Sunni - Shi'a unity

format_quote Originally Posted by abz2000

The UAE government worrying about Shia is laughable, the prophet pbuh would have slaughtered Erik prince if he stepped foot in madina, the only thing that could have saved him is Shahadah,
The UAE government give him a multi-billion dollar contract to train mercenaries, I'm looking at his situation From a strategic sense, and ignoring the doctrinal disputes ( which is a lot better than the UAE ignoring those who killed millions of Muslims, abused the prophet pbuh and consider him an impostor, used he Quran as toilet paper, and much more), rather the UAE government is seeking the help of those people against iran.
That is true diseased hearts.

It is not laughable, Iran has already in occupation of 3 UAE Islands for more than 30 years. Massacres of sunni community in Syria is another. For the fears they are to blame. And for "contract to train mercenaries", yea thats was wrong and a mistake, but it is over anyway. It didn't work out.

format_quote Originally Posted by abz2000

the prophet pbuh would have slaughtered Erik prince if he stepped foot in madina

Don't really know, most likely not. Non-muslims stepped and stayed in his mosque he was very hospitable with them; a Jewish lady used to throw trash on him on his way to home, but when she was sick he visited her.

the jewish lady was a personal issue and only harmed him, not the believers or the deen - he usually forgave personal issues.

Twelver Shiaa consider Abu bakir, Ummar and Uthman( Radiya Allahu 3nhum) are kufar.
They consider everyone who doesn’t believe in their imamah (the 12 imams ) as a kafir.

They believe that their Mahdi (the imam number 12) after he appears he will resurrect our mother Aysha(Radiya Allahu 3nha) and will carry out the zina 7ad on her, while it’s clearly stated in the Quran that Allah exculpates her.
and another shii scholar says that Abu bakir and Ummar will be crucified.

Shiaa are even different from us in their Salat and Wudu (ablution).
And even some shiaa scholars believe the Quran was distorted!!!

We are not talking about differences between Shafi'I or Hanbali madhabs; in which "the difference between these schools of thought manifest in minor practical differences, as most Sunni Muslims consider them all fundamentally the same".
"They don't differ on matters of belief ".

However, we are talking about Shiaa, which is something different it's like new creeds! Shiaa innovated in big issues.

I think, if we could unite with shiaa then we would be able to unite with kufar!!!
what is the difference between the muslims and the kufar: tenet.
what is the difference between Sunni and Shiaa: tenet too.

I seriously can't understand what unity you are talking about.
How can we ignore such differences!!!!!!

let say we can ignore (however i strognly believe we can't); do you think Iran/Shiaa muslims care about other muslims country?
do you really believe Iran care about Palestine !!!
MY ANSWER: NO, AND HISTORY SPEAKS HERE.

salaam

sunni and shia share many fundmental beliefs - In the Quran, in the prophets, in the angels, and in ahlbayet - Both are muslims - its history that splits us apart. Not all shia are the same as well.

On Iran are you serious - Iran is the only country to have the courage to stick up for palestine - non of the other arab/non arab have.

peace

format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran

salaam

sunni and shia share many fundmental beliefs - In the Quran, in the prophets, in the angels, and in ahlbayet - Both are muslims - its history that splits us apart. Not all shia are the same as well.

On Iran are you serious - Iran is the only country to have the courage to stick up for palestine - non of the other arab/non arab have.

peace

w3lekum Assalam

In their words and speeches yeah they sound they are with the Palestinians, this is what they are trying to spread to the world! but the reality is way different.

do you know according to some shiaa they believe that Masjid Al-Aqsa was ascended, in other words the current masjid is not masjid Al-Aqsa.
do you know their scholars believe the Palestinians martyrs are not matryrs ! just the shiaa muslims are matryrs according to them.
I've watched a video recently about shiaa and heard how they curse the Palestinians, they even cursed Sheikh Ahmad Yasin.
THEY SIMPLY HATE US.


just a note: do you know who fought against the Palestinians refugees in Lebanon ? the shiaa Amal movement. and NasruAllah was a memeber in it.


Regarding that because 'sunni and shiaa share many fundamental beliefs so they are both muslims'
I have nothing more to say regarding this issue. I posted articles in the first and second page.(in this thread) if you have time you could read them.


P.S I'm a Palestinian.

format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran

On Iran are you serious - Iran is the only country to have the courage to stick up for palestine - non of the other arab/non arab have.

And they are sticking it to other muslims too:

There are various types of persecution practiced against Sunnis, the most continuous and severe of which is the one arising from the theory upon which the Iranian political system is based. Those who do not believe in the Guardianship of the Jurist theory are not allowed to assume any political or governmental position or to be part of the intellectual elite in Iran.
And since the Guardianship of the Jurist theory is a product Shiite thought, it is unlikely that any Sunni embraces it. As a result, since the Islamic Revolution, there has been an obstacle in the way of the integration of the Sunni minority in the Iranian society.
Such political persecution is stated explicitly in the constitution of the Islamic Republic, which states that the president must be a Shiite Iranian who believes in the Guardianship of the Jurist theory. Consequently, throughout the past 30 years, Iran has witnessed neither a Sunni candidate running for president, nor a single Sunni minister. Moreover, no Sunni has been appointed as a governor of any of the governorates with Sunni majorities.
Thus, the persecution of Sunnis in Iran has been associated with the articles of the constitution.
The persecution of the Sunni minority in Iran can be found at the heart of Shiite rituals; Sunnis are weekly humiliated during what is known as Shiite prayers that are recited in collective rituals. These prayers contain curses of both contemporary and ancient Sunnis. Such explicit expression of hatred has put the Sunni minority in Iran in an inferior status.
Sunnis constitute around 20 percent of Iran’s 70 million residents, and they belong to different ethnic groups, such as Kurds, Balushis, Turkemans, Arabs, and Talishis.
Iran’s Sunni minority has faced systematic oppression; its leaders, such Ahmed Mufti Zadeh and Sheikh Ali Dahwary, were jailed and assassinated. Also, the authorities have demolished a number of Sunni mosques as a form of collective punishment.
Sunni religious schools do not receive an official recognition, local TV stations in governorates with Sunni majorities are forced to air Shiite missionary programs, and Sunni azan (call for prayer) is not allowed to be made.

http://khalid622.blogspot.com/2009/0...n-and-who.html

format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran

salaam

sunni and shia share many fundmental beliefs - In the Quran, in the prophets, in the angels, and in ahlbayet - Both are muslims - its history that splits us apart. Not all shia are the same as well.

On Iran are you serious - Iran is the only country to have the courage to stick up for palestine - non of the other arab/non arab have.

peace

Turkey has also stepped up. Saddam for all his faults also did. I admire Ahmadinjad for his strong rhetoric against western propaganda but that's about it.
To add to that Ahmadinjad hasnt had much to say to the massacre going in Syria by Al Assad neither does Nasrallah who had so much to say about the Shia's under sunni rule in Bahrain which is fair enough since they are Shia's and will look out for their own interests like any other group...
Salam

format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran

On Iran are you serious - Iran is the only country to have the courage to stick up for palestine - non of the other arab/non arab have.

Asslamu Aliakum

Iran supports the Palestinians because it does not have many allies in the region and to distract its own people from the country's domestic problems like unemployment.

There are some basic things that the shias need to change in themselves. nobody is perfect and even in sunnis there are those who do grave mistakes like asking duas from graves etc which amounts to shirk. Only Allah can help a person in a supernatural way. for example, it isn't shirk to ask a person (face to face) to help you with something but if the person is all the way on the other side of the earth or if he is dead and you are calling out to him, then that is shirk and will not be forgiven unless you repent and mend your ways. We say in Surah Al-Fatiha, iyaka na'abodo wa iyaka nastaeen (we worship You (oh Allah) and We seek Your help) so we can't ask anyone else to help us in supernatural way.

One thing that the shias have done is making additions to the adhan (Azan). they have added that Ali (R) is the friend of Allah, etc. but if you analyze the rest of the Adhan you will see that everything in it has been stated in the Quran, that is, proven by the Quran. the statements "There is no God but Allah," "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah" are in the Quran. but nowhere in the Quran does it say that Ali (R) is the friend of Allah, etc. Also, the other statements are part of faith so those who don't believe that Allah is the only one God is a kafir and those who believe that the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is a messenger of Allah is also a kafir, however not believing that Ali (R) is the friend of Allah doesn't make a person kafir so statements about Ali have no place in the Azan or shahada. those who believe otherwise should present where in the Quran these statements have been proven. where does it say in the Quran that Ali is the friend of Allah or that belief in this is a part of faith. nowhere.

another thing is the bad things that the shais say about the sahaba especially Aisha and Abu Bakr and Umar (R) (May Allah be pleased with them). It is wrong to say anything bad about the companions of the Prophet (SAW). Furthermore, Aisha was the mother of the believers and part of ahl bait. The shias claim that ahl bait includes Ali because the masculine pronoun was used for ahl bait in the Quran. they use this to include Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Hussain in the Ahl Bait and take out the wives of the Prophet (SAW). however this is wrong because the ahl-bait includes the wives of the Prophet (SAW) mainly. in a place in the Quran the word ahl-bait is used for the wife of Ibrahim AS. And to my knowledge the reason the masculine pronoun was used for ahl-bait was because the word ahl is masculine.

the muslim cities were falling one by one and the only thing you saw when you walked into the mosques in andalus on friday was the imams talking about fiqhi issues which had nothing to do with the situation.

sometimes - even sworn enemies mutually agree to band together to defend themselves and settle their own disputes later.

amazing..............................

People who deviate on fix principle of sharia will definately will be punished in aakhirah insha allah, people who changes kalima and distort other islamic ehkaam are very dangerous and leading to hellfire. As a humanity we are supposed to show affections to everyone but there can never be real peace with them and allah knows best

salaam

Salaam

These are replies to many posts

On Turkey - It used to be a close ally of Isreal - only recently has it changed its tone and thats not because of the palestinains but because its own citizens were killed during the convey. Also Erdogans got courage.
On Syria - its unfair picking on Iran - what about Egypt, saudi arabia (the strongest salafi ally of the US and has also called the sucide bombings by palestinians wrong) pakistan, Jordon, indonesia etc etc etc. Iran is doing far more then all the rest.

Furthermore Iran is one of the most isolated countries in the mid east because of its anti US stance - non of the other muslim majorty countries are as isolated as Iran - If Iran calls out against syria its closest ally it will be even more Isolated.

format_quote Originally Posted by YaAqsa

A lot of these recent posts are the antithesis of Unity.

Please be more careful in our speech inshallah. There is a lot of propaganda going around so just saying random things is made up usually and not true in reality.

we are not making up things and we are not saying random things. so please be more careful in your speech in sha' Allah.

format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran

Salaam

These are replies to many posts

On Turkey - It used to be a close ally of Isreal - only recently has it changed its tone and thats not because of the palestinains but because its own citizens were killed during the convey. Also Erdogans got courage.
On Syria - its unfair picking on Iran - what about Egypt, saudi arabia (the strongest salafi ally of the US and has also called the sucide bombings by palestinians wrong) pakistan, Jordon, indonesia etc etc etc. Iran is doing far more then all the rest.

Furthermore Iran is one of the most isolated countries in the mid east because of its anti US stance - non of the other muslim majorty countries are as isolated as Iran - If Iran calls out against syria its closest ally it will be even more Isolated.

Ohhh, so Erdogan is not courage but Ahmadinejad is? At least under Erdogan both shia and sunni can have their mosques, azan; and they are not getting cursed or massacred. I'll take a man who respects basic rights any day over a two-faced loud mouth.

format_quote Originally Posted by Maryan0

Well in that case it's all politics right and all groups are just looking out for their own interests?
Iran is mentioned because without Iran Shia's would not even be the sizeable minority that they are and I doubt we would even be talking unity if not for Iran and it's population. There are other Shia populations but not as large as Iran.
Salam

Salaam

They are a majority in Bahrain, they are a minority in saudi arabia, 1/3 of pakistan, easily half of Iraq and all of azerbajian - so they are a sizeable minority in the muslim world.

peace