Insha'allah in this thread we will be revising the book :
Al-Mandhoomatul Bayqooniyyah along with the explanation of it which is At-Ta'leeqaat al-Athariyyah Ala Al-Mandhoomatul Bayqooniyyah.
You can listen to it's explanation by Ibn Uthaimeen rahimahullah here
I didnt know if this is just quotes from the 'book' so I didnt respond but it seems to be a free for all.
Isnad or Sanad is linguistically something that props something up, within our discussion it is the chain of narration part of the hadith which informs those who took part in it's narration.
A comment on the Isnad, Ibn Sireen who died in 110 tells us that people did not used to ask who narrated such and such until the fitnah, the fitnah being reffered to is disputed but of course it would have to be a fitnah before his death. So we know that after that fitnah then people demanded to know, but this does not tell us that before the fitnah people didnt ask or people didnt name the narrators, but rather, that before the fitnah it was not as necccesary but after the people really started the early task of testing the chain of narration.
Hadith, linguisiticall is news or something new information, it is meanly used to refer to the Prophet's speech or actions or tacid approvals.
I do not know the isnads mainly cos the english writers do not write them!! Argh!!
Masha'allah Akhi! that was a really accurate explanation of the meaning of Isnad and Hadeeth.
This thread is about Mustalah, but we are following the book which is like considered to be the 'beginners guide' to Mustalah, so there will be referrals to particular sentences etc. in the Book, but insha'allah even those who dont have it can participate Since all mustalah terms are the same.
So...
Since we are going to be analyzing the book Verse by Verse of this Poem, I will post up the verses which we have already studied:
The ones in Red are the Ones being Questioned right now.
Sis Silver Pearl already gave the Definition of the meaning of one who is Dhaabit masha'allah as :One with an excellent memory who recalls things with great accuracy.
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So now the Question is :
How many types of 'Dhaabit' are there? And the explanation of them please.
How many types of 'Dhaabit' are there? And the explanation of them please.
Ad-dhabt - linguistically means securing, and here it means strentgh in memorization, being precise and detailed being aware and havin good undertandin of the matters and also protectin what was written 9by a narrator) from the moment he heard it and carried it forth until the time of of puberty.
There are two types of Adh-dhabt:
-Dhabt Kitaab..
- & Dhabt Sadr.
Dhabt as-Sadr (precision/preservance of the chest) is when the narrator memorises and portects whatever he hears and he can bring it forth whenever he wills.
and Dhabtul-Kitaab is to protect the book his narrations in his book from the time he wrote until he passes it on, and not to pas it on to someone who will not protect it or distort it in any way,
it is also possible for this person to change somethings around.
Hope i have'nt missed anythin out InshaAllah...
Next question people , based on this part of the poem:
و الحسن المعروف طرقا و غدت **** رجاله ﻻ كالصحيح اشتهرت
Hasan Is that who's chain of transmission are repute ..
Though it's narrators are not as renowned as thos of the saheeh
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Q: What is the correct defintion of a hadeeth that is Hasan, give me one example (of a hadeeth that's hasan) and state the reason as to why it is so!!
Q: What is the correct defintion of a hadeeth that is Hasan, give me one example (of a hadeeth that's hasan) and state the reason as to why it is so!!
Allah Ma'akum!
btw: nice to see so many participants MashaAllah.
Naam, linguistically hasan means good, or in Indo its name of my neighbour . And then Ibn Hajar said that hadith hasan actually fullfills the condition of hadith sahih except that the precision of one or more of its rawi just lesser standard. It is the same as for sahih but its just below hadith sahih in strength. (Is it correct?)
Next question: "What is the definition of hadith hasan li dhaatihi and li ghairihi?
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Woe unto the repudiators on that day!
Ups.....the example???.......Mmmmm...I dont remember But its the hadith that harokah hizbut tahrir denied for aqidah ajee laah Maybe sis Nawal can give one or ten examples insha Allah
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Woe unto the repudiators on that day!
Q: What is the correct defintion of a hadeeth that is Hasan, give me one example (of a hadeeth that's hasan) and state the reason as to why it is so!!
Hasan means good, beautiful in terms of it linquistically.
Ad-Dahabi stated the following as to what hasan hadeeth is: " A hassan is a hadith which excels daif but, nevertheless, does not reach the standard of sahih hadeeth.” But it is agreed on that in order for a hadeeth to be classed as hasan it must not have any irregularities.
Malik, Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi and al-Hakim reported “A single rider is a devil (disobedient), two riders are two devils, but three makes a travelling party.”
The reason this hadeeth is considered hasan is because its isnad falls short for a saheeh hadeeth and thus can not be classified to the level of saheeh whilst it is above daeef.
Wa allahu'3llim
Last edited by Silver Pearl; 02-14-2007 at 01:43 PM.
Hasan means good, beautiful in terms of it linquistically.
Ad-Dahabi stated the following as to what hasan hadeeth is: " A hassan is a hadith which excels daif but, nevertheless, does not reach the standard of sahih hadeeth.” But it is agreed on that in order for a hadeeth to be classed as hasan it must not have any irregularities.
Yes, that's the definition of a Hasan Hadeeth, in Al-Bayqooniyyah there is another definition and it is :
A Hadeeth whose chain of narration is joined by the narration of one who is 'Adl but of a lesser level of Dhabt (precision)from one like him, and it (the chain) is without irregularites and faults.
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[FONT=Arial] Malik, Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi and al-Hakim reported “A single rider is a devil (disobedient), two riders are two devils, but three makes a travelling party.”
The reason this hadeeth is considered hasan is because its isnad falls short for a saheeh hadeeth and thus can not be classified to the level of saheeh whilst it is above daeef.
Wa allahu'3llim
Another example of a Hasan Hadeeth is the Hadeeth of Abu Hurairah, He said that Rasulullah said : "Increase in the saying of Laa Ilaaha Illallah before something comes between you and (saying) it, and do Talqeen with it to those of you who are close to death"
The reason why the Isnaad of this hadeeth is Hasan is because in it is Dhimaam bin Ismaa'eel.
An-Nasaa'i said concerning him : Laa ba'sa bihi (He is not bad)
Al-Haafidh ibn Hajar said concerning him : Sadooq wa rubbama Akhta' (Trustworthy, but May have made some mistakes)
Abi Haatim said : Sadooq Muta'3abbid (Trustworthy and a devout worshipper)
So if someone like him appears in a hadeeth, it does not cause the hadeeth to become weak, but it does cause the hadeeth to have a lower status than Saheeh.
Okay next question!:
وكلُّ ما عَن رُتْبَةِ الحُسْنِ قَصــــــــُر
فهو الضّعِيفُ وهْوَ أَقْسَاماً كُثرْ
This verse is concerning the Dha'eef (weak) hadeeth, So what is the definition of a weak Hadeeth and an example of a weak hadeeth please?
So what is the condition which is lacking in this chain of narration which causes it to fall weak?
Darraj ibn sam3an in this chain of narration is not a rawi whom can be considered a dhabit or an Adil from what have been said about him. Also this is from one of his narrations from Abul Haitham which is known to have weakness in it.
next question:
What is the correct definition of a Marfu3 hadeeth?
Darraj ibn sam3an in this chain of narration is not a rawi whom can be considered a dhabit or an Adil from what have been said about him. Also this is from one of his narrations from Abul Haitham which is known to have weakness in it.
next question:
What is the correct definition of a Marfu3 hadeeth?
barakallah feekum
Linguistically it means elevated/raised. However in terms of hadeeth clarification, it is a narration directly from Prophet (salallahu alayhi wa salam), and the isnad is traced back to him.
1- Qawli. And taht is for the Sahabi to say "Rasulullah peace be upon him said..."
2- Fi'li. For The narrator to say " I saw Rasulullah sallallah alaih wa sallam do such and such"
3- Wasfi. That is when the narrator describes the prophet's looks such as "The was light skinned and in medium height or character,for example"the prophet peace be upon him had the best of character."
4- Taqriri- when the hadeeth comes in the form "such and such was done in the precense of the prophet peace be upon him," and there is no narration that the prophet peace be upon him dissaproved or said anything about it.
next question:
What is the definition of a narration that is Maqtu3.
Also, who is the taabi'3i?
al- Maqtoo ' al- Qawli :the saying of al-Hasan al- Basri regarding salaah behind a mubta'di (a person of bid'ah : innovation): "Pray and upon him is his bid'ah " al- Maqtoo ' al- Fa'li :The saying of Ibraaheem bin Muhammad bin al- Muntashir : "Masrooq used to place a barrier between himself and his family, and then he would begin salaah and leave them to their worldly affairs."
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Since all mustalah terms are the same.
. And then Ibn Hajar said that hadith hasan actually fullfills the condition of hadith sahih except that the precision of one or more of its rawi just lesser standard. It is the same as for sahih but its just below hadith sahih in strength. (Is it correct?)
But its the hadith that harokah hizbut tahrir denied for aqidah ajee laah
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