Of course its possible. You tell me why it isnt 'logically' possible
Sadly and reluctently, I have to agree it is impossible to refute a non belief.
It is a contradiction in terms. You can refute anything a person believes in a logical manner. But, you can not refute what a person does not believe. There is nothing there to refute. If a person says they do not believe xxxx. You can not prove they do not believe xxx and you can not refute their non-believing xxxx because xxx does not exist for that person. You can not refute what a person does not believe because you can not identify what it is a person does not believe.
We have no way to refute atheism, but we can fight and argue against it by offering proof for what we do believe.
Sadly and reluctently, I have to agree it is impossible to refute a non belief.
It is a contradiction in terms. You can refute anything a person believes in a logical manner. But, you can not refute what a person does not believe. There is nothing there to refute. If a person says they do not believe xxxx. You can not prove they do not believe xxx and you can not refute their non-believing xxxx because xxx does not exist for that person. You can not refute what a person does not believe because you can not identify what it is a person does not believe.
We have no way to refute atheism, but we can fight and argue against it by offering proof for what we do believe.
an atheist mostly believe in big bang and evolution you can refute these things ^^
an atheist mostly believe in big bang and evolution you can refute these things ^^
Mostly, you can of course try and refute them, but your time would be better spent trying to refute the claim that Earth is round and rotates around a star.
Mostly, you can of course try and refute them, but your time would be better spent trying to refute the claim that Earth is round and rotates around a star.
why are you always being upset try to be calm ^^,well what do you mean by saying try to refute that earth is round and rotates around a star can you be clear please.
why are you always being upset try to be calm ^^,well what do you mean by saying try to refute that earth is round and rotates around a star can you be clear please.
Exactly how am I upset ? I find this topic rather entertaining.
And what I meant with the Earth rotating around the Sun thing is that evolution and Big Bang are supported by so much evidence, that you'll have an easier time trying to prove that Earth is flat.
an atheist mostly believe in big bang and evolution you can refute these things ^^
Actually we can not disprove anything. A person can say 2 + 1 = 17 and we can not prove they are wrong. We can prove 2 + 1 = 3 is correct and the acceptable answer. But that does not prove 17 is always the wrong answer as there may be conditions we do not know about that would make it right under such conditions.
For the same reason we can not disprove the big bang or evolution. even if we did it would not prove the existence of Allaah(swt) or refute atheism. Nor would it have any effect on atheists that do not accept the big bang or evolution.
The only way we can refute Atheism is to stop concentrating on trying to prove something is wrong and concentrate on proving Allaah(swt) exists.
The second we present proof of the existence of Allaah(swt) that an atheist accepts, that atheist is no longer an atheist. Proof of truth is the only valid refutation. It is pointless to refute by trying to prove something is wrong.
Exactly how am I upset ? I find this topic rather entertaining.
And what I meant with the Earth rotating around the Sun thing is that evolution and Big Bang are supported by so much evidence, that you'll have an easier time trying to prove that Earth is flat.
well thank you for explaining that you know my english is still weak,its make communication sometimes harder.Well i asked you why are you upset or ungry because of your way dealing with others.However,the earth is flat is something undeniable,but the bigbang and evolution is still something you can deny,and by the way islam tells us that the heavens ant the earth were joined together and also we believe that every things come out of the water.
There is a difference between non-belief and disbelief. Agnostics are non-believers; they are passive. It's impossible to refute the non-believer. However, atheists are not choosing to not believe. Atheists actively affirm that there is no god. That is an active belief, and it can be refuted. My Christian ethics proff and my logic proff would agree!
The second we present proof of the existence of Allaah(swt) that an atheist accepts, that atheist is no longer an atheist. Proof of truth is the only valid refutation. It is pointless to refute by trying to prove something is wrong.
I, personally, would like to champion the cause of being able to refute a belief, but you speak the truth! The existence of God is a greater truth than the non-existence of the big bang.
There is a difference between non-belief and disbelief. Agnostics are non-believers; they are passive. It's impossible to refute the non-believer. However, atheists are not choosing to not believe. Atheists actively affirm that there is no god. That is an active belief, and it can be refuted. My Christian ethics proff and my logic proff would agree!
Good point Candle and you are correct it is an active belief. In theory an active believe can be disputed, but it is a difficult method to use and beyond the ability of most debaters.
we can fight and argue against it by offering proof for what we do believe.
I agree!
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Actually we can not disprove anything. A person can say 2 + 1 = 17 and we can not prove they are wrong. We can prove 2 + 1 = 3 is correct and the acceptable answer. But that does not prove 17 is always the wrong answer as there may be conditions we do not know about that would make it right under such conditions.
Anhan? Under which conditions will 2+1=17 be right?
If I say to an Atheist that take 2 Dollars and 1 Dollar and now give me 17 dollars! Atheist would realize in his heart that it is wrong though its a separate matter that he admits it or not.
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For the same reason we can not disprove the big bang or evolution. even if we did it would not prove the existence of Allaah(swt) or refute atheism. Nor would it have any effect on atheists that do not accept the big bang or evolution.
Having any effect on Atheists is something else as it is only in Allah's hands to give guidance. But if something IS wrong, then why can't we disprove it? Evolution theory is wrong and there are many people who ARE disproving it.
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The only way we can refute Atheism is to stop concentrating on trying to prove something is wrong and concentrate on proving Allaah(swt) exists.
Umm... I don't know. Rightnow it seems right to me. I mean we can change our techniques for Dawah!
Anhan? Under which conditions will 2+1=17 be right?
If I say to an Atheist that take 2 Dollars and 1 Dollar and now give me 17 dollars! Atheist would realize in his heart that it is wrong though its a separate matter that he admits it or not.
Having any effect on Atheists is something else as it is only in Allah's hands to give guidance. But if something IS wrong, then why can't we disprove it? Evolution theory is wrong and there are many people who ARE disproving it.
Umm... I don't know. Rightnow it seems right to me. I mean we can change our techniques for Dawah!
salam sr aneeza, long time ... I hope you are doing allright in Pakistan amidst all the shooting and chaos in Lahore.
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Sadly and reluctantly, I have to agree it is impossible to refute a non belief.
It is a contradiction in terms. You can refute anything a person believes in a logical manner.
Ironically, Atheists do believe in something. Many of them "believe" evolution to be correct. So now as they are "believing" on something, we can prove them wrong.
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But, you can not refute what a person does not believe.
Yeah, this totally makes sense.
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We have no way to refute atheism,...
As I said before, we can refute those things which are actually wrong and Atheists believe them to be true.
atheists have a belief that God does not exist. It is equivalent to having a non-belief in existence of God.
lets not bring evolution into this. Many Muslims believe that evolution is true.
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I yearn for an answer... can you help me?
I'm drowning in a sea of abused visions and shattered dreams
In somnolent illusion... I'm paralyzed
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Many of them "believe" evolution to be correct. So now as they are "believing" on something, we can prove them wrong.
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