Every world religion is hypocritical and false.

[SlipknotGag79]

Allaah tells us in the Qur'aan that only Muslims will enter Jannah

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Hahahahaha

So let me guess.. Allah creates humans in the first place and sends to hell those who have never heard of the existence of Allah ?
Is this admitting he wishes to punish those who do not submit to him ? Even if they are unaware of his existence ?
Why did he create them in the first place then ? To gain pleasure from their misery ?
Does that make Allah a favoritist ? a sadistic Creator ? a madosachist ?
Why would he feel the need to test his creations in the first place ? He is omnipotent so he must know the outcome already. If he created the universe why did he not create a utopia ? Surely he wants all those who oppose him to suffer on Earth and burn in hell.
The afterlife is limited to those born to parents of Muslim faith ?

I could think of a lot more when I have time

['Abd al-Baari]

Hey,

Welcome.

You've just posted these in sections which require approval, but they've been deleted. Please do not spam all the boards with them.

Although we (the forum) allow you to share your thoughts and opinions, we request that you do in a good manner, and follow some ettiquettes and show some respect. Attacks on Islam will not be tolerated.

Many Thanks,

Abdul Baari

[M..x]

Your a Muslim..? Funny that..

[TrueStranger]

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Hahahahaha

So let me guess.. Allah creates humans in the first place and sends to hell those who have never heard of the existence of Allah ?
Is this admitting he wishes to punish those who do not submit to him ? Even if they are unaware of his existence ?
Why did he create them in the first place then ? To gain pleasure from their misery ?
Does that make Allah a favoritist ? a sadistic Creator ? a madosachist ?
Why would he feel the need to test his creations in the first place ? He is omnipotent so he must know the outcome already. If he created the universe why did he not create a utopia ? Surely he wants all those who oppose him to suffer on Earth and burn in hell.
The afterlife is limited to those born to parents of Muslim faith ?

I could think of a lot more when I have time

Question your own actions and deeds before you try to question Allah.

[Fishman]

God is completely absolute, perfect. The fact that punishment is not absolute is mercy in itself.

Suffering in this world doesn't matter, its just a test of one's strength of faith and character.

[SlipknotGag79]

Although we (the forum) allow you to share your thoughts and opinions, we request that you do in a good manner, and follow some ettiquettes and show some respect. Attacks on Islam will not be tolerated.

Ok. I won't spam and I won't attack anyone.

Just a couple things i've noticed:

-Allah is omnipotent
-Allah declares than only Muslims may enter Jannah
-Allah created humanity
-The religion of Islam has not existed since the beginning of humanity
-Allah is omnipotent thus he surely realizes this and knowingly lets millions of creatures burn in Hell
-Thus the conclusion = Allah is sadistic

The next question is, why does Allah like Muslims more than others ?
He could have created a world only filled with Muslims constantly praising him if he wanted to. But if he couldn't he is not omnipotent. If he is not omnipotent then he could not have created an immense universe.

[Na7lah]

The next question is, why does Allah like Muslims more than others ?

if u created 2 robots and one obeyed u and the other disobeyed u wich one would u favor? plz answer that

[SlipknotGag79]

Funny how I get rated negatively for using logic, knowledge and reason to disprove passages from the Koran.

if u created 2 robots and one obeyed u and the other disobeyed u wich one would u favor? plz answer that

If he has the power to create robots why would he create one that disobeyed ? Why wouldn't he just create one perfect robot and be done with it ? Does he enjoy seeing the imperfection of his creations ? Does he enjoy the misery and suffering he has induced in those that he does not deem worthy ? Answer that.

[Nájlá]

"Verily those who believe, those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures), the Christians and the Sabians any who believe In Allah and the last day, and work righteousness *hall have their reward with their Lord;They will not be overcome by fear nor grief (Soorah Al-Baqarah 2:62).

Q: Are non-Muslims condemned to Hell even if they did good and seem to have been genuinely pious.

A: Allah Most High tells us in the Qur'an,
"Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam will never have it accepted from him, and shall be of those who have truly failed in the next life." (Qur'an 3:85)

This is conditioned by His words, "We do not punish until We send a Messenger." (Qur'an 17:15)

Shaykh Adib Kallas, a leading Damascene scholar and theologian, put it very well: "We know that those who reject faith (man aba) are in Hell. It is not decisively established what exactly entails rejection of faith -- this is why the scholars of Sunni Islam differed. As for the details, we should concern ourselves with our own fate: Allah will ask us about ourselves, not about what He should do with others."

Ultimately, if (a) the message of Islam reached someone; and (b) they rejected it, then the verses and hadiths about being eternally in Hell would apply. At the level of individuals, it is a major question as to what reaching and rejecting entail. This is why we cannot judge whether individual non-Muslims are in Hell -- or, for that matter, in Heaven.

[Tornado]

Ok. I won't spam and I won't attack anyone.

Just a couple things i've noticed:

-Allah is omnipotent
-Allah declares than only Muslims may enter Jannah
-Allah created humanity
-The religion of Islam has not existed since the beginning of humanity
-Allah is omnipotent thus he surely realizes this and knowingly lets millions of creatures burn in Hell
-Thus the conclusion = Allah is sadistic

The next question is, why does Allah like Muslims more than others ?
He could have created a world only filled with Muslims constantly praising him if he wanted to. But if he couldn't he is not omnipotent. If he is not omnipotent then he could not have created an immense universe.

You know the answers to all these questions. I don't think this is the best strategy of putting it all out there almost as if to insult. A lot of these questions are more or less being discussed and have their own threads so you can get answers there.

[Na7lah]

If he has the power to create robots why would he create one that disobeyed ? Why wouldn't he just create one perfect robot and be done with it ? Does he enjoy seeing the imperfection of his creations ? Does he enjoy the misery and suffering he has induced in those that he does not deem worthy ? Answer that.

u didnt answer mine

[Mr. Baldy]

Ok. I won't spam and I won't attack anyone.

Just a couple things i've noticed:

-Allah is omnipotent
-Allah declares than only Muslims may enter Jannah
-Allah created humanity
-The religion of Islam has not existed since the beginning of humanity
-Allah is omnipotent thus he surely realizes this and knowingly lets millions of creatures burn in Hell
-Thus the conclusion = Allah is sadistic

The next question is, why does Allah like Muslims more than others ?
He could have created a world only filled with Muslims constantly praising him if he wanted to. But if he couldn't he is not omnipotent. If he is not omnipotent then he could not have created an immense universe.

your logic is... well, non existent.

Islam has existed since the beginning of humanity, just in less evolved forms than that which we see today.

your other question, 'what will happen to those who haven't heard of Islam' my understanding (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) is that if in the very rare case that no one has heard of Islam, then on the day of judgment he will test them separately. He will also question YOU for not spreading the deen, since it is ALL muslim's duty, nay fardh to give Dawah (invitation) to Islam.

I suggest you do your research before you start posting ludacris insults about the most high and the deen.

[Fishman]

Ok. I won't spam and I won't attack anyone.

Just a couple things i've noticed:

-Allah is omnipotent
Correct.

-Allah declares than only Muslims may enter Jannah
Correct.

-Allah created humanity
Correct.

-The religion of Islam has not existed since the beginning of humanity
No idea what you mean. God's Commands and Laws have existed since the first man, and even before that.

-Allah is omnipotent thus he surely realizes this and knowingly lets millions of creatures burn in Hell
You miss out the fact that humans have free will. God knows everything that we do, but lets us choose our path.

The next question is, why does Allah like Muslims more than others ?
If you disrespect something, the more important that thing is, the worse the consqences that you deserve.
Allah is Absolute, the Greatest, infinitely great in fact. If consequences scale with importance of the disrespected thing, then any disrespect deserves infinitely bad consequences. Even the slightest sinner would deserve the bottom of Hell, but Allah is also Most Merciful.

He could have created a world only filled with Muslims constantly praising him if he wanted to. But if he couldn't he is not omnipotent. If he is not omnipotent then he could not have created an immense universe.
Allah could have created everybody like Angels, but He didn't will that to happen. That we we choose to worship out of our own free will shows our devotion.

[Tornado]

u didnt answer mine

He/she did I think.

[SlipknotGag79]

u didnt answer mine

Ok. I'd pick the robot that obeyed me. But why would he create a malfunctioning robot in the first place ? He is perfect isn't he ? Why would he put humans on Earth to test them if he already knows the results ? Why not send them directly to heaven ? Do they need the experience of an earthly life time ? But if Allah is perfect then surely he could bestow upon them all the knowledge they need without having to visit Earth, couldn't he ?

You know the answers to all these questions. I don't think this is the best strategy of putting it all out there almost as if to insult. A lot of these questions are more or less being discussed and have their own threads so you can get answers there.

I wouldn't call it an insult. I get kicks out of proving flaws in people's theories though.

"Verily those who believe, those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures), the Christians and the Sabians any who believe In Allah and the last day, and work righteousness *hall have their reward with their Lord;They will not be overcome by fear nor grief (Soorah Al-Baqarah 2:62).

Fair enough. But why would he create Athiests or Agnostics in the first place then ? He surely knows they are destined for Hell

[Tornado]

I wouldn't call it an insult. I get kicks out of proving flaws in people's theories though.

You're not proving these flaws to them. You have to realize religion is a very, very powerful thing.

['Abd al-Baari]

Ok. I'd pick the robot that obeyed me. But why would he create a malfunctioning robot in the first place ? He is perfect isn't he ? Why would he put humans on Earth to test them if he already knows the results ? Why not send them directly to heaven ? Do they need the experience of an earthly life time ? But if Allah is perfect then surely he could bestow upon them all the knowledge they need without having to visit Earth, couldn't he ?

Okay, hope this makes it a clear. Allah is perfect, because he is creatorless. Allah has no creator and has and will existed for eternity. No human is perfect, because we have been created. i.e being created is the first thing which makes us imperfect.

Allah Knows Best.

There's a thread somehere which explains this, i'll try and find it.

[Fishman]

Ok. I'd pick the robot that obeyed me. But why would he create a malfunctioning robot in the first place ? He is perfect isn't he ? Why would he put humans on Earth to test them if he already knows the results ? Why not send them directly to heaven ? Do they need the experience of an earthly life time ? But if Allah is perfect then surely he could bestow upon them all the knowledge they need without having to visit Earth, couldn't he ?
Humans have free will.



I wouldn't call it an insult. I get kicks out of proving flaws in people's theories though.
Enjoying arguing is a character flaw, trust me.



Fair enough. But why would he create Athiests or Agnostics in the first place then ? He surely knows they are destined for Hell
Allah knows we are destined for Hell, but we have free will.

Threechars

[Abdul Fattah]

Hi Slipknotgag, psychology 101 here.

Posibility 1:
You are angered, vengeful against Islam, and came here to loose steam, you'll end up banned after a while, and at worst just might have annoyed a handful of people.

Posibility 2:
You are bored and here to get some laughs. You'll end up banned in a while, and at worst just might have annoyed a handful of people.

Posibility 3:
You are genuinly trying to convince us that we are wrong. But in your arrogance and enthusiasm don't think you should actually try to make a case. People will get frustrated with your petty attempts and incoherency. Your lack of logically build arguments is mistaken for an attack, and you'll end up banned in a while accomplishing nothing, except learning that you took on your little project in all the wrong ways.

Whichever possibility is right, I care little to be honest. We allow freedom of speech, there is a sub forum called comparative religion where you can raise any questions you can think of, and have any sort of debate you want. However you'll be expected to post in the proper section, and have some courtesy. No baseless attacks and slander. Starting a post with "hahaha" is usually not the right way, and not the kind of first impression you'd want to make, if you expect people to take you serious. Anyway, that being said, your questions result from not knowing Islam. How can you judge something that you don't even know?

[SlipknotGag79]

Allah knows we are destined for Hell, but we have free will.

So he gives us free will to judge and think about religion but sends us to hell if we choose to disobey him ? Then he is surely a sadistic ruler. Not all humans have been exposed to Islam in their lifetimes, which means he is letting innocent creatures suffer.

You're not proving these flaws to them. You have to realize religion is a very, very powerful thing.

I agree. I could go on a Christian forum and they'd just quote passages from the Bible to try and disprove me. The work of man is being put on a pedestal as the word of God.
It's like trying to convince an 8 year old using logic and reasoning that Santa Claus is not real. Except 8 year olds don't quote passages from a Holy Christmas book.

Okay, hope this makes it a clear. Allah is perfect, because he is creatorless. Allah has no creator and has and will existed for eternity. No human is perfect, because we have been created. i.e being created is the first thing which makes us imperfect.

Alright he created all of us and we are imperfect. But if you're a clothing designer and you make a sweater that's ugly, are you a perfect clothing designer ?