3 circumstances;

1 - Imprisonment - because her people were at war with the Victor. (she will most likely be raped in prison, and this happens even in the modern world. [search Abu Ghraib prison if in doubt.])

2 - Exhile - because the defeated peoples property has all been taken by the enemy. (so she will have to run to another land, where she will probably also face harm and probably rape. And she will not have a male provider. [if in doubt - study the effects of the Iraq war on Muslim women. (many have had to become prostitutes because their men have been killed).])

3 - Being a Concubine - this is the best solution. She has a Believing male provider, she has similar rights to a wife. She learns about Islam from the Muslims. She soon earns her freedom [see Um al Walad]. And her husband may even; teach her, free her and marry her (since that is recommended in the Qur'an and Ahadith [see surah Nur 24:32)

And marry the unmarried among you and the righteous among your male slaves and female slaves. If they should be poor, Allah will enrich them from His bounty, and Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing. [Nur 24:32]

We see that 4 wives maximum will not give protection to all women whose people face defeat in war. Rather, there needs to be no limit in order for these women to have one Provider who fulfills her rights.

This is why - the Ameer [Leader] will distribute the women (keeping in mind their status before they were caught - so a noble woman will be given to a noble man i.e. Safiyyah bint Huyayy was given to Allah's Messenger because she was of a noble lineage). So that the woman has one guardian who can lookafter her and give her her rights (with food, clothing, shelter, and intimate rights etc.)

This is the fairest and purest Practical solution.


Allah knows best.

format_quote Originally Posted by hopeonallah

Thank you for respond me . my dear friend " ZUZUBU ".

Then Afghan women are not slave for Americans , because Afgan war was not a right war according to you . But according to Americans its a right war . Who will decide which war is right or wrong ? For the sake of argument if I consider all war is the right war ; even tho " how people can think to make some one slave ? Slave means, you have to follow or obey your master commandment like a God's order ; No mater how much your master kind on you . Slave means Slave only . How come people can think to make a defeat person or any one to slave ; who has heart , mind , soul ? here I would like to tell you that most of the soldiers and general citizens are innocent , they just follow their country order . Then How come Islam permit make a slave ? moreover master can have sex with slave without marry , whereas Islam talk a lot about adultery .
Don't you think its a disgusting .
If its Islam then I have to think about it .........

Dear Hopeonallah, my Afghanistan people fight against a group of outlaws and not the country or town. It would be the same as taking the wife of a theif as slave. Taliban is not part of the slavery thing. Besides, the war is fought against kuffars and not muslims (most of the time).

A slave MUST SIGN A DEAL BEFORE sexual intercourse, and if it is signed, then it is not adultery, as the woman has a child she is free, and sometimes they get married. The prophet (saw) himself married women. Remmember that the old arabs used to be slave traders. Remmember the stories of Ibn-E-Battuta how he some years ago explained how the deserts were filled with big caravans of slaves gettnig traded.

Jazakallah khair, please ask if any misconceptions. It is a hard topic to "agree" with, without enough knowledge.

format_quote Originally Posted by Bedouin

Wa alaykum salam,

When a man would have been given a slavegirl by the state, it wouldn't have been seen as a marriage.

By definition, she would have been a slave, so she would have had no say in whether she is handed out by the state (same for men slaves) or not.

I don’t understand. How is that any way acceptable? Forcing someone to have a relationship and having no say in it? Slave or otherwise

sweet, you can't force someone to have a adult relation, but you can force them to be under your command or prisoners.

format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada -

I've explained in that article that a nation who faces war, their women will go through either of these 3 circumstances;

1 - Imprisonment - because her people were at war with the Victor. (she will most likely be raped in prison, and this happens even in the modern world. [search Abu Ghraib prison if in doubt.])

2 - Exhile - because the defeated peoples property has all been taken by the enemy. (so she will have to run to another land, where she will probably also face harm and probably rape. And she will not have a male provider. [if in doubt - study the effects of the Iraq war on Muslim women. (many have had to become prostitutes because their men have been killed).])

3 - Being a Concubine - this is the best solution. She has a Believing male provider, she has similar rights to a wife. She learns about Islam from the Muslims. She soon earns her freedom [see Um al Walad]. And her husband may even; teach her, free her and marry her (since that is recommended in the Qur'an and Ahadith [see surah Nur 24:32)

And marry the unmarried among you and the righteous among your male slaves and female slaves. If they should be poor, Allah will enrich them from His bounty, and Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing. [Nur 24:32]

We see that 4 wives maximum will not give protection to all women whose people face defeat in war. Rather, there needs to be no limit in order for these women to have one Provider who fulfills her rights.

This is why - the Ameer [Leader] will distribute the women (keeping in mind their status before they were caught - so a noble woman will be given to a noble man i.e. Safiyyah bint Huyayy was given to Allah's Messenger because she was of a noble lineage). So that the woman has one guardian who can lookafter her and give her her rights (with food, clothing, shelter, and intimate rights etc.)

This is the fairest and purest Practical solution.


Allah knows best.

Jazakhallhu Khayr for the reply. I understand the wisdom behind taking a slave women/prisoner of war in to the household because it is along the lines of the ayah on polygamy which was revealed after battle of Uhud because many widows needed protection and this is relevant today because you see many women in war zones turning to prostitution in order to survive. I just don't understand the point of the limitation put on how many wives a man can have if they can relations outside of marriage. The point of marriage is to have in a halal way. If the women are entitled to some of the rights a wife would have and their children are entitled to all the rights of normal children why not just marry them from the get go?
Like Nature said this is something I will never understand. but Allah does know best.
Salam

I don't wish to pass a fatwa but my understanding is that, this was applicable in a period where slavery was still very much a part of society.. Islam came to abolish slavery gradually and as such I don't believe that this is applicable.. and under both circumstances you're not to force them or subjugate them as was common practice in many societies ..

format_quote Originally Posted by 3rddec

When Christ was asked why the ancient jews were allowed to have wives and concubines he made clear what he thought; a man should only have one wife; divorce was only permissable for adultry and even to look at a woman lustfully was sinful. He explained that the reason the ancient jews were allowed to do as they did was because the were to ignorant to be able to understand fully the perfect order of marraige to one woman. I wonder did Mohammed have the same problem and has the Muslim world developed more spiritual insight and believe in one man and one woman for life.

Love and Respect

Really? Now let's see where the idea of prostitution of slaves comes from:

First of all, the slave is his master's property. The master can do anything with him:

Let us look at Exodus 21:7-8 "And in case a man should sell his daughter as a slave girl, she will not go out in the way that the slave men go out. If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master so that he doesn't designate her as a concubine but causes her to be redeemed, he will not be entitled to sell her to a foreign people in his treacherously dealing with her."

When I looked up the word "concubine" in www.dictionary.com, I found:

1- Law. A woman who cohabits with a man.
2- In certain societies, such as imperial China, a woman contracted to a man as a secondary wife, often having few legal rights and low social status.

(http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/di...term=concubine)

And when I looked up the word "cohabits", I found:

1- To live together as spouses.
2- To live together in a sexual relationship when not legally married.

(http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=cohabits)

So in the Bible, the FATHER HAS THE RIGHT TO SELL HIS DAUGHTER TO BE FORCED TO SLEEP WITH OTHER MEN according to Exodus 21:7-8, and if she tries to be redeemed (to be set free), then her punishment is to be STUCK WITH HER MASTER!

In the Noble Quran, in Noble Verse 24:33 above, we clearly saw that the slave has the right to request his freedom and be granted his/her freedom and be given money on top of it so he/she can stand on their feet.

More on concubines in the bible:

"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 21:20-21)"

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

Islam's attitude toward slaves is to eventually free them. This is opposite from the bible that orders its followers to inherit slaves:

Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."

I'd like to see the Christians explain to us what they HONESTLY feel about "and can make them slaves for life" in their bible?

If you want i can also give you quotes from the Bible stating slaves being worthless and lower than animals having no rights and as we saw above according to the Bible they can be made slaves for life.

The Bible in both the Old Testament and the New Testament doesn't recognize slaves as human beings. The Bible also in both the Old and the New Testaments encourages slavery and enslaving people. It doesn't encourage nor command Christians to fight for others' rights and to liberate them from slavery. Instead, the Bible repeatedly talks about slaves as worthless sub humans and animals who must not gain their freedom unless they convert to Christianity.

The first call to prayer at the Quba mosque built by Prophet Muhammad was given in 622 by Bilal -- a black slave freed by the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam).

The Supreme Court of the United States declared in 1857 that the slave Dred Scott (black slave) could not sue for his freedom because he was not a person, but property.

Bilal (RA) who was a former slave will be of the first people to enter Paradise:

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported Rasulallah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: "I was shown Paradise and I saw the wife of Abu Talha (i. e. Umm Sulaim) and I heard the noise of steps before me and, lo, it was that of Bilal". (Muslim, Book 31: 6012)

Islam honoured slaves 1400 years ago when not long ago slaves in the west were still treated worst than animals.

Annemarie Schimmel, Islam: An Introduction

Slavery was not abolished by the Koran, but believers are constantly admonished to treat their slaves well. In case of illness a slave has to be looked after and well cared for. To manumit [free] a slave is highly meritorious; the slave can ransom himself by paying some of the money he has earned while conducting his own business. Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war can become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim; therefore slavery is theoretically doomed to disappear with the expansion of Islam. The entire history of Islam proves that slaves could occupy any office, and many former military slaves, usually recruited from among the Central Asian Turks, became military leaders and often even rulers as in eastern Iran, India (the Slave Dynasty of Delhi), and medieval Egypt (the Mamluks). Eunuchs too served in important capacities, not only as the guardians of the women's quarters, but also in high administrative and military positions. -- p. 67

Source: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...D=675&CATE=115

To answer this question, it should first be remarked that Islam has tolerated slavery but has never approved of it, and that all its teachings and prescriptions in this regard lead to its alleviation as far as possible in the short term, and, in the longer term, conduce to its progressive suppression. To abolish it would have been impossible in a world in which it was generally practiced by all the states which bordered on the new Muslim empire, and in which the idea of challenging the principle itself had not occurred to anyone. It was the custom to enslave prisoners of war -- when these were not simply massacred -- and the Islamic state would have put itself at a grave disadvantage vis-a-vis its enemies had it not reciprocated to some extent. By guaranteeing them humane treatment, and various possibilities of subsequently releasing themselves, it ensured that a good number of combatants in the opposing armies preferred captivity at the hands of Muslims to death on the field of battle.

It should be very clearly underlined that the slavery once practiced in the Muslim world cannot be compared to the form it had assumed -- for instance -- in the Roman Empire. Islamic legislation subjected slave owners to a set of precise obligations, first among which was the slave's right to life, for, according to a hadith, 'Whoever kills his slave shall be killed by us'. In consequence, the murder of a slave was punished like that of a free man.

There are many other hadiths which define Islam's true attitude in this regard. The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: 'Your slaves are your brethren; therefore whoever has a brother who depends upon him must feed and clothe him in the way he feeds and clothes himself; and should not impose upon him tasks which exceed his capacity; should you ask them to do such things, then you are obliged to help them.' The Sharia takes this injunction, among many others, into account when defining the responsibilities and duties of slaveholders.

There is another teaching which enjoins respect for the human dignity of slaves: 'Let none of you say, "This man, or this woman, is my slave". He must rather say: "This is my man, and this my woman."' Putting into relief the provisional character of social ties and the authority exercised by slave owners over their slaves, the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: 'It is true that God has made you their masters, but, had He so wished, He could equally well have made you their slaves.'

To manumit a slave has always been regarded as one of the most meritorious of all acts, and many passages of the Qur'an recommend or even require it, particularly as a means of expiation for serious faults. Traditional legislation lays down the methods of voluntary liberation of slaves by their masters (itq), and there were very many Muslims who observed these, especially at the end of their lives, so as not to die and appear before God without having given full freedom to the human beings placed in their power during their earthly lives.

Additionally, slaves had the ability to enfranchise themselves at their own initiative, without waiting passively for the goodwill of their masters: the procedure known as mukataba allowed them to buy their own freedom with sums which they saved from their work, and which the state frequently augmented with advances -- a measure which the slave owner had no right to oppose. In contrast to the situation under Roman law, slaves were not deprived of the legal ability to exercise their rights and to appeal to a judge against their masters in all cases of illegal treatment.

Besides domestic slavery, which was generally imbued with a patriarchal character, there also existed a form of military slavery, which was frequently employed by princes in need of recruits, especially for their personal guards. This situation had the effect of conferring an often considerable influence and power on men of servile condition or origin, and some of these became the founders of great and illustrious dynasties such as the Tulunids and Mamlukes of Egypt.

The object of a prosperous commercial sector, which under the Abbasid Empire was often the specialty of non-Muslims, particularly Byzantine and Venetian Christians, and Jews, slavery gradually declined in importance until, at the beginning of the present century, it was confined to a few survivals which have now disappeared entirely. Thanks to the strict traditional controls which have always regulated the practice, it would be difficult to deny that social conditions were remarkably humane during the great periods of Muslim civilization, and that these, moreover, were in conformity with the 'egalitarian' spirit of Islam, which, in a hadith, teaches that 'the blackest of Abyssinians' is superior to most noble of Qurai****es, if he has more faith. -- p. 104 - 107

Roger Du Pasquier, Unveiling Islam

Source: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...D=675&CATE=115

Sayyid Sa'eed Akhtar Rizvi, Slavery From Islamic and Christian Perspectives:

Among all the religions it was only Islam that attacked the very foundations of this evil. --
-- preface

Sylviane A. Diouf, Servants of Allah: African Muslims Enslaved in the Americas

Author asserts that Islam was the first revealed religion followed by African slaves, and describes their struggle in upholding Islamic practices.

Why does the Quran Allow Slavery? Here is the answer. In Islam if a master has sex with his slave, then when the slave girl is pregnant, she and her child is automatically freed after the masters death. But that’s not the only way a slave can get freedom, infact if a slave request his/her freedom, she or he can get it!

Noble Verse 24:33 "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),"

As we can clearly see, Islam says that if a slave request freedom, he/she can get it, including some money, in order for the slave to get a good jump start in life.

Beside this, the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) also ordered for slaves to not be forced into having sexual intercourse:

"Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)" (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"

Also read how the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) used to free slaves:

Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of North America and Director of the Islamic Society of Orange County, Garden Grove, California. He states the following:

"The author claims that “the Bible condemns slavery” and “one who practices slavery contradicts right teachings.” In order to prove his point he even adds “the slave traders” in 1Timothy 1:10. There is no such word there in the Revised Standard Version.

Actually in the whole Bible this word does not exist. The author also makes false allegation against Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by saying that he used to buy, sell, hire, and rent slaves.

Slavery existed throughout the Biblical period including the time of Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him). Most of the Biblical prophets had slaves, both males and females. Perhaps the author of this flyer did not read his own New Testament. Otherwise he would have found there the following advice to slaves: “Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed.” (1 Timothy 6:1) and “Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory…” (Titus 2:9)

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) did not own slaves. He had many slaves purchased and freed. The author quotes Muslim scholar Ibn Al-Qayyim who said about the Prophet, “His purchases of slaves were more then he sold.” This is correct because he used to purchase slaves in order to free them, not to sell them. However, the author of the pamphlet mistranslates Ibn Al-Qayyim when he says, “The Prophet used to rent out and hiring many slaves, but he hired more slaves then he rented out.” The author has mischievously added the words “many slaves” and “more slaves” in the text.

Ibn Al-Qayyim is not talking here about the sale, purchase, renting, and hiring of slaves, but about general business practices of the Prophet before he received the Prophethood. Actually, he is saying that “the Prophet himself was hired before he became the Prophet to take care of some sheep and he was hired by Khadijah to do business for her.” (see Zad Al-Ma’ad, vol. 1, p. 154)

The Qur’an teaches that freeing the salves is a great virtue (See Surah 90:13). One of the expenditures of zakah (obligatory charity) is to spend the money for the freedom of the slaves (surah 9:60).

It is forbidden in Islam to enslave a free person. If Muslims had consistently followed the Islamic teachings in this regard, slavery would have become extinct a long time ago. It is unfortunate that some Muslims did not follow these teachings of Islam and slavery continued in Muslim lands for centuries. We are ashamed that some Muslims practiced slavery against the teachings of Islam. However, it is also a historical fact that for centuries the worst type of slavery in its most extensive and horrible form was practiced by those who claimed themselves to be the followers of Christ. They enslaved millions of free men, women, and children and shipped them like animals from one continent to another. They made millions in profit by this most shameful trade of human beings.

I wish to remind the author of this flyer what Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.” (Matthew 7:3-5)"

(Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503547546)



So let’s see the points made:

1) Slaves can NOT be forced into having sexual intercourse with

2) Slaves ARE automatically free after the masters death if they bare a child from the master

3) Slaves CAN ask to be freed, and become free , including they will get an amount of money to jump start in life.

So Islam destroyed the social illness called slavery, if you look at the proof open-mindedly.

The Status of Slave Women in Islam

When Islam was reveled to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), slavery was a worldwide common social phenomenon; it was much older than Islam. Slavery was deeply rooted in every society to the extent that it was impossible to imagine a civilized society without slaves.

In spite of this social fact, Islam was the first religion to recognize slavery as a social illness that needed to be addressed. Since slavery was deeply rooted in the society, Islam did not abolish it at once. Rather, Islam treated slavery in the same manner it treated other social illnesses. Islam followed the same methodology of gradual elimination in dealing with this social disease as it did with other social illnesses, for example: the prohibition of alcohol in three steps.

Concerning having slave women, we would like to let you know that it happens to be a practice necessitated by the condition in which early Muslims found themselves vis-à-vis non-Muslims, as both parties engaged in wars. Slave women or milk al-yameen are referred to in the Qur'an as “Those whom your right hand possess” or “ma malakat aymanukum”; they are those taken as captives during conquests and subsequently became slaves, or those who were descendants of slaves.

Thus, it was a war custom in the past to take men and women as captives and then turn them into slaves. Islam did not initiate it, rather, it was something in practice long ago before the advent of Islam. And when Islam came, it tried to eradicate this practice, bit by bit. So it first restricted it to the reciprocal practice of war, in the sense that Muslims took war captives just as the enemies did with Muslims.

But as it aimed at putting an end to such issue, Islam laid down rules which would eventually lead to eradicating the practice. So it allowed Muslims to have intercourse with slave women taken as captives of just and legitimate wars. In so doing, the woman would automatically become free if she got pregnant. What's more, her child would also become free.

Not only that, Islam also ordered a Muslim to treat the slave woman in every respect as if she were his wife. She should be well fed, clothed and given due protection. In the family environment, she had the opportunity to learn about Islam and was free to accept it or reject it. She also had the opportunity to earn her freedom for she could be ransomed.

In the light of the above-mentioned facts, and the nature of the question posed by people, it's clear that some people misunderstand the wisdom behind the permissibility of having female slaves and think that it is meant to unleash men’s desires and give them more enjoyment. Never! That is not the point! It is, rather, means of freeing slaves; and this is clarified above in the fact that if a master got a female slave pregnant, then he could neither sell her nor give her away as a present. And if he died, she would not be considered part of his property. She'd receive her freedom and her baby would also be free.

But, we have to stress that this case should not be confused with that of female servants or maids, for they are free and not slaves. Therefore, it is forbidden to engage in sexual relations with them except through an Islamic marriage.

Slavery has been abolished by international conventions, and goes in line with aims and objectives of Islam, as it has called for centuries ago.

As for marrying slaves, it is something permissible under two conditions: first, if one is unable to pay the dowry of a free woman. Second, if there is fear of committing adultery if one doesn’t get married. This is clarified by the following verse: “And whose is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you.” (An-Nisaa’: 25)

This verse shows that Muslim men should abstain from illicit relations and seek enjoyment through marriage to free women or through their female slaves.

In conclusion, Allah has forbidden certain types of behavior and permitted other kinds of behavior as a safeguard to the individual and to the society. Allah has forbidden fornication and adultery. However, in the case of captives whom your right hands posses, it's something necessitated by the special circumstances which were created when the Muslims were at war.”


(Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503544596)

Therefore it is clear that Islam gradually destroyed the social illness called slavery, just like it did with alcohol.

And Allah knows best in all matters