Insha'allah in this thread we will be revising the book :
Al-Mandhoomatul Bayqooniyyah along with the explanation of it which is At-Ta'leeqaat al-Athariyyah Ala Al-Mandhoomatul Bayqooniyyah.
You can listen to it's explanation by Ibn Uthaimeen rahimahullah here
Al-Hakim gives eight examples of such isnads, each having a different characteristic repeated feature:
use of the phrase sami'tu (I heard);
the expression "stand and pour water for me so that I may illustrate the way my shaikh performed ablution";
haddathana (he narrated to us);
amarani (he commanded me);
holding one's beard;
illustrating by counting on five fingers;
the expression "I testify that ...";
and interlocking the fingers.
al-Hakim, pp. 30-34.
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This is a chance for all of us to learn. Alhamdulillah i've learnt alot since these sisters opened up this thread. May Allah reward them immensely, ameen.
What's the definition of the hadeeth that's 'azeez?
If at any part in the isnad, only two reporters are found to narrate the given hadeeth, then it is defined as 'azeez (rare,strong). An example of an 'azeez hadeeth is the following: Anas reported that the Messenger of Allah (may the peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him) said, "None of you (truly) believes until I become more beloved to him than his father, his son, and all the people."
So why is that hadeeth from "qismul 'azeez" (catergory of al'azeez) ?
In the definition that you gave there Pearly: "If at any part in the isnad, only two reporters are found to narrate the given hadeeth, then it is defined as 'azeez (rare,strong)"
Meanin' that in any place of the sanad that it may occur two people narrate from two, this hadith is then classified as 'azeez (this however has nothin to do with the authenticity of a hadeeth).
You then quoted as an example the hadeeth: "None of you (truly) believes until I become more beloved to him than his father, his son, and all the people."
This hadeeth was narrated by :
-Anas (radiyallaahu 'anhu) and narrated from him were :
-Qataadah & Abdul 'Azeez!
-Narrated from Qataadah were two other taa'bi'ees:
-Shu'bah & Sa'eed.
& Narrated from Abdul Azeez were:
-Isma'eel ibn Haarith Al-'ulayyah & Abdul Waarith
Got that????
see this diagram InshaAllah:
Not much of a diagram expert *& i'm sleeeepppy!!* :blind:
Give the ta'reef (definition) of the Hadeeth Al-Mash'huur.
Wal-Allaah Ma'akum.
Yeah I understood that amirah, jazakallaah khayr your diagram was very good mashallaah, it made sense.
Ok Mash-huur (‘famous’) is a hadeeth which has been narrated by more than two narrators. Some scholars are of the opinion that any hadeeth which later becomes widely known, whether it is authentic or inauthentic is addressed as a mash-huur hadeeth. With a mash-huur hadeeth it may be that only one or perhaps two people report it but later on it becomes widely known unlike the case of ‘azeez hadeeth which remains consistent on the amount of narrators who reported it throughout.
I don’t know if I explained that well or whether I made any sense, correct me where I got wrong please.
Yeah I understood that amirah, jazakallaah khayr your diagram was very good mashallaah, it made sense.
Ok Mash-huur (‘famous’) is a hadeeth which has been narrated by more than two narrators. Some scholars are of the opinion that any hadeeth which later becomes widely known, whether it is authentic or inauthentic is addressed as a mash-huur hadeeth. With a mash-huur hadeeth it may be that only one or perhaps two people report it but later on it becomes widely known unlike the case of ‘azeez hadeeth which remains consistent on the amount of narrators who reported it throughout.
I don’t know if I explained that well or whether I made any sense, correct me where I got wrong please.
Yes you were mostly correct there SilverPearl except you missed out : As long as it does not reach the level of a Mutawaatir Hadeeth.
So the definition would be : That hadeeth which has been narrated by three or more narrators in every level of the Sanad as long as it does not reach the level of a Mutawaatir Hadeeth.
And this is what you call "Mashhuur Istilaahi" (i.e. Mashhuur with the Technical meaning)
Example :
From Ibn Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) That Rasulullah (peace be upon him) said : Verily Allah will not remove the Knowledge from the hearts of the people in one grasp, But He will remove the Knowledge from them with the Death of the Ulama', until there will come a time when there no longer remains an Aalim, and the people will appoint for themselves Ignorant rulers, And they will give out Fatwas without knowledge, and thus they misguide themselves and misguide others "
So in this Hadeeth, There are three or more men narrating from Ibn Umar downwards.
This is Mashhuur Istilaahi
As for the Type of Mashhoor Hadeeth which is popular amongst people, then it is called " Mashhoor Ghayr al-Istilaahi" (i.e. Mashhoor without the technical meaning) And those are the type of hadeeth which are well known amongst the people, whether they are authentic or not, and at times they may be just sayings which are well known to the people without having any Isnaad.
Okay so next Question :
How many types of " Mashhoor Ghayr Istilaahi " are there ?
Al Mu'an'an:
It is the hadeeth in which one the narrators or more use the term "3an" (from). If the narrator is known for tadlees and does not make it clear that he heard the hadeeth, or that it was narrated to him, then the hadeeth is rejected. If the narrator is a person who is trustworthy (thiqah) and reliable(thabt) then the hadeeth is accepted, or if he made it clear that he heard the hadeeth in another narration.
A quick example is the one the author gave : mu'an'anun ka'an sa'eed 'an karam.
Tadlees:Linguistically means hiding the defect of an article being sold. Technically it means hiding the defect of an isnaad and makinf it appear to be sound?
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