UK - "conservatives" plan legalization of homosexual marriages.
Nick Herbert, minister of environment in conservative shadow cabint, said that after they win the elections, one of conservatives' priorities will be legalization of marriages of homosexuals and allowing them to adopt children. The conservative minister said this last week in Washington, during the conference "Is there a place for gays in conservatism and conservative politics". The meeting took place in libertarian Cato Institute.
Brittish conservatives, according to their leader, David Cameron, doctrine, want to gain new electorate, by resignation from conservative attitude and focusing on social matters. They want to achieve also support from homosexuals and lesbians. "The gays are not property of Left nor any party" said Herbert recently.
The representer of brittish conservatives said later in "The Metro News" that acceptance of equality programme from gays and lesbians is important also because of the need to push the politics forward. He also admitted that after the won of elections, the conservative goverment would struggle for legalization of homosexual marriages. It is expected also by some religious communities, for example Quakers who want to celebrate the homoexual weddings.
Herbert also said that the major goal of the state is to protect the individual laws of the citizens and protectng them from harm. Thats why heterosexuals can't be treated in special way. The issue of equality is a priority of modern world and the necessary element of modern conservatism.
The conservative minister praised recently conservative leader David Cameron for modernization of the party.
Herbert is a homosexual, he is in a civl union with other man.
**** the Conservatives and their plans to let two consenting adults to tie the knot!
I dislike the Tories, this is nothing but political bait so that gay couples wanting to get married will unwittingly vote for them. After that, they'll conveniently forget about this, and every other Utopian promise they've made so far before this election, and focus solely on the economy and messing up the social system!
lol.. nice .. thanks for sharing..
you forget that Lut allegedly also slept with his two daughters after they made him drunk.. stellar characters are god's apostles in the good book!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
It is all about consent after all and why should the rest of us care..
''Not harming anybody'' they say! how can they explain then that they brought two kids with disabilities into the world... if thats not harming a life i dont know what is
This is most disgusting. I also heard cases of buggery. Even worse, it does not bear thinking about. I hope this comes about eventually -
Book 38, Number 4448:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.
Book 38, Number 4449:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill it along with him. I (Ikrimah) said: I asked him (Ibn Abbas): What offence can be attributed to the animal/ He replied: I think he (the Prophet) disapproved of its flesh being eaten when such a thing had been done to it.
When islam conquers UK (and the question is only when), I will shed no single tear. At least islamic England would respect divine natural law.
Yes, it is an outrage that a political party does not believe that the rights of a minority should be disregarded or eliminated based on what some people believe that God tells them to do.
And to titus, Amadeus85 believes the whole world should tremble, I mean prosper under divine intervention.
''Not harming anybody'' they say! how can they explain then that they brought two kids with disabilities into the world... if thats not harming a life i dont know what is
they allege their kids are healthy, and technically any two random people coming together run a random risk of having a child with disability .. disease and disabilities never stopped people when all you need is 'consent'.. that is the word I hear often that makes it all OK.. if they don't cringe with homosexuality, they should cringe with incestuous relations .. and frankly with sperm banks and eggs for sale, anyone can potentially marry their brother or sister down the line...
some folks need to define what 'morality and ethics' is outside of religion.. because frankly I am not seeing it!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
People, please, don't jump to incest, what does incest have to do with homosexuality ? When you are homosexual, you have a very limited choice, same sex penchant only, however incest can be easily avoided as you "can love" people from the opposite sex, who why squeezing between siblings ?
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And to titus, Amadeus85 believes the whole world should tremble, I mean prosper under divine intervention.
It's already trembling without divine intervention ---> alcohol related deaths are high, teenage pregnancies, divorces and abortions all way up. Hell, we barely just recovered from a global financial ass whooping that humans created. Oh and we're about to make orangutangs extinct.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
It's already trembling without divine intervention ---> alcohol related deaths are high
What do you mean high? A high (or majority) percentage of alcoholics or casual drinkers die? There is a high majority of deaths from alcohol fueled *drunken) incidents?
, teenage pregnancies, divorces and abortions all way up.
What do you mean with the teenage pregnancy line? That a high (majority) number of teenagers become pregnant?
As for divorces, not only have I seem some statistics that suggest that non-religious couples are slightly less likely to divorce than religious couples - there is nothing inherently immoral or wrong with divorce. Sometimes things don't work out. Insistence from religious groups that your first marriage must be your only one does not equal a more prosperous family unit.
Hell, we barely just recovered from a global financial ass whooping that humans created. Oh and we're about to make orangutangs extinct.
So much for the modern, god-less age huh?
So can you think of a better period of time to live in, sir? (In a First-World nation, I mean). Nevermind the alleged corruption and immorality you may perceive by some or all western nations. Are you saying that there exists a better time and place historically than say, a first world nation now? Life expectancy has never been higher. Medical treatment has never been more proficient. The sufferings of millions averted. Quality of life, has likely never been better despite the clear shortcomings.
What do you mean high? A high (or majority) percentage of alcoholics or casual drinkers die? There is a high majority of deaths from alcohol fueled *drunken) incidents?
High means a lot. NHS received over 800,000 alcohol related admissions in 07-08. Source That's 800,000 too many and will probably rise by end of this year.
What do you mean with the teenage pregnancy line? That a high (majority) number of teenagers become pregnant?
Again, high means a lot. 40,000 plus under-18 conceptions in 07, with 50% of that going for abortions. source That's 40,000 too many.
As for divorces, not only have I seem some statistics that suggest that non-religious couples are slightly less likely to divorce than religious couples - there is nothing inherently immoral or wrong with divorce. Sometimes things don't work out. Insistence from religious groups that your first marriage must be your only one does not equal a more prosperous family unit.
Why doesn't it work out? Alcohol related maybe? Adultery maybe? Gambling maybe? Things don't work out in all kinds of relationships, that don't mean you go to divorce. And if it's bad enough to get a divorce after X amounts of years together, I seriously wonder why they got together in the first place.
So can you think of a better period of time to live in, sir? (In a First-World nation, I mean). Nevermind the alleged corruption and immorality you may perceive by some or all western nations. Are you saying that there exists a better time and place historically than say, a first world nation now? Life expectancy has never been higher. Medical treatment has never been more proficient. The sufferings of millions averted. Quality of life, has likely never been better despite the clear shortcomings.
I don't negate any of the positives of today, but when you consider say the strain drunk fools put the NHS under, it feels like a complete waste of time.
What's the point of having the best health care we've ever had if **** near 1 million people drink their lungs out every week? Oh and did I forget to mention that alcohol kills you?
The problem is related to hedonistic lifestyles and how badly the citizens are acting despite all the progress made in health care. Again, this is occurring in the land where religion is as far removed from state as possible.
So for you to then say the world will tremble under theistic ruling, particularly one that actively prohibits such hedonism from society, is laughable.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
**** the Conservatives and their plans to let two consenting adults to tie the knot!
I dislike the Tories, this is nothing but political bait so that gay couples wanting to get married will unwittingly vote for them. After that, they'll conveniently forget about this, and every other Utopian promise they've made so far before this election, and focus solely on the economy and messing up the social system!
I dunno about that...when they planned making it legal her in Holland it got through didnt it? In the US its legal as well in some states. England could just be next on the list (which I think will grow as time goes by). Its one of the signs of judgement day.
in 2007/08 there were 863,300 alcohol related admissions to hospital. This is an increase of 69 per cent since 2002/03 when there were 510,200 alcohol related admissions
We don't, of course, know how many of those 863 thousand admissions were repeat 'offenders' (I suspect many were). Irrespectively, even if alcohol statistics were any number above 1 you would contend they were too much.
Again, high means a lot. 40,000 plus under-18 conceptions in 07, with 50% of that going for abortions. source That's 40,000 too many.
I was somewhat under the impression that Islam, or at least some Muslims did not have as much of an issue with abortion as Christians do. Irrespectively, I have little problem with people have sexual intercourse for pleasure and deliberately taking steps to avoid pregnancy. There is a problem though indeed with under 18 births.
Why doesn't it work out? Alcohol related maybe? Adultery maybe? Gambling maybe? Things don't work out in all kinds of relationships, that don't mean you go to divorce. And if it's bad enough to get a divorce after X amounts of years together, I seriously wonder why they got together in the first place.
Ultimately, it is none of your or the state's business whether or not people's own personal lives with each other work out or not. You can decree alcoholism, gambling addiction, adultery or all other manners of negative as things that detriment people's relationships with one another (as if it wasn't obvious enough) but it is not the point. I would not become an alcoholic, gamble nor engage in adultery and I would even treat anyone I knew who engaged in it with at least persistent suspicion. I would not however insist that the people engaged in it ought to be deemed criminals and their liberty withdrawn for it.
The mere prohibitation of them by Islam, by the way, is not unique, nor does it necessarily establish a good society.
The problem is related to hedonistic lifestyles and how badly the citizens are acting despite all the progress made in health care. Again, this is occurring in the land where religion is as far removed from state as possible.
So for you to then say the world will tremble under theistic ruling, particularly one that actively prohibits such hedonism from society, is laughable.
Of course I meant 'tremble' as what I expect would be the reaction of a population ruled by dictators (divinely claimed or otherwise) who think they know best for everyone else.
I dunno about that...when they planned making it legal her in Holland it got through didnt it? In the US its legal as well in some states. England could just be next on the list (which I think will grow as time goes by). Its one of the signs of judgement day.
Really ? What makes you say this ? Only Allah knows the judgement day and we have the "big signs" which have not shown up yet
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