Ok here goes the other day i actually wanted to post this thread but then got side tracked i kind of need help to clarify something,
ok since i am from a persian background i many muslim persians have this thing that they call nasr, well thats the name they give it i dont know it if that is an arabic name or the persian name for it.
it mostly to do with women, now this is what happens a certain number of women have to be present all women no men allowed, they cook certain things, based on a saint i believe and they invite women to come round and its just like inviting them for dinner, but the reason for all this is that they believe that when a person that throws such a gahering each and every woman there present makes a dua, and this dua is sure to be answered Allah willing, now its not a sacrifice that they make for any saints nor do they invoke any saints or anyone, but simply make dua to Allah swt, then whoever attends this nasr and their dua is answered in return they have to do the same and arrange a nasr and it just keeps on going.
has anyone any idea what this is and if it is a form of shirk or bidah are there any hadiths supporting this? cos i have not found any in the Quran whatsoever. and are there any other cultures that do such things?
"The Sofreh-nazr is a religious tradition among Iranian Shia women and brings the ladies attending a sense of comfort, togetherness and sharing. Only women attend these ceremonies which some believe is a ritual left to us from our Zoroastrian ancestors. ." http://www.payvand.com/news/06/oct/1283.html
I guess it does seem like a cultural practice which people have tried to introduce into the deen. Allaahu a'lam, maybe someone could shed some light on this...
Last edited by Al-Hanbali; 07-26-2008 at 05:03 PM.
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Ibn Abī Mulaykah said: "I encountered thirty Companions of the Prophet, every one of them fearing hypocrisy for himself." [Muslim]
"The Sofreh-nazr is a religious tradition among Iranian Shia women and brings the ladies attending a sense of comfort, togetherness and sharing. Only women attend these ceremonies which some believe is a ritual left to us from our Zoroastrian ancestors. ." http://www.payvand.com/news/06/oct/1283.html
I guess it does seem like a cultural practice which people have tried to introduce into the deen. Allaahu a'lam, maybe someone could shed some light on this...
shia????
but we're not shia i mean my family background are not i'm neither since i dont believe in sects, but is this a form of bidah?
shia????
but we're not shia i mean my family background are not i'm neither since i dont believe in sects, but is this a form of bidah?
Yes sister this is Bidah since its related to deen and those women do it in a form of a religous gathering then its Bidah with no doubt..
To Do something aiming to worship Allah with it, you must have an evidence from Quran and authorized sunnah with the understanding of the companions...otherwise it is bidah...
Atheists this is you situation now:
the Unbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the ancients." (25) Others they keep away from it and themselves they keep away; but they only destroy their own souls and they perceive it not. (26)(Translation of surat Al'anam)
if you have nothing productive or nice to say then ts best to say nothing,
no eed for the language used yes, it dos sound like a cultural rather than an islamic thing, but you will be surprised unfortunately how many muslim sisters in particular since it is a thing dne by women only hold strong believe to it.
so as to saying to them that its whatever you branded as in your unkind words is really not appropriate, explaining and enlightening people must be done in a kind loving and intellectual manner, yes it may seem a whole load of rubbish but to these people its not, the purpose for this thread was for me to clarify with other muslims and then tr to make some people that i know in my family understand that it is a form of bidah, since i find it useless and totally wrong to open my mouth and speak of something i have no knowledge of or claim that something is haram when in fact its halal.
since i find it useless and totally wrong to open my mouth and speak of something i have no knowledge of or claim that something is haram when in fact its halal.
the translation of the meaning:
And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not) that of which you have no knowledge. Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those one will be questioned (by Allâh).
Atheists this is you situation now:
the Unbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the ancients." (25) Others they keep away from it and themselves they keep away; but they only destroy their own souls and they perceive it not. (26)(Translation of surat Al'anam)
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