The Athar was narrated by Bujaalah(or bajaalah :X) ibnu 3ubaid 3an Umar : Kataba Umar an naqtull kullu saahirin wa saahirah, faqatalnaa thalaathata sawaahir.. Umar wrote/oredered us to kill every Magician, and we killed three..(BUKHARI)
and Like you mentioned I think there was a similar one narrated by Hafsah Radiyallaahu 3anhaa, and Jundub radiyallaahu 3anhu too..
I've got a Lil question:
So apart from these Aathaar, can I have a daleel in the Qur'aan that makes it permissable for Us to Kill the Saahir/Magician!
the Aayah can be "3aam"
And also hadith :"The punishment for magician is a swordcut in the neck". (At Tirmidhy)
But in Quran? Is it Al Maeedah: 72 ??? "." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help."
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Woe unto the repudiators on that day!
And also hadith :"The punishment for magician is a swordcut in the neck". (At Tirmidhy)
But in Quran? Is it Al Maeedah: 72 ??? "." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help."
As salaamu alaykum,
JazaakAllahu Khayr Al-Jazaa for the Input of Information & Notes Akhee
I'd just Like to Add something I came across in our notes;
-The Hadeeth you Quoted Hadeeth "Jundub Ibnu Abdillaah" :Hadd As-Saahir Darbatun Bis-Sayf".. "The Punishment of the magician is one blow of the sword to the neck!"Is actually "Dhaeef" : it's Defect is: that the Hadeeth was never reported "marfuu3" it's an Athar from the words of Jundub,
And secondly: in it's Sanad/chain of Narrators is: Ismael ibnu Muslim Al-Makkiy ,Imaam Al-Haafidh Classified him as Dhaeef in his book "Fath Al-Baariy"..
And Thirdly: in it's Sanad is the "3an3anah" of Al-Hasan Al-Basriy..
Shiekh Al-Albaaniy also classified this hadeeth as weak in his book: "Dhaeef Al-Jaami3"..
Wallaahu Ta3aalaa A3laa Wa a3lam!!
-The Ayaah you quoted isn't actually the one I was looking for BarakAllahu Feek, Good try though Akhee!!
So back to my question it is:
So apart from these Aathaar, can I have a daleel in the Qur'aan that makes it permissable for Us to Kill the Saahir/Magician!
the Aayah can be "3aam"
Okay I'l answer my own question InshaAllah, so we can carry on with revising the book!!
can I have a daleel in the Qur'aan that makes it permissable for Us to Kill the Saahir/Magician!?
In Qawluhuu Ta3aalaa Inaamaa Jazaa'ullatheena Yuhaaribuunal-Laaha Wa Rasuulahuu Wa Yas3awna fil Ardhi Fasaadaa, An Yuqattaluu Aw Yusallabuu Aw Tuqdda3a Aydiiyhim Wa Arjulihim min Khilafn Aw Yunfaw minal Ardh...
"The Punishment for those who wage war with Allah and His Messsenger and cause Mischief is Execution Or Crucifixion or The Cutting Off of Hands and Feet from Oppposite Sides, Or Exile from the Land..
Okay I'l answer my own question InshaAllah, so we can carry on with revising the book!!
In Qawluhuu Ta3aalaa Inaamaa Jazaa'ullatheena Yuhaaribuunal-Laaha Wa Rasuulahuu Wa Yas3awna fil Ardhi Fasaadaa, An Yuqattaluu Aw Yusallabuu Aw Tuqdda3a Aydiiyhim Wa Arjulihim min Khilafn Aw Yunfaw minal Ardh...
"The Punishment for those who wage war with Allah and His Messsenger and cause Mischief is Execution Or Crucifixion or The Cutting Off of Hands and Feet from Oppposite Sides, Or Exile from the Land..
You know when you said it was in suratul maaidah..that was the first ayah that came to my mind...But i looked at it...and thought...and wasnt sure if i was right...so i didnt post.
silly me. i could have gotten points. next time i wont hesitate kay:
You know when you said it was in suratul maaidah..that was the first ayah that came to my mind...But i looked at it...and thought...and wasnt sure if i was right...so i didnt post.
silly me. i could have gotten points. next time i wont hesitate kay:
sooh whats the next question?
As Salaamu Alaykum,
Lol Nawal!!.. La Ba's Ukhtee Next time InshaAllah
I Dunno who's turn it is to ask, but the next Chapter in the book is:
"Baab Tahreem Ityaan Al-Kuhhaan Wal-3arraafeen" So it's the Adillah on this topic that needs to be given InshaAllah, they're all Ahaadeeth!!
*Mawaddah's gonna come running in at the sight of an easy question ,
lets just sit and way for her to burst in!! -J/K!!*
oh: My My!! Is this a coincidence!! It's an easy peasy question again
You people are so nice
And Princess, Hush, because it really is a coincidence that I decided to step in now :anger:
Forbiddance of approaching the Kuhhaan and 'Arraafeen
From Aishah peace be upon her she said: Some people questioned Rasulullah on the Kuhhaan so he said to them " Verily they are nothing(of importance)" So the people said " Ya Rasulullah , verily they tell us sometimes about some things and it comes true " So Rasulullah said " That is a Word of truth which was taken bya Jinn and he repeats it into the ear of his partner and they mix up with it more than 100 lies "Bukhaari
From Mu'aawiyah bin al Hakam as-Sulami he said: I said : O Rasulullah, verily I have only recently left Jaahilyyah and Allah has brought Al Islaam, and verily there are from us some men who approach the Kuhhaan" So Rasulullah said " Do not approach the Kuhhaan "
Mu'aawiyah said : I said : O Rasulullah, and there are some men from us who beleive in Omens " Rasulullah said " That is something which they find in their hearts, so they should not let it stop them from doing what they were doing"Muslim
From some of the wives of Rasulullah, That Rasulullah said " Whosoever approaches an 'Arraaf and asked him concerning a matter, His salaat will not be accepted for 40 nights "Muslim
Ooookay, anyone else want to do the rest? I'm feeling really bad right now.......not exactly my regular self
JazaakAllahu Khayr Al-Jazaa for the Input of Information & Notes Akhee
I'd just Like to Add something I came across in our notes;
-The Hadeeth you Quoted Hadeeth "Jundub Ibnu Abdillaah" :Hadd As-Saahir Darbatun Bis-Sayf".. "The Punishment of the magician is one blow of the sword to the neck!"Is actually "Dhaeef" : it's Defect is: that the Hadeeth was never reported "marfuu3" it's an Athar from the words of Jundub,
And secondly: in it's Sanad/chain of Narrators is: Ismael ibnu Muslim Al-Makkiy ,Imaam Al-Haafidh Classified him as Dhaeef in his book "Fath Al-Baariy"..
And Thirdly: in it's Sanad is the "3an3anah" of Al-Hasan Al-Basriy..
Shiekh Al-Albaaniy also classified this hadeeth as weak in his book: "Dhaeef Al-Jaami3"..
Wallaahu Ta3aalaa A3laa Wa a3lam!!
-The Ayaah you quoted isn't actually the one I was looking for BarakAllahu Feek, Good try though Akhee!!
So back to my question it is:
*Hint-Hint* It's also in Surat Al-Maa'edah!!
Mm...really? At Tirmidhy said its hadith marfu' but sheikh Uthaymeen said its hadith mauquf, Allahu a'lam. But the point is they must killed...tu ajee (means thats all).
Cauze in another hadith said about this. Just like in sahih bukhari tta Umar bin Khattab ordered "kill all kahin, men or women" And Bajalah bin Abadah said "then we killed three kahin" (takhreej by Syafi'i, Ahmad, Abu Dawud,Al Baihaqy and Ibn Hazm)
Guys..does anyone of you know Umm Luqman,Umm Muqbil, or Umm Ishaq? Cause theyre the translator of Yemenish shuyukhs books. I just thought theyre graduated from Yemen too Allahu A'lam.
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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Woe unto the repudiators on that day!
Mm...really? At Tirmidhy said its hadith marfu' but sheikh Uthaymeen said its hadith mauquf, Allahu a'lam. But the point is they must killed...tu ajee (means thats all).
Cauze in another hadith said about this. Just like in sahih bukhari tta Umar bin Khattab ordered "kill all kahin, men or women" And Bajalah bin Abadah said "then we killed three kahin" (takhreej by Syafi'i, Ahmad, Abu Dawud,Al Baihaqy and Ibn Hazm)
Guys..does anyone of you know Umm Luqman,Umm Muqbil, or Umm Ishaq? Cause theyre the translator of Yemenish shuyukhs books. I just thought theyre graduated from Yemen too Allahu A'lam.
As Salaamu Alaykum,
The more saheeh qawl is the one of Shikeh Uthaymeen rahimahullah wallahu a3lam that it's "Mawquuf"
I know of an Indonesian Umm Ishaaq yeah.. but she's still in Yemen not Indonesia!
Umm Luqman and Umm Muqbil I don't think I know of them, are they at the Campus?
What is a Kaahin? The authors definition: A "kaahin" is a person who tells people of the unknown and things that havent yet to happen, Also they tell people of hidden things.
From lajnah addaa'imah: The "Kaahin" is the person that claims that he knows the unseen, or knows what is unkown, And this is most often in looking at the stars to know the future, or getting stolen news from the shayaateen and jinn.....
The Arraaf: He is a person who informs people of evil places, or stealings, or other evil things that have happened and people dont know of.
Proof of the Prohibiton of Wearing Amulets Lucky Charms ?
Hadeeth Ruwayfi' radhiya Allahu anhu when the prophet alayhi salaatu wasalaam said to him: O ruwaiyfa' perhaps you will live long after me (death) then tell the people that whoever ties his beard or ties (watar) string or purifies himself with the droppings or bones of cattle, then verily Muhammed (alayhi salatu wassalaam) is free of him.
sahahu Albanee rahimahu Allah.
Hadeeth Ibn mas'oud radhiya Allah anhu that the prophet salalhu alayhi wassalam said, verily arruqaa-charms and tamaaim-amulets and tiwalah- (love potions?) are shirk,
hassanahu sh.Muqbil in Jaami' saheeh
Hadeeth 'Uqbah bin 'Amir aljuhani radhiya Allahu anhu that a group of men came to the prophet alayhi salaatu wassalam, the messenger made pledge with 9 of them and held onto the hand of one pf them, the companions said O messenger of Allah you made a pledge with 9 of them and you left one of them, the prophet alayhi salaatu wassalam replied verily he is wearing an amulet, then he entered his hand and cut off the amulet, then the prophet alayhi salatu wassalam took the pledge from him, and said, verily whoever wears an amulet has associated partners with Allah.
sahahu seikhaa Albani and Muqbil rahimahuma Allah
Insha Allah next one 'adillah la ya3lamul ghayba illa laah' None knows the unseen except Allah.
Assalamu'alaikum My Wonderful fellow Qawl al-Mufeed Revisors
I love you all
I'm full of fondness this evening
Masha'allah I dont know, have I gone insane?
But it's no problem
So the Ayat of the Mafaateeh al-Ghayb. In surah Luqmaan " Innallaha 3indahu 3ilam as-saa3ah, Wa yunazzilul ghayth, wa ya3lamu maa fil ar7aami wa maa tadree nafsun maa dhaa taksibu ghadan wa maa tadree nafsun bi ayyi ardhin tamuut innallaha 3aleemun khabeer"
Which means :
" Verily with Allah alone is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily Allah is All knower , All Aware"
Okay Ma3assalamah my fellow muraaji3-ers :thankyou:
lol maw Allah ya7fadhik....a7abaki Allah aladhee a7babtina feeh
ya Amirah u don't translate the ayaat no more?
i'll carry on with the adillah from the sunnah,
Hadeeth Abee hurayrah radhiya Allahu anhu that the prophet alayhi salaatu wassalaam said: five that none other than Allah knows...then he recited the ayaah "wa 'indahu mafaatih...alaayah"
Bukhari and Muslim
and hadeeth Abdillah bin Umar radhiya Allah anhu that the prophet alayhi salatu wassalam said, the keys of the unseen are 5, none othe than Allah knows them no one knows what will happen tommorow, and no one knows what is in the wolmb other than Allah, and no soul knows what she will earn tommorow, and no soul knows which land she will die in, except Allah and no one knows when the rain will come other than Allah and no one knows when the hour will be except Allah.
Bukhari
and ahdeeth Rubayyi' bint mu'awidh bin 'afraa (bi ma3na), that the prophet salahu alayhi wassalam visited her and there was 2 young girls playing with the duff and mourning the death of their fathers on the day of badar, when one of the same....and amongst us was a prophet who knew what will be tommorow...the prophet said, no, don't say that but say what you were sayinng before.
Bukhari
if this baab is done the next question is 'wojoub atawakkul 'ala Allahi wa'dah'
The obligation of having trust in Allah alone
wassalaam
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Assalamu'alaikum My Wonderful fellow Qawl al-Mufeed Revisors
I love you all
I'm full of fondness this evening
Masha'allah I dont know, have I gone insane?
But it's no problem
So the Ayat of the Mafaateeh al-Ghayb. In surah Luqmaan " Innallaha 3indahu 3ilam as-saa3ah, Wa yunazzilul ghayth, wa ya3lamu maa fil ar7aami wa maa tadree nafsun maa dhaa taksibu ghadan wa maa tadree nafsun bi ayyi ardhin tamuut innallaha 3aleemun khabeer"
Which means :
" Verily with Allah alone is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily Allah is All knower , All Aware"
Okay Ma3assalamah my fellow muraaji3-ers :thankyou:
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Is it Al Maeedah: 72 ??? "." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help."
*Hint-Hint* It's also in Surat Al-Maa'edah!! 
next time i wont hesitate 
kay: 
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