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    US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran
    By William Lowther in Washington DC and Colin Freeman, Sunday Telegraph
    Last Updated: 12:30am GMT 25/02/2007



    America is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme.


    In a move that reflects Washington's growing concern with the failure of diplomatic initiatives, CIA officials are understood to be helping opposition militias among the numerous ethnic minority groups clustered in Iran's border regions.

    The operations are controversial because they involve dealing with movements that resort to terrorist methods in pursuit of their grievances against the Iranian regime.

    In the past year there has been a wave of unrest in ethnic minority border areas of Iran, with bombing and assassination campaigns against soldiers and government officials.

    Such incidents have been carried out by the Kurds in the west, the Azeris in the north-west, the Ahwazi Arabs in the south-west, and the Baluchis in the south-east. Non-Persians make up nearly 40 per cent of Iran's 69 million population, with around 16 million Azeris, seven million Kurds, five million Ahwazis and one million Baluchis. Most Baluchis live over the border in Pakistan.

    Funding for their separatist causes comes directly from the CIA's classified budget but is now "no great secret", according to one former high-ranking CIA official in Washington who spoke anonymously to The Sunday Telegraph.

    His claims were backed by Fred Burton, a former US state department counter-terrorism agent, who said: "The latest attacks inside Iran fall in line with US efforts to supply and train Iran's ethnic minorities to destabilise the Iranian regime."

    Although Washington officially denies involvement in such activity, Teheran has long claimed to detect the hand of both America and Britain in attacks by guerrilla groups on its internal security forces. Last Monday, Iran publicly hanged a man, Nasrollah Shanbe Zehi, for his involvement in a bomb attack that killed 11 Revolutionary Guards in the city of Zahedan in Sistan-Baluchistan. An unnamed local official told the semi-official Fars news agency that weapons used in the attack were British and US-made.

    Yesterday, Iranian forces also claimed to have killed 17 rebels described as "mercenary elements" in clashes near the Turkish border, which is a stronghold of the Pejak, a Kurdish militant party linked to Turkey's outlawed PKK Kurdistan Workers' Party.

    John Pike, the head of the influential Global Security think tank in Washington, said: "The activities of the ethnic groups have hotted up over the last two years and it would be a scandal if that was not at least in part the result of CIA activity."

    Such a policy is fraught with risk, however. Many of the groups share little common cause with Washington other than their opposition to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose regime they accuse of stepping up repression of minority rights and culture.

    The Baluchistan-based Brigade of God group, which last year kidnapped and killed eight Iranian soldiers, is a volatile Sunni organisation that many fear could easily turn against Washington after taking its money.

    A row has also broken out in Washington over whether to "unleash" the military wing of the Mujahedeen-e Khalq (MEK), an Iraq-based Iranian opposition group with a long and bloody history of armed opposition to the Iranian regime.

    The group is currently listed by the US state department as terrorist organisation, but Mr Pike said: "A faction in the Defence Department wants to unleash them. They could never overthrow the current Iranian regime but they might cause a lot of damage."

    At present, none of the opposition groups are much more than irritants to Teheran, but US analysts believe that they could become emboldened if the regime was attacked by America or Israel. Such a prospect began to look more likely last week, as the UN Security Council deadline passed for Iran to stop its uranium enrichment programme, and a second American aircraft carrier joined the build up of US naval power off Iran's southern coastal waters.

    The US has also moved six heavy bombers from a British base on the Pacific island of Diego Garcia to the Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, which could allow them to carry out strikes on Iran without seeking permission from Downing Street.

    While Tony Blair reiterated last week that Britain still wanted a diplomatic solution to the crisis, US Vice-President Dick Cheney yesterday insisted that military force was a real possibility.

    "It would be a serious mistake if a nation like Iran were to become a nuclear power," Mr Cheney warned during a visit to Australia. "All options are still on the table."

    The five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany will meet in London tomorrow to discuss further punitive measures against Iran. Sanctions barring the transfer of nuclear technology and know-how were imposed in December. Additional penalties might include a travel ban on senior Iranian officials and restrictions on non-nuclear business.

    Additional reporting by Gethin Chamberlain.

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    oh well as usual the US government shows itself to be hypocrites.
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari View Post
    US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran


    "You're either with us or with the terrorists!" [Emperor Bush]

    Conveniently, we now choose to be with the terrorists. What utter hyprocrisy!
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Zman View Post


    "You're either with us or with the terrorists!" [Emperor Bush]

    Conveniently, we now choose to be with the terrorists. What utter hyprocrisy!
    Ahem. They're not terrorists because they're on the Americans' sides. There was a time when Saddam Hussein was a staunch US ally in the War on Ayatollah-based Fundamentalism, and when the Taleban were US allies in the war on Soviet invaders.
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    Iran funds terrorists groups against the US. Iran has been conducting an informal war against the US since day one. It would be total stupidity for the US not to do the same.
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    Iran funds terrorists groups against the US. Iran has been conducting an informal war against the US since day one. It would be total stupidity for the US not to do the same.
    hey if the US wants to support al-qaeda linked groups against iran, go ahead, just dont complain about iran helping hamas, hezbollah and others, because that would just be double standards.

    and iran are much smarter than us, because iran funds groups who will not eventually turn around and attack them as the us does! at least if the us wanted to fund millitans they could fund ones who wont become their enemies in 20 years, such as saddam, and bin laden! sheeshhhhhhhhh louise!
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    Iran funds terrorists groups against the US. Iran has been conducting an informal war against the US since day one. It would be total stupidity for the US not to do the same.
    and also correction, iran has NEVER funded a group that attacked american soil, US on the other hand funds attacks on iranian soil, imagine iran did that, imagine the reaction of your people. therefore iran is very within its legal rights to attack the soil of the usa through a third party as usa has done against iran. you and your ppl cannot complain to that.

    infact you started the war against iran in the 50's, with operation ajax, you overthrow a legitimate iranian regime who was backed by the ppl, the USA overthrow him, and installed the shah, so quite frankly iran is very within its rights to attack the USA as you have done it against them time and time again. you began the war against iran, not the other way.
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari View Post
    and also correction, iran has NEVER funded a group that attacked american soil, US on the other hand funds attacks on iranian soil, imagine iran did that, imagine the reaction of your people. therefore iran is very within its legal rights to attack the soil of the usa through a third party as usa has done against iran. you and your ppl cannot complain to that.

    infact you started the war against iran in the 50's, with operation ajax, you overthrow a legitimate iranian regime who was backed by the ppl, the USA overthrow him, and installed the shah, so quite frankly iran is very within its rights to attack the USA as you have done it against them time and time again. you began the war against iran, not the other way.
    Of course, America is the great evil. Iran has been pushing for war singe it started. Maybe some day it will get it's wish.
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    Of course, America is the great evil. Iran has been pushing for war singe it started. Maybe some day it will get it's wish.
    hey facts are facts, the first nation to open hostilities was the usa in operation ajax, do you deny this? i mean its like denying the sun exists! everyone knows about operation ajax, so plz man take responsibility that you began the war against iran, so hence dont complain of what comes with it, you started this mess up hence you take responsibility for it.
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hashim View Post


    Let the Americans play their game, the snake always gets caught and when the snake is dangerous to others the snake is taken care of.

    Their unconditional support for the illegal state of 'Isreal', their relentless war on Islaam and their devestating interference in the affairs of matters which do not concern will lead to their downfall.

    Or maybe unconditional hatred of Israel will bring down Iran.
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hashim View Post


    Funny how you people say Iran is 'pushing' for war yet America is the one who is actually initiating war's in Iraq and Afganistan etc. Funny how you people harp on about Iran planning to get nukes whilst America already has tons of nukes and the only ones to use them.

    Funny how I used the term funny when this is actually enfuriating, anyways, at least know you know why gud'ol US of A is the most hated nation on gods green earth!

    It is truly funny. We may all die laughing.
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    It is truly funny. We may all die laughing.
    hey willber plz stop running away from what i said, which is that you began this war against iran with operation ajax, comment on this instead of going quiet because this point of history debunks every claim you want to make on who began the war and who the good and bad buys are.

    it seems your shy of this fact, that you began war against iran in operation ajax, plz dont act like it didnt happen, because operation ajax has led to all this, you placed the shah whom ppl greatly disliked, hence the Islamic party became the victors through wide public support, and out of this led to their large animosity towards USA due to the strong backing of the shah and your placing the shah in power over a very popular leader. every action has a reaction, and your violent provoking act against a legitimate iranian goverment causes a very angry reaction.
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by Encolpius View Post
    Ahem. They're not terrorists because they're on the Americans' sides.

    LOOOL...Like I said, utter hypocrisy.

    There was a time when Saddam Hussein was a staunch US ally in the War on Ayatollah-based Fundamentalism,
    A lot of good his "satunch US ally" status did him. Too bad we didn't remember his past service to us, when we captured him, treated him like a dog, then allowed him to be executed on our watch.
    and when the Taleban were US allies in the war on Soviet invaders.

    Yes. I used to see the Journalists proudly call the Afghans: Mujahideen, on the nightly news. Now, the same Journalists and "experts on Islam, easily switched it to: terrorists.

    They are no more than "media prostitutes."

    There is way too much hypocrisy in our foreign policy. We deal with terrorists and dictators like there is no toworrow, then turn around and act like we're the only righteous people around.

    Much of our actions abroad is considered terrorism...
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari View Post
    hey willber plz stop running away from what i said, which is that you began this war against iran with operation ajax, comment on this instead of going quiet because this point of history debunks every claim you want to make on who began the war and who the good and bad buys are.

    it seems your shy of this fact, that you began war against iran in operation ajax, plz dont act like it didnt happen, because operation ajax has led to all this, you placed the shah whom ppl greatly disliked, hence the Islamic party became the victors through wide public support, and out of this led to their large animosity towards USA due to the strong backing of the shah and your placing the shah in power over a very popular leader. every action has a reaction, and your violent provoking act against a legitimate iranian goverment causes a very angry reaction.
    So the US started the war? I guess you are to young or have never bothered to read about them taking US diplomats hostage for over a year.
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    So the US started the war? I guess you are to young or have never bothered to read about them taking US diplomats hostage for over a year.

    Well, if we're gonna go way back. Let's go all the way back to the catalyst that started all this hatrered:

    Our (with the help of the Brits) overthrow of the democratically elected Mossadeq government of Iran, and the ushering in of our proxy-psychopath, the Shah, who created the dreaded Gestapo-like, SAVAK, secret police...
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    If you want to go "way back", why don't we go back to when Muslims conquered the area?
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    If you want to go "way back", why don't we go back to when Muslims conquered the area?

    That's illogical.

    The point is the friction between Islamic Iran and certain Western Christian nations.

    The point isn't Muslims entering Iran, 1400 years ago. It's the current Western meddling in Iranian affairs.

    No one can forecast what would have transpired if Persia remained outside Islams realm.

    We are talking about modern Iranian-Western "relationship."

    Therefore, your point is irrelevant...
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Zman View Post

    That's illogical.

    The point is the friction between Islamic Iran and certain Western Christian nations.

    The point isn't Muslims entering Iran, 1400 years ago. It's the current Western meddling in Iranian affairs.

    No one can forecast what would have transpired if Persia remained outside Islams realm.

    We are talking about modern Iranian-Western "relationship."

    Therefore, your point is irrelevant...
    No your point is irrelevant. Because I say so. Da.

    So we are back to square one.
    On day one the "Islamic Iran" declared a cold war against the "Western Christian nations". So the "Western Christian nations" protect themselves in a cold war against "Islamic Iran".
    I, and most of the world think "Islamic Iran" will build nuks and the war will no longer be cold. It seams obvious to me that will make most of the Islamic world happy.
    As Kennedy said "The taste of victory will be ashes in the mouth".
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    So the US started the war? I guess you are to young or have never bothered to read about them taking US diplomats hostage for over a year.
    the hostage incident occured AFTER operation ajax, not before, again you openeed hostilities first.
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    If you want to go "way back", why don't we go back to when Muslims conquered the area?
    erm that has NOTHING to do with usa, lol how pathetic you change topics now! lets deal with the LATEST problem between iran and usa, which was all started due to operation ajax. show me ANY historical source showing muslims from iran EVER attacking usa, go on, YOU WILL NEVER DO IT, the first one to open hostilities was usa during operation ajax, so even if you want to go back 1400 years ago history will still show operation ajax began the hostilities between iran and usa, so your latest bogus argument still backfires, because there has never been any attack by the muslims from iran after muslims conquered it! so see? you still lose.

    so again, why did your country start hostilities with iran from operation ajax, you keep dancing around and blabbering to avoid this issue, and everytime you blabber you end back AT OPERATION AJAX. so plz adress it, were all waiting.
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    Re: U.S. funding millitant groups against Iran

    and willy boy lets further expose your ignorance, lets assume Islam never came to iran, lol you assume that the persian empire particularly the zorostrians were friendly with the west!!!!!! UMMMMMMMM think again, because history shows the persian empire was always in open warfare and hostilities with the byzantine empire who were essentially the romans! the persians who were from the east despised the west at the time, and didnt even like the religion and vice versa! so that point is very very mute, as usual.
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