Who knows Cheikh Imran Hosein ?

Salahudeen, don't use that kind of comparison. He's talking about the Dajjal, not the weather. I suppose you would be ok if someone said i was gunna become a millionaire in 2011. Don't think so! This is a topic related to Islaam, not the weather!

format_quote Originally Posted by Samiun

sister, I have no intention whatsoever to hurt other people's feelings. But if someone try to call him a soothsayer, I won't hold anything back. We must be extra careful when talking about the ulamas. Perhaps the internet is not the right place for discussing this issue, try talking to the people who know really well about the deen such as Islamic teachers..

And what in the world did that have to do with me? Huh? No tell me. Did I call him a soothsayer? Don't direct this comment at me. If you have a problem with my view (seeing as I insulted no one nor was I rude) then I can't help you!

format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos

lol what??? Just cuz the name sounds fancy "salafiyyah," it does not mean it is the most authentic form of Islam. I personally have found the Salafi cult to be arrogant and narrow-minded. I do not associate with them anymore. I am still in search of the Islamic group that follows Muhammad pbuh in its entirety, have not found one yet. Till then I think I'd stick to Hanbali fiqh.

Don't get cocky with me. You disagree with it, then that's your decision. Dont go calling it a cult because it didn't make sense to you. Wearing the label of a salafi doesn't make you one, but through your actions. I agree with it, deal with it. Don't take out your inner hatred of Salafiyyah on me, keep it to yourself.

format_quote Originally Posted by MustafaMc

Sister, he clearly said this in reference to me and me alone. He merely quoted you because you said this disagreement between me and others on this issue is ridiculous.

I'm addressing him over his post i just quoted, talking about soothsayer. What did that have to do with my post he quoted? That's what I was asking. Please go back and read it brother...

format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven

Salahudeen, don't use that kind of comparison. He's talking about the Dajjal, not the weather. I suppose you would be ok if someone said i was gunna become a millionaire in 2011. Don't think so! This is a topic related to Islaam, not the weather!

Why shouldn't I use that comparison :s you said predictions were wrong, I showed you predictions that happen every day in our lifes, so are those predictions wrong? the comparison of the weather was to show that predictions are made in every day life cos you said that you thought predictions were wrong, so just to clarify you believe only predictions related to Islam are wrong? If someone predicts that you're going to become a millionaire in 2011 what is the problem with that as long as they don't claim knowledge of the unseen and say their prediction is a guess based upon your career or what you're studying

A prediction is a prediction wether its related to the weather or Islam I don't see the difference, i.e my friend says "I predict day of judgement will occur in my son's lifetime, of course I don't know, only Allah knows but I'm just guessing because of x y z" what is wrong with this? I don't get it.

I predict this guy in my class who is genius and is developing a project that big companies are approaching him over will become millionaire whats wrong with this :s

^^ no I didn't misunderstand at all. He quoted me in the same post he quoted you where I said that it seems like he's still supporting Sufism and that hewas giving mixed signals. And then he said no one is forcing me to believe it etc...the way he said wasnt nice. Then he explain he jus doesn't like that people r calling imran hossein a soothsayer. So IM ASKING, what does that have to do with ME. Had nothing to do with what I'm addressing. Go back and read it...please...

format_quote Originally Posted by Salahudeen

Why shouldn't I use that comparison :s you said predictions were wrong, I showed you predictions that happen every day in our lifes, so are those predictions wrong? the comparison of the weather was to show that predictions are made in every day life cos you said that you thought predictions were wrong, so just to clarify you believe only predictions related to Islam are wrong? If someone predicts that you're going to become a millionaire in 2011 what is the problem with that as long as they don't claim knowledge of the unseen and say their prediction is a guess based upon your career or what you're studying

A prediction is a prediction wether its related to the weather or Islam I don't see the difference, i.e my friend says "I predict day of judgement will occur in my son's lifetime, of course I don't know, only Allah knows but I'm just guessing because of x y z" what is wrong with this? I don't get it.

I predict this guy in my class who is genius and is developing a project that big companies are approaching him over will become millionaire whats wrong with this :s

Those things are TRIVIAL, Allaah and the Prophet don't talk about it. Setting a DATE on something when you havent the slightest clue, is ok? How can you know at what date something will happen? You don't, you can only guess.

format_quote Originally Posted by MustafaMc

I challenge to to prove that I am wrong in the comments that I have made. Singing the praises of some sheikh and screaming bloody-murder that I have insulted him because I dare to speak from my knowledge of what he unequivocally said about stoning/100 lashes and my opinion about one who foretells the future as a soothsayer is a red herring to mislead away from the valid points I have raised.

Weather forecasters base their predictions on present weather conditions and what has followed similar conditions in the past. When there are dark clouds in the sky, it is pretty safe to say, "It will rain within an hour." People predict which team will win based either upon wishful thinking about their favorite team or by an analysis of strengths and weaknesses of the teams with the later most definitely being more accurate. Doctors predict when a cancerous patient will die based on the degree of spread in their body and how long other people lived after reaching that stage. One can analyze the current national deficit and debt load as well as economic trends to predict an imminent collapse or other major change.

Similarly, one can look at the fulfillment of prophecies by Prophet Muhammad (saaws) about signs of the Last Day to know that we are ever marching closer to it, but no one IMHO is able to foretell details about the ghaib unless he has contact with the jinn or unless he has insight into a particular hadith that he can reference. I have no problem with someone pointing to the Burj Khalifa and referencing the Jibrael hadith, "When the shepherds of lambs compete in constructing tall buildings that is one of its signs [and it, the Hour, is] among five [things] which none know but Allah' to show that we are getting closer to the Hour. However, I have a problem with someone pulling predictions about the Unseen out of thin air without referencing a specific hadith and him saying, "It is my opinion that this hadith is pointing to ....".

I agree, but the fact remains that all the above scenarios you mentioned are in fact predictions, they may be more reliable predictions because they're based upon stuff, but that doesn't change the underlying fact that they remain predictions until they've occurred, then they become fact. So what I don't understand is, is it haraam to say in Islam that I think this and this will happen in the future because of this etc for example, if I say "I think my first child will be a boy because that's the trend in our family" is this wrong to say cos its a prediction confusing

format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven

Those things are TRIVIAL, Allaah and the Prophet don't talk about it. Setting a DATE on something when you have the slightest clue is ok? How can you know at what date something will happen? You don't, you can only guess.

I'm aware they're trivial ukhti but you're missing the underlying point, they're predictions and you said predictions were wrong, Why isn't it ok if you clarify that you're just guessing and it's not for certain because only Allah knows, oh, exactly my point, it's all guessing, no one is claiming knowledge of the unseen, cos only Allah knows that.

So what's wrong with it then, is guessing haraam I guess you're going to reply to this post, I don't know for sure, but I'm predicting that you are

^^ I was obviously unclear, I was referring to the topic at hand >.> it seems I stink at explaining. I'm just gonna drop out of this thread (not cause of you) but cause some people are too air tight.

format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven

^^ I was obviously unclear, I was referring to the topic at hand >.> it seems I stink at explaining. I'm just gonna drop out of this thread (not cause of you) but cause some people are too air tight.

I know sis, so am I referring to the topic at hand, is guessing haraam in Islam? are we not allowed to guess when we think events will happen? For example if a person says "I think the day of judgement is in next 20 years sometime because so many of the signs have come to pass and we're near the major signs but of course I could be wrong only Allah knows the time of the hour", is this wrong because it's a prediction/guess

^^ It doesn't make sense to give a date on something that only Allaah has knowledge of and then say only Allaah knows when Qiyamah will come. You can't have both...by saying "knowledge of the hour is with Allaah alone" and then also say "I think it'll be in 20 years". That's a contradiction. if you know and believe that only Allaah is knower of the Unseen, how can u bother then trying to give a timespan. A lot of the signs took place even by the time of RasulAllaah sallallaahu alayhi wasallam, to them it felt like a lot already occurred but there's a huge gap from that time and now...

format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven

^^ It doesn't make sense to give a date on something that only Allaah has knowledge of and then say only Allaah knows when Qiyamah will come. You can't have both...by saying "knowledge of the hour is with Allaah alone" and then also say "I think it'll be in 20 years". That's a contradiction. if you know and believe that only Allaah is knower of the Unseen, how can u bother then trying to give a timespan. A lot of the signs took place even by the time of RasulAllaah sallallaahu alayhi wasallam, to them it felt like a lot already occurred but there's a huge gap from that time and now...

But is it wrong/haraam/forbideen to do this? How is it a contradiction? let me give you an example, I ask my friend when he's getting married, he says I've kept the date a secret only I know, I say "hmm I guess/predict you're gonna get married on this date but only you know the date but I think it will be this date" how is that a contradiction? It doesn't invalidate the statement that only he knows.

If I were to say "you're getting married on this date definitely I know you are", then it would be a contradiction. Some people like to give time spans for some reason, my self personally I think its pointless. But I'm not going to shoot other people for saying what they think the future holds. Unless they begin claiming knowledge of the unseen, but if they want to speculate I'm not gonna shoot them.

Just the other day my friend said to me "I think imam mahdi will appear soon there's so much oppression going on to the Muslims" we both agreed that Allah only knows but we speculated on the feasibility and likelihood of imam mahdi appearing within our life time.

It's pointless cos only Allah knows agreed, but whats wrong with it

There's a difference between saying "soon" and "20 years". You gave yourself the answer. It's normal to feel likeit's soon, due to all this oppression but it's different if your standing at that podium giving a lecture and saying such and such will happen in this much time or at this date...

And there's a kind of prediction that you see done by a lot of Hindus...by saying so and so will die on this day or so and so will get married on this day. And there are people even amongst Muslims who say stuff like if you wear this color or do this, he/she will have this success on this day. It's common sense, you don't need to be a genius to realize when some things are unnecessary. Not every issue is the same...

Some "predictions" are mere speculations, just as you did with your friend. But then there are people who make it their life long job and are adamant about the prediction they give. Quite frankly, trying to figure out when something will happen is a waste of time. Us knowing these signs, layed out for us in Islaam is so we prepare ourselves for Qiyamah and time in the grave, not so we sit and obsess over setting dates for an event. You tell me, which is more fruitful..